aRealMan Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 "By white knighting I mean: Showering a girl with compliments (often undeserved). Defending a girl even when she's in the wrong. Putting the p**** on a pedestal. etc etc I've read a lot of posts on here that fall into this category. Remember this: She is not going to sleep with you if you white knight her. It will just give her a false sense of importance." I've noticed this here as well. Some guys will blatantly ignore posts that females make, which usually include: 1) false-entitlements 2) male critiquing 3) switching between modern and old-fashioned views only when it benefits the female 4) attacking a guy's manhood to cover up for female insecurity: IE: 4)a) Real men pay for dinners -- which means "I'm a broke freeloader" 4)b) Real men catch on to hints and confidently make straight forward advances -- which means "I have no confidence of my own, so throwing hints allows me to take the cowards way out of avoiding rejection" 4)c) "A REAL man ______(something that benefits women)____ Even in that "women don't like nice guys" thread, the OP dedicates it to bashing men who aren't "confident and manly" , only to later "my issues are my shyness". Kind of ironic, huh? And I've noticed on these boards, only two types of of messages usually get "likes": Something truly moving or pro-female comments (which usually devolves into girls "liking" each other and turning each other on with pro-female posts). 3
Author aRealMan Posted July 10, 2012 Author Posted July 10, 2012 I got it from here: Why do so many guys think white knighting works? - The Student Room It seems like male-bashing and white knighting is accepted, but should you just as brutally honest with the opposite gender, you'll be spammed with all sorts of stigmas.
brahmabull117 Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Honest reality of the situation is that women love white knights who are good looking and confident and they can't stand white knights who are ugly/insecure I don't feel like I'm a white knight though. I've never once said I agree with the nonsensical view that some women have where they feel entitled to benefits of 1950 and 2012. I only want to interact with those who have a more logical mindset about things nowadays and there are plenty of those I just ignore the ones who are idiots
Algermas Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Because they were raised by single mothers or weak men who were themselves raised by feminist mothers and a general social climate condusive to raising sissies. 1
WonderKid Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 It's not just on LS. It's on Facebook and many other social sites I've been on. It's pathetic to me IMO. If I throw out a comment then it is well deserved--but I don't do it to get points with the girl. I know this App called Meetme. And it cracks me up everyday. All just for the attention. And guys will come under commenting despite not realizing what the girl just said. The guys on there White Knight soo bad its hilarious. 1
ThaWholigan Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 White knights are funny . Usually their hearts are in the right place so you can't fault them too much. My problem with the term is that it gets pasted onto any man who is remotely nice to a woman on the internet for whatever reason, even if he's not a white knight. That's wrong in my opinion. It's often not about "impressing women on an anonymous forum". It's usually either common courtesy, aligned viewpoints or simply being open-minded enough to entertain and embrace the viewpoints of some women. So guys who aren't even white knights get lumped in with the actual white knights. 2
irin Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 really? so i have no chance of finding a brown one? dammit heres me looking for the wrong colour to rescue me.
WonderKid Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 White knights are funny . Usually their hearts are in the right place so you can't fault them too much. My problem with the term is that it gets pasted onto any man who is remotely nice to a woman on the internet for whatever reason, even if he's not a white knight. That's wrong in my opinion. It's often not about "impressing women on an anonymous forum". It's usually either common courtesy, aligned viewpoints or simply being open-minded enough to entertain and embrace the viewpoints of some women. So guys who aren't even white knights get lumped in with the actual white knights. I never saw it that way it does make sense I think it can be misunderstood at times.
Author aRealMan Posted July 10, 2012 Author Posted July 10, 2012 White knights are funny . Usually their hearts are in the right place so you can't fault them too much. My problem with the term is that it gets pasted onto any man who is remotely nice to a woman on the internet for whatever reason, even if he's not a white knight. That's wrong in my opinion. It's often not about "impressing women on an anonymous forum". It's usually either common courtesy, aligned viewpoints or simply being open-minded enough to entertain and embrace the viewpoints of some women. So guys who aren't even white knights get lumped in with the actual white knights. Yeah, I just find it odd how it only goes in one direction. "A good man ____(inserts some nonsense to make up for her short-comings)__" While white knights are almost obsessed with drowning someone in "often undeserved compliments" and usually bashing his own gender for not putting them on a pedestal. It has me wondering... "what have they even done to be placed on a pedestal"? It's like men have to earn respect from other men, but females get free handouts just for having a hole.
Feelsgoodman Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Two words: social conditioning. Have you read the book Brave New World? It's basic premise is that people in the future are sleep-conditioned to accept certain ideas and beliefs as unquestionable truths. To accomplish this, they are exposed to repetitive, subliminal messages played to them while they sleep over the period of many years. The same thing is happening in our society. Except instead of sleep conditioning, we rely on popular media and the so-called education system to brainwash people into accepting certain things as unassailable truths. Putting women on a pedestal is one of them.
TaurusTerp Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Kid, you called me a white knight because I said some guy made no sense. You just apply the term white knight to anyone and everyone. If you go look through my posts I doubt I'd qualify. You remind me of 20 year olds who insist on "siding with their bros" and "bros before hos". No, I just disagree with people who are idiots.
Author aRealMan Posted July 10, 2012 Author Posted July 10, 2012 most guys aren't white knights. most pussy virgins too scred to talk to girls are. Didn't you just make a thread about bashing "nice guys"? We already had one in case you didn't see it. There's so many male femnazis on this forum, it's not even funny. Because women really are better Another white knight -- too bad they never really brought anything of their own to the world. Kid, you called me a white knight because I said some guy made no sense. You just apply the term white knight to anyone and everyone. If you go look through my posts I doubt I'd qualify. You remind me of 20 year olds who insist on "siding with their bros" and "bros before hos". No, I just disagree with people who are idiots. "Kid".... here we go again. There were other people in that topic that said you made no sense. All you did was spread feminist propaganda with that "we still live in a female repressing society" bullsh*t. Pull your head out of their asses and come up for air.
zengirl Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 "By white knighting I mean: 1. Showering a girl with compliments (often undeserved). 2. Defending a girl even when she's in the wrong. 3. Putting the p**** on a pedestal. I'm going to assign numbers to these, for reference. Guys do #1 if they're a secret-jerk because they think they'll get something out of it (laid, a date, whatever). Guys do #1 if they're an actual good guy when they sincerely mean the compliment. Guys do #2 if they're a secret-jerk because they think they'll get something out of it (laid, a date, whatever). Guys do #2 if they're an actual good guy when they sincerely agree with the gal OR are very loyal and very close to that gal (I'll stand up for people I'm loyal to, in public, even if they're wrong, to some degree, if they're not hurting anyone - though I may tell them they're wrong in private; different people have different ideas of loyalty though). Guys do #3 if they're a secret-jerk because they think they'll get something out of it (laid, a date, whatever). I can't think of any good-guy reason for this one, unless "putting on a pedestal" is the same thing as giving someone basic respect and kindness. I don't know what a White Knight is. Is it any guy who's acting with respect to women? Is it a secret-jerk (basically those are the self-proclaimed "nice guys" who are hardly nice!)? What? Because the two are very different, but plenty of people really mean the compliments they give and defend people because they're close to them and/or they agree with their viewpoint. The last one is not a real behavior, but a mindset, which is a crass way of putting the secret-jerk mindset, sure. They fall all over themselves to get some play and don't get any. But they aren't really being sincere or nice or a good person or a nice person. They're being an ******* - because any niceness done to get something is absolutely worthless. At any rate, I've yet to see a bunch of guys agree with some girls because they think they'll get some play on LS. Generally the men here seem to say what they think, whatever that happens to be.
TaurusTerp Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 "Kid".... here we go again. There were other people in that topic that said you made no sense. All you did was spread feminist propaganda with that "we still live in a female repressing society" bullsh*t. Pull your head out of their asses and come up for air. ? That wasn't me. That was the guy I was saying made no sense.
fishtaco Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 I don't know what a White Knight is. Is it any guy who's acting with respect to women? Is it a secret-jerk (basically those are the self-proclaimed "nice guys" who are hardly nice!)? What? Because the two are very different, but plenty of people really mean the compliments they give and defend people because they're close to them and/or they agree with their viewpoint. Being a white knight is the belief that if you come to the defense of a woman or rescue her out of a situation, then she's obligated to repay you with her vagina. I don't think it's a good guy/secret jerk thing. It's a stupid noob thing. White knight = noob. Don't be a noob. 1
zengirl Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Being a white knight is the belief that if you come to the defense of a woman or rescue her out of a situation, then she's obligated to repay you with her vagina. I don't think it's a good guy/secret jerk thing. It's a stupid noob thing. White knight = noob. Don't be a noob. Sounds like a secret jerk to me when you describe it that way! That's what they're called in Zengirl-land at least. ETA: I'm curious, fish. Do you see a lot of guys doing this on LS to curry female favor? I really can't think of any LT posters that do this (I don't know or remember everyone who makes every single post obviously). I'd enjoy your perspective on the frequency of this. I know there are LT male posters who have a feminist/egalitarian worldviews (variety of flavors), but they seem sincere to me and self-respecting! Edited July 10, 2012 by zengirl
Curtis24 Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Being a white knight is the belief that if you come to the defense of a woman or rescue her out of a situation, then she's obligated to repay you with her vagina. Well I agree with this. HOwever, there are certain situations where men should help women regardless, such as if she's being harassed or attacked by another man. 1
fishtaco Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Sounds like a secret jerk to me when you describe it that way! That's what they're called in Zengirl-land at least. Well, I tend to put things in a very cynical way. So I wouldn't call them all secret-jerks. Because I think sometimes it is just a noob mistake. I'd say you know they are secret-jerks if after access to vagina is denied, they throw a fit. If they just walk away with their tails between their legs, then they're just noobs. That's how I would make the distinction anyway. ETA: I'm curious, fish. Do you see a lot of guys doing this on LS to curry female favor? I really can't think of any LT posters that do this (I don't know or remember everyone who makes every single post obviously). I'd enjoy your perspective on the frequency of this. I know there are LT male posters who have a feminist/egalitarian worldviews (variety of flavors), but they seem sincere to me and self-respecting! I don't really see that on LS. Once in a blue moon I'll see some dude sucking up, but I'd say it's rare. There's no favor to curry on LS. I've had internet hookups that resulted from bantering in chat rooms about random subjects. So I'm not discounting the power of the internet. But LS is not a place for that. Many people here are here for a reason - they are unhappy about the behavior of the opposite sex. Not exactly conducive to hooking up.
fishtaco Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Well I agree with this. HOwever, there are certain situations where men should help women regardless, such as if she's being harassed or attacked by another man. So would you go to a guy's defense if he's being harassed or attacked? If you want to rescue a person, then you should rescue. But you should not make your decision based on gender. 2
zengirl Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Well, I tend to put things in a very cynical way. So I wouldn't call them all secret-jerks. Because I think sometimes it is just a noob mistake. I'd say you know they are secret-jerks if after access to vagina is denied, they throw a fit. If they just walk away with their tails between their legs, then they're just noobs. That's how I would make the distinction anyway. A fair point. I guess I'd consider even an internal fit (as in bitterness) a secret-jerk move but if a guy truly got over it, then yes, just noob. That'd be my view at least. I don't really see that on LS. Once in a blue moon I'll see some dude sucking up, but I'd say it's rare. There's no favor to curry on LS. I've had internet hookups that resulted from bantering in chat rooms about random subjects. So I'm not discounting the power of the internet. But LS is not a place for that. Many people here are here for a reason - they are unhappy about the behavior of the opposite sex. Not exactly conducive to hooking up. Agree, which is why I thought it odd that the OP suggested people were engaging on that behavior here. Unless he meant people here were engaging in that behavior in their dating lives - I see that from time to time, but those guys are definitely secret-jerks. I certainly think everyone should have self-respect. I know you and I don't agree on a lot on here, but I think we've certainly always agreed on that, though we may take it to mean different things.
Curtis24 Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 So would you go to a guy's defense if he's being harassed or attacked? If you want to rescue a person, then you should rescue. But you should not make your decision based on gender. Yes you should. Women and children first.
zengirl Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 So would you go to a guy's defense if he's being harassed or attacked? If you want to rescue a person, then you should rescue. But you should not make your decision based on gender. I'd hope* everyone would do something, if they could, if ANYONE was being harassed or attacked. Granted, I don't think a 90 lb gal is going to do much if two big dudes are going at it, though she could call the authorities, etc. *I know everyone wouldn't (I'm not that starry eyed) but they should. 1
Author aRealMan Posted July 10, 2012 Author Posted July 10, 2012 So would you go to a guy's defense if he's being harassed or attacked? If you want to rescue a person, then you should rescue. But you should not make your decision based on gender. Yes you should. Women and children first. See, Zengirl? Now, no more playing oblivious.
fishtaco Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Yes you should. Women and children first. Are you serious? I don't know where you live where men, women and children are all being harassed and attacked, and you have to make a priority decision of who to save first. You're not batman. You probably should hide and call the police. A more realistic "rescue" for those of us that live in civilized areas would be something like helping a woman move her couch, let her borrow money... etc. I'd hope* everyone would do something, if they could, if ANYONE was being harassed or attacked. Granted, I don't think a 90 lb gal is going to do much if two big dudes are going at it, though she could call the authorities, etc. *I know everyone wouldn't (I'm not that starry eyed) but they should. When laws are being broken, and lives are at stake, I think we have just left the realm of "how can I get that vagina". I don't think it's a good idea that we mix these two topics together. These are different situations. 3
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