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July 9, 2012

In what fairy tale land does this take place pray tell? Most American women expect you to pay on every date, forever and ever. I have dated 2 in 38 years that did not expect it. Granted, I grew up in the south, and things are done a little more traditionally. Sadly, there are few, if any, single women that retain those traditional values. The good southern girls got married at 18 and stayed that way, or were quickly snatched up after divorce if they weren't obese. Mostly bitter, jaded, man haters left in my age group (30-45).

I live near Chicago. It's nothing like that out here

I don't know if I'v ever met 1 single guy I've ever talked to who told me that his GF doesn't split the costs in dating. Usually the only exceptions to this if the guy makes a ton of money and the girl is broke or if the guy wants to pay for it by choice

Sorry dude, I can't share your experiences because it's never happened to me

July 9, 2012

This would be a statement that would make you seem unlikeable to most women, regardless of wallet size.

You could replace "woman" with any ethnicity, religion sexual orientation etc and it would pretty much make you seem unlikeable to whichever group was selected as well.

As for logic and reasoning abilities: no gender has a particular leg up in the other. Women perform slightly better on LSATS, which are largely logic and reasoning tests.

IME though, the best way to get someone to act unreasonably is to tell them that they'll fail at reason and that there is nothing they can do about it because they are inherently flawed.

What else could I say, when their answer to being treated like an adult child is always "gender roles" or "real men", it kind of makes you wonder if they really are capable of logical reasoning. Sometimes I don't think they even want equality. Sometimes I think they want superiority, since their views bounce between modern and old-fashioned depending on when it benefits them or not.

Seriously, really?
Are there no original topics left on LS but the same argument about who pays for a meal on a date. Just sit on a large rock and talk, brown bag your own meal, and voila, feast. No argument. Every topic somehow evolves into this topic. Is it that serious?

Well... I'm new here, so I have that excuse, lol. I couldn't help but notice the topic, because it had 900+ replies. Judging by the posts of females on this site, you'd have to pay for their bag and meal -- no really.

I meant to say stop "letting" a few bitter men tell you otherwise, my bad

Anyways, I can't speak for this forum but most women I know expect to split the costs 50-50 starting with the second date and many are even fine with splitting it first date

Easy solution to the problem - only date the women who are compatible with your views

Maybe...maybe SOME guys on here might be bitter, but I think you're overlooking the females too. Maybe it's because we have unwritten social rules in society that place females on the pedestal and to not hold them accountable. Most, and by most I mean just about all, female posts on this site only ever amounts to "I deserve free handouts just because I was born as this and you were born as that". You don't find that disturbing?

Then those men need to be up front with their views on who pays on the date. They can do that or keep the date simple (coffee or a couple drinks) so they don't have to take a loan out in order to pay for the date.

NOT ALL WOMEN FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT PAYING.

If you read that thread then you would have read many posts from different women who said that they have no problem contributing.

Are you saying that I didn't read the thread? Some of them say that they would "offer" on the dates, but anyone with thumbs knows that those offers are "sh*t tests". It's like PUA for women. "Pretend to offer to pay for yourself, if he lets you, don't bother with him anymore". Many of those girls were saying that they prefer to be paid for by "a gentlemen/real man" for on X amount of dates, before considering a lousy tip. Really? Why are they never called cheap? They seem very selective about gender roles and equality.

July 9, 2012

The reason there is so much "fuss" about it is because people argue about the $$$ when it's entirely about something else.

If people don't get that after 900+ posts, then they never will.

I speak for myself, but a man who thinks paying for dates is about the wallet, is no man at all.

July 9, 2012

Some of them say that they would "offer" on the dates, but anyone with thumbs knows that those offers are "sh*t tests". It's like PUA for women. "Pretend to offer to pay for yourself, if he lets you, don't bother with him anymore". Many of those girls were saying that they prefer to be paid for by "a gentlemen/real man" for on X amount of dates, before considering a lousy tip. Really? Why are they never called cheap? They seem very selective about gender roles and equality.

so you are calling those women liars?

Why do you believe that all women are the same in that they all want free meals or that they 'next' a guy if he lets a woman contribute?

Get out some more and you will see otherwise.

July 9, 2012

Maybe...maybe SOME guys on here might be bitter, but I think you're overlooking the females too. Maybe it's because we have unwritten social rules in society that place females on the pedestal and to not hold them accountable. Most, and by most I mean just about all, female posts on this site only ever amounts to "I deserve free handouts just because I was born as this

Good women aren't like this. Stay away from superficial whores and you'll be fine

My best friend is dating a blonde that looks like a pornstar with her own house and she wanted to split the costs starting with the 1st date

Don't let a few bitter men or a few entitled women cloud your mind. It's not like that in the real world, at least not where I live

July 9, 2012

The reason there is so much "fuss" about it is because people argue about the $$$ when it's entirely about something else.

If people don't get that after 900+ posts, then they never will.

I speak for myself, but a man who thinks paying for dates is about the wallet, is no man at all.

How can you say they are no man, when you clearly bend over and do what women tell you to do, just because they are women? In this post, you clearly value females more than yourself and your own gender (I pay her for the privelage to hang out with her), and you call yourself a man? It sounds more like "I worship the ground they work on".

July 9, 2012

IMHO I have noticed that many men who grow very upset about the pay for dates idea seem to think that it isn't about going out and having a good time.

It's about "is she trying to control me/get something from me?"

I don't know what my take is exactly on that. I just think the sensitivity to that might be a flag. But it would be somewhat case by case.

July 9, 2012

^

Who said anything about asking the woman?

I'm so shocked that this is how far off people are about the topic. Wow.

July 9, 2012

The reason there is so much "fuss" about it is because people argue about the $$$ when it's entirely about something else.

If people don't get that after 900+ posts, then they never will.

I speak for myself, but a man who thinks paying for dates is about the wallet, is no man at all.

Honestly, I am southern, and traditional, and I really have no problem paying for every date I ask a woman on. If I've been dating a woman for a year, I still pay when we go out, BUT, crap like the above in bold rubs me the wrong way. This is always the case. Women feel like they have to attack your manhood if you are not doing things the way they want.

July 9, 2012

so you are calling those women liars?

Why do you believe that all women are the same in that they all want free meals or that they 'next' a guy if he lets a woman contribute?

Get out some more and you will see otherwise.

Probably because I've overheard it plenty of times and read it almost all the time. It seems like every time a sentence begins with "A real man/gentlemen...." it always ends with something that says women deserve free handouts just because of what they were born as.

Good women aren't like this. Stay away from superficial whores and you'll be fine

My best friend is dating a blonde that looks like a pornstar with her own house and she wanted to split the costs starting with the 1st date

Don't let a few bitter men or a few entitled women cloud your mind. It's not like that in the real world, at least not where I live

Ah, fair enough. Even though I think it is more than a few, I agree. All I can really do is bring attention to BS, and or stay away from it. People are going to whatever they think they can get away with..... it is what it is.

July 9, 2012

Probably because I've overheard it plenty of times and read it almost all the time. It seems like every time a sentence begins with "A real man/gentlemen...." it always ends with something that says women deserve free handouts just because of what they were born as.

I agree that the 'real men/gentleman' sentences usually never end well.

We live in a world with millions of women. You can't expect that they all act the same.

I promise you that plenty of women exist who have no issues contributing.

In turn not all women hate men.

July 9, 2012

IMHO I have noticed that many men who grow very upset about the pay for dates idea seem to think that it isn't about going out and having a good time.

It's about "is she trying to control me/get something from me?"

I don't know what my take is exactly on that. I just think the sensitivity to that might be a flag. But it would be somewhat case by case.

And likewise, women who are more concerned with having themselves paid for, speaks volumes about her character, or lack their of. If someone need to be paid for when hanging out with a guy friend, but can hang out with female friends for free... it really goes to show that she's a glorified prostitute.

Honestly, I am southern, and traditional, and I really have no problem paying for every date I ask a woman on. If I've been dating a woman for a year, I still pay when we go out, BUT, crap like the above in bold rubs me the wrong way. This is always the case. Women feel like they have to attack your manhood if you are not doing things the way they want.

Exactly. I don't think guys are smart enough to realize it, nor have the balls to go against popular opinion. Maybe they can't call a h0e a h0e or call a b*tch a b*tch, because female interactions might be very rare for them, so they feel lucky just to be noticed. And since the chance for sex is so hard to come by for them, they think "oh, well. I better just do whatever makes her happy even if she's wrong".

July 9, 2012

Ah, fair enough. Even though I think it is more than a few, I agree. All I can really do is bring attention to BS, and or stay away from it. People are going to whatever they think they can get away with..... it is what it is.

Entitled women are going to be entitled. No point in arguing with their stupidity

Just find the ones who have the attitude you (and me) like, there's plenty of them. In my experience, there are way way more women nowadays who want 50/50 dating than the traditional mindset, but I date very young (so I'm not sure if it's different with the 30+ crowd)

July 9, 2012

IMHO I have noticed that many men who grow very upset about the pay for dates idea seem to think that it isn't about going out and having a good time.

It's about "is she trying to control me/get something from me?"

I don't know what my take is exactly on that. I just think the sensitivity to that might be a flag. But it would be somewhat case by case.

July 9, 2012

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And guess what else? He's finally acting better; he's less bitter; he's able to joke around with people and his demeanor is more relaxed. I never ever thought he would change but nailing that nookie whenever he pleases and without the hassle of trying to court some hoe in disguise, walking down the street like she's hot ****, has really worked wonders on him. And it will also do the same to rest of you guys in despair.

Seriously fellas. I don't know how anybody can't go out and bag some bar fly, if your feeling lonely, but if that is the case, don't let feminist society make you think paying an escort is shameful. It will do wonders for your attitude, and make you less desperate acting. Didn't any of you ever nail the school slut just to break a slow streak? It's never easier to get laid than when you are getting laid. Shaun-Dro speaks with wisdom. Asian Massage Parlors are good too, and cost less.

July 9, 2012

Guess I find it so weird that my whole gender is stereotyped as just getting the richest guy and not liking him, but only his wallet etc.

Me personally, I would never date a guy I wasn't into just because we're going to go to Red Lobster and he's footing the bill.

I would rather stay hone and make a damn sandwich.

July 9, 2012

Guess I find it so weird that my whole gender is stereotyped as just getting the richest guy and not liking him, but only his wallet etc.

Me personally, I would never date a guy I wasn't into just because we're going to go to Red Lobster and he's footing the bill.

I would rather stay hone and make a damn sandwich.

yep I agree, it's 2012. People in here acting like it's still 1920

July 9, 2012

yep I agree, it's 2012. People in here acting like it's still 1920

You mean to say it ISN"T???

Well I guess that sure takes the wind out of my sails!

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