Do Women Really Like Men?

July 8, 2012

So, I was just reading the "who pays for dinner" topic. If you can't even pay for your own self, are you really ready for dating? It seems like some women would be better off with a better paying job and some money management skills. I can't understand how someone feels entitled to another person's wallet. Since there was a enough fuss to have 900+ replies, I just have to wonder: do you really like men? Or do you just look for someone that you can live off of? This is actually a serious topic.

July 8, 2012

Gee, a new member with TWO whole posts asking this question.

Yes, you caught us. Some of us are looking to "live off men" simply because on a DATE, some of us prefer the man to pay for our $13.99 Shrimp Scampi.

LMAO - if something like THAT is considered "going after your wallet" and "living off a man," then you're probably not going to get too far in the dating world.

But I'm willing to bet if you DO manage to snag a woman with that stingy attitude and you end up living together, you'll want her to share 50/50 in the finances but still expect her to do 90% of the housework - like most "forward thinking" men. You all only play the "equality" card when it benefits your own cheap asses.

But good luck with that.

SO if he takes you out 3 times, and you still haven't put out, add 2 drinks per meal and he's dropped $65.97 on you. This doesn't include tip, or gas, or his own meal. So just double that, and he's spent $131.94 cents on dinner and drinks, plus tips and gas, to hang out with you 3 times. So realistically, it has cost him about $150.00 minimum, to hang out with you 3 times without any guarantee from you. He could have gone to an Asian massage parlor and gotten "All the way" for that or less. I'm failing to see the value in dating a woman like that. Sounds to me like YOU may be the cheap one.

July 8, 2012

So, I was just reading the "who pays for dinner" topic. If you can't even pay for your own self, are you really ready for dating? It seems like some women would be better off with a better paying job and some money management skills. I can't understand how someone feels entitled to another person's wallet. Since there was a enough fuss to have 900+ replies, I just have to wonder: do you really like men? Or do you just look for someone that you can live off of? This is actually a serious topic.

Younger women will let you but them mcdonalds, if you're worried about the older chicks just do coffee or something casual, drinks is cheaper than food, plus it'll give you a chance to have sex with them quicker

July 8, 2012

Gee, a new member with TWO whole posts asking this question.

Yes, you caught us. Some of us are looking to "live off men" simply because on a DATE, some of us prefer the man to pay for our $13.99 Shrimp Scampi.

LMAO - if something like THAT is considered "going after your wallet" and "living off a man," then you're probably not going to get too far in the dating world.

But I'm willing to bet if you DO manage to snag a woman with that stingy attitude and you end up living together, you'll want her to share 50/50 in the finances but still expect her to do 90% of the housework - like most "forward thinking" men. You all only play the "equality" card when it benefits your own cheap asses.

But good luck with that.

I don't expect anyone to do any of my housework. And how can you call someone cheap when you can't even be bothered to pay your own way at all? Why don't you just give your guys a brochure that lists your positions, and how much they cost per hour?

And don't even get me started on the equality...

It's funny how you women are all "strong and independent" until push comes to shove... then you go and hide in a corner with your gender roles.

You cry for equal pay, but then want to go bum meals from men. You want equality, but still think it's fine for women to hit men, and not get "Chris Brown'd" for it.

You all want equal treatment and respect, but I don't see you all trying to get on the front lines during war. I've never heard of woman giving her life for a greater cause.

You all pretend to be confident, but you throw out hints, because your fragile egos can't handle the thought of rejection....I can do this for days. You don't want to talk about selective equality, you'll never win that argument.

July 9, 2012

Here: I usually play the same passive-aggressive game in response to these aggressive arguments on here. Not this thread.

If you want to find out if all women want to live off of you etc. Or not ask women and stop high-fixing each other everytime someone comes out with a worse insult for the whole gender.

Do I want to "live off of a guy."

No. I'm married and still have never "lived off of a guy."

If we were to look at the history of my marriage I have either made more money or been dead-on even with our earnings. I don't care.

Been through thick and thin. Including his addictions issues.

Whatever.

I like his company (when he is sober like the last six months.)

He is a great dad to our daughter and has made tremendous changes.

Being a dad and a husband is his job, being a wife and mother is mine.

There isn't much more to it then that as long as we can reasonably live.

July 9, 2012

Our lives don't revolve around your erections.

They don't have as much gravitational pull as you would like to believe.

I don't think that was the point. He was probably referring to what you *typically* get with a man: like loyalty, money, someone to stroke your ego and make you feel important, and a higher standard of living (since women mostly date up).

As for your other post, if it is true, you're definitely in the minority.

But this wasn't really a hate thread. It really is a serious one. Since there is such a fuss over people having to pay for their own self, then, I think we can agree that women really just want money and superiority -- not men and equality.

And if that happens to be the truth, then "oh well, it is what it is", is what my reaction would be. I'd just like to know the honest truth for (the majority) of women. Being a college student who works out daily, I have no problem finding someone interested (I see someone staring or repeatedly passing by, or "accidentally" bumping into me quite frequently).

However, I'm starting to think the "dog (loyal, fun companion) is man's best friend" and "diamonds (material wealth) are a girl's best friend" has more truth to it than most people give it credit for. I think it suggests what the genders really want out of life.

July 9, 2012

So, I was just reading the "who pays for dinner" topic. If you can't even pay for your own self, are you really ready for dating? It seems like some women would be better off with a better paying job and some money management skills. I can't understand how someone feels entitled to another person's wallet. Since there was a enough fuss to have 900+ replies, I just have to wonder: do you really like men? Or do you just look for someone that you can live off of? This is actually a serious topic.

In all seriousness, if who pays for dinner is such a deal to you then be up front about your views on the subject with potential dates and that will weed out who is good and who is not.

July 9, 2012

So, are you really ready for dating? It seems like some women would be better off with a better paying job and some money management skills.

Perhaps you would be better off with a better paying job and some money management skills so you could compete with other men who are generous and have no problem treating a woman to a meal once in a while.

July 9, 2012

Isn't the topic Do women like men? I can handle the male species as long as it is not human or a man-eater, a male hermit crab, A-okay, but men, nope. I admit it. Do not like you guys at all.

July 9, 2012

In my experience women who want to be totally equal are forced to be by their less than splendid appearance. Married an alcoholic, what does that say about her dating potential?

It's easy not to be a golddigger when no man of means would give you a second look.

The two men I dated before were financially set. I dumped them both. I was engaged twice before my husband and received seven marriage proposals from six different men before I met my husband.

My father and grandfathers are both self-made millionaires. They both were not great marital candidates (despite the fact my parents have been together 35+ years).

Money didn't make the man I wanted to marry and it didn't break him either.

I was looking for something different. Unfortunately for myself I didn't know how to screen for sexual addiction or that there was such a thing (and no, sexual addiction is NOT wanting "too much" sex)

July 9, 2012

Self righteous, treating, generous, these words shine through. She never even mentioned any substance or reason as to why she is worthy of this.

It's not up to the woman to convince the man she is worthy. He decides for himself and acts accordingly.

July 9, 2012

Women do like men, and willingly spend time with men they like with nothing but shared good times in return.

If you have to pay a woman to spend time with you, you are smart to question if she truly likes you.

But--when it comes to the first date, who wants the date? Who is pursuing? Does she know you enough to like you? If she doesn't even know you enough to like you, but you are attracted and want to get to know her better, you may have to sweeten the deal a little. Treat her to some coffee, or a meal. Buy yourself enough time with her so that she can get to know you, and like you.

July 9, 2012

Women do like men, and willingly spend time with men they like with nothing but shared good times in return.

If you have to pay a woman to spend time with you, you are smart to question if she truly likes you.

But--when it comes to the first date, who wants the date? Who is pursuing? Does she know you enough to like you? If she doesn't even know you enough to like you, but you are attracted and want to get to know her better, you may have to sweeten the deal a little. Treat her to some coffee, or a meal. Buy yourself enough time with her so that she can get to know you, and like you.

Yea it's just a 1st date. A good woman will split costs or even pay for date starting with the second date

All the people I know spend 50-50 in their relationships. I don't understand all this debate on this site about the whole "paying for dates" thing. It's a non-issue in the real world as far as I can see

July 9, 2012

Do Women Really Like Men?

No, for everybody knows that

"Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money

Boys will laugh at girls when they're not funny..."

July 9, 2012

Omg, that is so true. I've noticed that a LOT.

I know at least 4 or 5 very good looking women where the relationship is totally equal. There are a few I know that are not like that but they're gold digging superficial garbage that I wouldn't want anything to do with anyways

A good woman wants nothing more than the company of a good man. Stop telling a few bitter men on the internet tell you otherwise.

July 9, 2012

If anybody doubts that gender relations have gone down the toilet just look at this thread from both sides. So much animosity.

July 9, 2012

In my experience women who want to be totally equal are forced to be by their less than splendid appearance. Married an alcoholic, what does that say about her dating potential?

It's easy not to be a golddigger when no man of means would give you a second look.

I find this funny too actually.

If my data point doesn't fit your preconceived notion, then it must be because something is waaaayy off of the charts abnormal.

Just because something does not fit your algorithm does not means the world fits your myopic viewpoint.

To answer the original question:

I think in general and from the general opinions I have heard from "women" in my life experience in general is that yes, we like men.

And we like men for more then what the men on this board think we like them for. In fact we like a lot of masculine traits.

Some of the "masculine traits" that SOME men possess that "we" in general don't like is:

-talking about women or a particular women as a purely sexual receptacle and having no other worth.

(I.e. She's just a three, she can just **** the Hell off, I'm not talking to her.")

-saying we are all only after your money

(especially this day and age where the majority of us work to support ourselves and take pride in our careers)

-for the ones that are housewives saying they sit on their ass all day leeching off of their mate. It happens sometimes. I've seen it once. But for the most part I'm glad that my daughter goes to day home during the day because I'd burn out in three days having to do everything domestic (to my standards) and chase after my 3 year old)

- saying stuff about women just trying to withhold sex etc.

I know veeeerrry few women that use sex as a control factor. That's very nasty and a form of abuse. If you date a woman that uses those games. End it. It's sick. Intimacy isn't a tool.

-when men lie just to get sex and then blame the woman for putting out saying she "should've known better." it isn't up to every single individual on the planet to run a polygraph on someone to see if they are honest in intentions. Everyone is responsible for their own level of honesty, especially with sexual intimacy.

- when men tell their gfs/wives not to be "so insecure" about their blatant sexual activities outside of a relationship like porn or flirting with other girls/strip clubs etc. Both genders have behaviors that arouse discomfort instinctually. For most of us, your visual attraction to us is what led you tp us in the first place. It makes us feel vulnerable and less then par when men are blantant AND then INVALIDATING about the fact that it is uncomfortable.

Most men (IMHO) would have their discomfort very highly aroused by watching their girlfriends cuddle up to a dude, regardless of the fact that they may have been platonic friends for years. Some guts are very jealous is their gf has a make friendship. Most likely a relationship with a gf started as more of a friendship so it flags their concern.

Do women like men?

I can only truly know my own opinion. I hope they do. I hope men like women too and don't want to treat them in the generalized way that s

July 9, 2012

I couldn't edit my posts in this page on time

What I meant to say is that almost all the relationships I know are 50-50 in terms of overall contribution. I know some relationships where the man makes way way way more money so he pays for almost everything and that's perfectly fine to me (a woman should only be asked to contribute in proportion to the salary she makes)

The women who expect men to pay for everything and buy them gifts are superficial garbage that I avoid like the plague anyways. I don't want anything to do with women who are not at least somewhat strong and independent

This whole paying for dates thing is a non issue in real life. For the most part, all the guys I know usually pay for the first date or first 2 dates and it's all even after that. To me there's nothing really wrong with that - most of my friends tell me that the girl actually volunteered to split the bill even on the first date and the guys just payed for it just to be a gentleman

The question to this thread is that yes, good women do love men and they love spending time with them without needing to be paid and bought. Don't listen to the bitter lovable losers on this site. Superficial gold digging whores are only a small percentage of the female population

July 9, 2012

You're asking a woman for logical reasoning. That's like trying to cook food by placing it in the freezer.

This would be a statement that would make you seem unlikeable to most women, regardless of wallet size.

You could replace "woman" with any ethnicity, religion sexual orientation etc and it would pretty much make you seem unlikeable to whichever group was selected as well.

As for logic and reasoning abilities: no gender has a particular leg up in the other. Women perform slightly better on LSATS, which are largely logic and reasoning tests.

IME though, the best way to get someone to act unreasonably is to tell them that they'll fail at reason and that there is nothing they can do about it because they are inherently flawed.

July 9, 2012

Seriously, really?

Are there no original topics left on LS but the same argument about who pays for a meal on a date. Just sit on a large rock and talk, brown bag your own meal, and voila, feast. No argument. Every topic somehow evolves into this topic. Is it that serious?

July 9, 2012

Huh? I didn't tell anyone to tell me anything? I just really wanted to know... since the women on these boards (at least in that thread), won't go out with men, unless they're being paid to, what do they actually like? Do they want to date men, or their money? I really want to know, but all I'm getting is passive-aggressive replies (except one) that avoid the question, so I guess they're getting mad that someone's caught on.

I meant to say stop "letting" a few bitter men tell you otherwise, my bad

Anyways, I can't speak for this forum but most women I know expect to split the costs 50-50 starting with the second date and many are even fine with splitting it first date

Easy solution to the problem - only date the women who are compatible with your views

July 9, 2012

Again. I said I read the "who pays for dinner thread" and there was a lot of fuss over the dates. Men would be happy if everyone was equal like when they hang out with friends and family. But the women in the topic feel the need to be financially compensated for hanging out with men that they like. Some have even mentioned that they would never pay for their own selves. It sounds like an adult child to me, but that's another topic. So which is it? Do women want to go out with men, or do they want to go out with their earnings?

Then those men need to be up front with their views on who pays on the date. They can do that or keep the date simple (coffee or a couple drinks) so they don't have to take a loan out in order to pay for the date.

NOT ALL WOMEN FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT PAYING.

If you read that thread then you would have read many posts from different women who said that they have no problem contributing.

July 9, 2012

I meant to say stop "letting" a few bitter men tell you otherwise, my bad

Anyways, I can't speak for this forum but most women I know expect to split the costs 50-50 starting with the second date and many are even fine with splitting it first date

Easy solution to the problem - only date the women who are compatible with your views

In what fairy tale land does this take place pray tell? Most American women expect you to pay on every date, forever and ever. I have dated 2 in 38 years that did not expect it. Granted, I grew up in the south, and things are done a little more traditionally. Sadly, there are few, if any, single women that retain those traditional values. The good southern girls got married at 18 and stayed that way, or were quickly snatched up after divorce if they weren't obese. Mostly bitter, jaded, man haters left in my age group (30-45).

July 9, 2012

Most American women expect you to pay on every date, forever and ever.

In what fairy tale land does this take place pray tell?

Yes a lot of women will expect a free meal every time that they go out.

Yes a lot are out there who have no issue chipping in.

July 9, 2012

You live in the South so that might explain it. Women from the north might not be as dainty and soft but they make much better partners. There is a reason Jersey has the lowest divorce rate in the nation.

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