anne1707 Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 And your posting history is a testament to that as well.... This is just so ridiculous. I am out of here.
Author kaylan Posted July 4, 2012 Author Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) This is just so ridiculous. I am out of here. Good...because youre not quoting me properly and still seem to have a hard time understanding what Im saying. I wasnt singling you out but excuse me of being perceptive and having good memory regarding some folks posts. I said most posters (not just you) on this forum will speak out in defense for men or women more depending on their gender. Its rather normal and expected given their experience as a man or woman...and I gave this thread as an example. Its not a hard concept to understand. Anyways back to the main topic. Edited July 4, 2012 by kaylan
eleanorhurting Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 I'm not into the whole gender war thing either but I agree with Anne and you will be happy to know this is the last time I'm replying to any of your posts. You constantly put a woman (different women each time) down in your posts. You called Kate a gold digger which is something that you have no way of proving. You put down women who get "fat and stretch marks and are old" (don't remember the exact thread, it was something about a friend of yours sleeping with an older woman... ) You once mentioned you tried to hook up with a woman who was" slutty" yet you still tried to hook up with her and then when she rejected you you called her a slut again. You have referred to women who you think are "slutty"as nasties. Maybe you are right maybe I am offended because I am a woman. But I don't think anyone should put anyone down that way, men or women. I used to use the word creeper and I vowed to stop using in a thread a while back it so maybe you can pick up on your constant slamming of women and make some changes of your own. 3
ascendotum Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 I have a couple of mates who were chubby and balding in their 20s. They had gfs in their early 20s but from mid 20s on when they were single again and when the hair loss started to kick in more, they struggled with women, until their mid 30s. How much of an impact it had with women is hard to say because you dont often get given the true reason on why a woman has no interest in you, but these guys were not knocking back obviously interested women that I ever saw. There was a feedback loop going on too. Low interest lead to lower confidence in themselves which no doubt compounded the lower desire from women. One was desperate to settle down with any woman and the other when women started to get more friendlier in their 30s (assume the hair loss & chub was less of an issue by then) started to do quite well as his mojo kicked in pretty soon as well. He was very happy but also annoyed he struggled for those years when he was hornier & women sexier.
mesmerized Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Both would bother me. How much chub are we talking about? I can't be attracted to chubby/fat men. Balding is forgivable on the right guy. 1
Author kaylan Posted July 4, 2012 Author Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Hun, first let me thank you for proving my entire argument. Now lets get to it. I'm not into the whole gender war thing either but I agree with Anne and you will be happy to know this is the last time I'm replying to any of your posts. You constantly put a woman (different women each time) down in your posts. Im happy to know I wont have to deal with someone whos clearly blinded by gender influenced perception bias. I constantly put women down? If you REALLY followed my posts accurately, youd know Im equally critical and uplifting to men and women. I show NO preference. Any regular poster who actually reads my posts enough will know I dont slide more to one side than the other. Ive actually received PMs before getting kudos from both men and women on this site. I dont think thatd happen much if I was as one sided as you think I am Like I said, youve proved my point. Based on you being a woman, and your own life experiences, you clearly only notice when I say something negative about a woman. You dont see when I say something positive, nor do you notice when I slam a guy for some reason. Did you notice I was critical of both people in the royal couple? Of course you mostly zeroed in on what I said about about the woman. Lord knows you would have flipped a shiz if I said something about a woman aging and getting chubby at an early age. But like I said, you seem to miss the fact that I was critical of a man AND woman in my post...and we all know the venom would have been harsh if I created a thread regarding an early aging woman. So please stop with the selective BS. You called Kate a gold digger which is something that you have no way of proving.Obviously I dont have first hand knowledge of her life. Shes not my best friend. All I said is there are reports out there that claim shes a gold digger and its not far fetched. Hell, you probably know some yourself. Why get so butt hurt just because a man pointed it out? I was being critical of INDIVIDUALS. Not just a woman, and not just a man. And not either group as a whole. You put down women who get "fat and stretch marks and are old" (don't remember the exact thread, it was something about a friend of yours sleeping with an older woman... )Wow. Again...you clearly dont follow my posts well. You dont read them with accuracy or thoroughly. In that thread I did NOT harp on older women. I am actually one of the guys on this site thats against that crap and I dont put young women on a pedestal. A sexy gal is a sexy gal to me. Regarding weight...Ive always said slimmer women are attractive to me...but I dont go around saying harsh things about bigger women. I generally just give advice about staying in shape....being healthy and sexy. And about the stretch marks. I didnt say anything bad about stretch marks myself. I shared that my ex had stretch marks I quite liked. The negative remarks regarding stretch marks was me sharing stuff some of my guy friends say about them. I was sharing with people what guys will sometimes think and say about stretch marks that are moderate to severe. Hell, I even PM'd a particular member after sharing my friends thoughts so I could assure her all dudes didnt think that way and that shes sexy how she is anyways. So again...you need to learn how to read my posts and remove the gender lenses. Thats a problem with A LOT of men and women on this forum. As soon as you see anything negative about men or women, some of you go into a blind rage and misread posts and miss the actual message. And you need to actually stop zeroing in on only my posts that are critical of women. Because as I said, Im equally critical of men...and then Im equally helpful and uplifting to both groups. Ask around and pay attention more often. You once mentioned you tried to hook up with a woman who was" slutty" yet you still tried to hook up with her and then when she rejected you you called her a slut again.Wait...so its wrong for me to accurately label a slutty girl as a slut? She had a reputation and really tried to make it known to me that she was down for fun. I made the moves on her when I was drunk, and if anything I would have only made out with her. Btw, you left out the full story YET AGAIN. This same girl later tried to hook up with me even though she rejected me before that. But this time I was sober, and I rejected her not only because of her rep, but because I dont mess with girls who rejected me. Also, why in the world would I kiss her and get myself all aroused knowing I wont sleep with her because of her rep? You have referred to women who you think are "slutty"as nasties. I say the same thing about men who are actually slutty and unsafe with their sex life! AGAIN. STOP ZEROING IN ON ONLY WHAT I SAY ABOUT WOMEN! IM JUST AS CRITICAL OF SLUTTY MEN! In fact I have made many posts about how I hate how easy and gross some of my guy friends can be with their sex life. Maybe you are right maybe I am offended because I am a woman. But I don't think anyone should put anyone down that way, men or women. Oh please. This is real life. Some thing will be lauded, and other things will be criticized. Not everything will be loved....get used to it. I used to use the word creeper and I vowed to stop using in a thread a while back it so maybe you can pick up on your constant slamming of women and make some changes of your own.You can use the word creeper. I dont think its gender specific and Ive used it for both creepy weird men and women. And I constantly slam women? Wow...LEARN TO READ MY POSTS MORE OFTEN. Stop only seeing the ones you want to see. Like I said, you have blinders on that only direct you to posts that are critical of women. Too many men and women on this forum are like that. Its annoying and Im glad you wont be addressing me in the future. I dont need to change. Im pretty even handed like I said. You just need to stop seeing what you want to see and actually see what exists in full. Edited July 4, 2012 by kaylan
Eternal Sunshine Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Both bother me and are a huge turn off. That's why I laugh at "men get better with age" comment. Fact is, most don't. I find younger men much hotter. Most men over 35 start to look like my dad Except for the biological clock, I don't see any difference in which sex looks has it better they age. 1
Els Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Eh, I'd caution against taking anything the media says about any celebrity with a huge pinch of salt. Paparrazzi didn't get its name from being honest and non-rumor-mongering. That being said, I'm fairly certain that anybody who is with Will, isn't with him for his looks. There could be any number of factors - wealth, status, popularity, even perhaps true love... but not looks. Kate looks way better than Will ever did and probably ever will. You shouldn't wish to be Asian, if your concern is balding... Many black and Caucasian men can shave completely bald and look decent, but the majority of Asian men look really bad bald. Personally, I really don't care. I'm not turning down a great man cause he has a bit of hair loss or chubbiness.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 I was flummoxed by the dumb assertion that Kate Middleton is a gold digger, so I did google it. I went all the way through the first 12 pages of results, and the ONLY one mentioned was a commercial for a Chinese cab company which evidently has gone viral. Most of the discussion around it is based on confusion, since it's general knowledge that Kate is a "good" down to Earth young woman. She has at times been accused of being a "social climber," but that's a whole different ball of wax. OP evidently gets his facts from tabloids. 2
Author kaylan Posted July 5, 2012 Author Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Oh right....because social climbing is drastically different from what the term gold digger entails. Again notice how women are the only ones adressing this. Like I said, seems gals take my slant against the idividual as a slant against women in general. Lord knows itd be a ****-show had I talked about an aging woman. But none of the gals had anything to say regarding William. Whats with that? All im saying is I wish for once people on this site would see things down the middle. So much butt-hurt-ness over what I said regarding Kate, but no ones upset over my reaction to Wills poor aging. Yeah its such a dumb assertion that a woman would social climb using a prince whos classes above her and has limitless status for generations to come. Are you serious? Its not farfetched and women do stuff like that all the time in the world. This guys family wont lose status for generations...thats what traditional monarchy provides. So hes not immune to the type of women non monarch high status dudes encounter. Hell those dudes are more of a target if their parents dont object to dating commoners. PS - And in response to Elswyth....Will I think was a good looking dude in his younger days before hairloss and getting chubbs. Also, Id take some Asian genes if itd fight of male pattern baldness lol Edited July 5, 2012 by kaylan
Woggle Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Would Kate still want to be with him if he were just some regular guy and not royalty? That should answer the question on whether or not she is a gold digger. Anybody male or female that would want to marry into that family has to have some agenda anyway. 1
dreamingoftigers Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Hi, I just turned the dreaded 30, so I am still glad to be included in the "younger woman" category for this question Neither baldness or chub EVER bothered me. I like chub, always have. Find it extra-sexy (no sarcasm) Most of the guys I dated before I met my husband were scrawny and he gives the best hugs EVER! As well, my ex was going to go bald, just fate in his family. I remember one night he fell asleep beside me and I could see what he would look like 20+ years older and bald. I still he thought he was attractive and wonderful. I realized I was in love with him. (didn't work out, good thing, he might have been attractive to me in the older years, but our kids would have been really funny looking (not because of bald or chub).) With my husband, I barely notice his weight as a visual thing. Just doesn't register. As for his baldness coming like a thief in the night: I don't care. He hadn't seen the back balding patch until a couple weeks ago and was pretty shocked. Seems to bother him. Not me. It could be that I invested in him pre-bald, so i just see us aging together. We all have quirks and features we don't like. Eventually (if we dont die on the way) we are going to get very old. Old men look very similar to one another. So do old women. Hair doesn't exactly have a guaranteed eternal quality. Even if you aren't chubby, not everything is going to stay where it was when you first met. Who knows? Maybe I am just a low-standard marriage-slut 2
mortensorchid Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 I can admit something here, at least, some have accused me of this. They say I am too concerned with looks. Well, I cannot help but be. As a kid, I watched my parents' marriage be pushed and tested to its limits by weight issues. Mom is obese, Dad is not pleased with it. I used to weigh 45 lbs heavier than I am now, and I can tell you that people treat you differently when you are overweight. Everyone from your closest friends to complete strangers (like waiters). And with the obesity problem being what it is, it is more common that people are going to be overweight than not. Although I am not expecting to be with a movie star, I do wish that the man took care of his appearance enough to be thin. Having your hair receed is beyond anyone's control, but I would hope that he would be thin. Or at least in pretty good shape. 1
Emilia Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Would Kate still want to be with him if he were just some regular guy and not royalty? That should answer the question on whether or not she is a gold digger. Anybody male or female that would want to marry into that family has to have some agenda anyway. Who knows? Both William and Harry had been turned down by aristocrat women who were almost as wealthy as them but who didn't want the pressure of the limelight. There are a lot of rich girls in this country who can have the lifestyle without the pressure. Kaylan, you do have the tendency to talk about things that you have no clues about. I remember your posting ridiculous things when I tried to explain some socio-economic trends in this county. I'm sure google is your friend but there is a lot of rubbish on the Internet and you appear to believe a lot of it. Kate Middleton went to a very prestigious private school (in this country called 'a public school') and St Andrews university isn't just somewhere you can go to becuase the heir to the throne attends it. It's a university in Scotland with a very good academic reputation, it isn't somewhere you can just apply to and expect to get accepted. Yes the Middleton's are social climbers but there is a big difference between gold diggers and social climbers as the latter doesn't always involve money. Social climbers often come from monied background and their aim is not to be financially better off necessarily. Will isn't chubby, he has a physically demanding job within the Armed Forces that requires continous training and he is very fit just like his brother, his facial structure is the way it is. It comes from his mother's side. Hope this has put the nonsense of the OP in a different context
Woggle Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 They turned him down because they had money. Kate was a so called commoner who saw it as a way to move up in the world.
Emilia Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 They turned him down because they had money. Kate was a so called commoner who saw it as a way to move up in the world. For sure. It wouldn't have been hard for her to find a rich husband but not with his social status. I think he cares more about his spouse's motives than his brother does. Harry goes around bars with bottles of champagne shouting 'who wants to f*** a royal?'
Woggle Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 For sure. It wouldn't have been hard for her to find a rich husband but not with his social status. I think he cares more about his spouse's motives than his brother does. Harry goes around bars with bottles of champagne shouting 'who wants to f*** a royal?' I am sure Harry does know what they want which is why he hasn't married them.
Emilia Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 I am sure Harry does know what they want which is why he hasn't married them. No, he hasn't married them because he wants to have sex with lots of different women. I don't think these boys care that much to be fair. William was with this girl for almost 10 years before they got married, except for a brief period when he dumped her to play the field, so I'd imagine he is confident that he knows her well. To her credit she is seen as someone who supported him in his younger years when he was still going through the trauma of his mother's accident. I don't think anyone doubts that she loves him. The royal family is a tough family to marry into, you sign your soul away when you join them. I'm pretty sure the boys would rather be in this situation however than work 9-5 in s**t jobs like us monkeys have to 3
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Would Kate still want to be with him if he were just some regular guy and not royalty? That should answer the question on whether or not she is a gold digger. Anybody male or female that would want to marry into that family has to have some agenda anyway. Who knows? What I do know is that people fall in love with the WHOLE person. If somebody is enchanted by a person's social status, that is no worse than a person being enchanted by somebody else's body. And it could be just one piece of a puzzle. Probably any woman who marries into this family is going to bear the brunt of a bunch of lame speculation from tabloids and from people who use them for their "facts" like our OP here. As far as looks go - specifically, chub and hair, in my opinion, William and Kate were pretty evenly matched in the looks department. It's not like he is a messed up looking guy and she is a goddess. So using them was a bad example. How about The Donald and his bride? That's more like it: Google Image Result for http://anythinghollywood.com/wp-content/2008/05/20_05_08_trumps.jpg
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 In any case, when they got together he had neither thinning hair nor chub. Anybody who gets married is likely to face some normal changes in their partner at they age.
RedRobin Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Why do you care? Seeing a bit of hair loss? Time at the gym going by the wayside? I want a man who has a healthy lifestyle. I'm much more concerned what their cholesterol levels are and how they balance all aspects of their life over things they can't control (hair loss). A little chub? Why not? As long as it doesn't indicate a path to complete disregard for their health or other things I'd be incompatible with. I learned a long time ago that I need to be with someone who has an active lifestyle and needs some kind of physical activity to be happy. Being with a sedentary person would be tough for me. So, totally fine with baldness or a little chub. The biggest jerks I've ever met are the guys who are obsessed with their looks. Will pass on those. 2
veggirl Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 They turned him down because they had money. Kate was a so called commoner who saw it as a way to move up in the world. Uh, basically everyone is a commoner compared to him, Woggle. And her family is loaded, so she was not exactly slumming it before she met him. Funny how well-versed you are in her intentions though Not that your opinion on any woman is fair, or really should be taken seriously.
zengirl Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 I've dated men who had thinning hair in their late 20s, early 30s, and I predict they'll be balding eventually. Hubby has thinning hair, though he's not what I'd call "balding" and still looks pretty yummy to most gals, as far as I can tell (he gets hit on plenty). He's tall, and you can only see that his hair is thinning when looking down on his head, which may help with gals still finding him attractive or not, I don't know. But I think honestly it's not a big deal to most women in their mid-20s or later. Maybe something you think, "Ick!" in high school or something. But the far majority of men have thinning hair. A good hair cut may help, but it's just not a big deal, IMO. As for 'chub,' well if we're using Prince William as an example, that level of 'chub' is fine, though I never thought he was attractive and don't now. I would prefer a guy with a tiny bit of chub over a gym rat guy any day, though my absolute preference is for lean muscle. I imagine Hubby will get a beer belly or something with age - happens. Not worried about it. 1
Author kaylan Posted July 5, 2012 Author Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Im still laughing my butt off at the notion that social climbing being much different from gold digging. They both accomplish the same things, so lets be serious here. Either way...as I said again, notice how its mostly women taking such issue with what I said. Its really not a big deal, and its not farfetched that a prince might shack up with a girl who has alterior motives. Now regarding Will (in response to the immediate above post), I didnt mean he was outright chubby. I meant he had soft places on his body. Some slight pudge as well as having puffy cheeks. Kinda like a woodland creature stuffing its cheeks with food for winter lol. And Im not too sure about the majority of guys having thinning hair under 35. Id say its half at most, and usually more white dudes than anyone else. I know most of my peers have full heads of hair at the moment though Edited July 5, 2012 by kaylan
veggirl Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Now regarding Will (in response to the immediate above post), I didnt mean he was outright chubby. I meant he had soft places on his body. Some slight pudge as well as having puffy cheeks. Kinda like a woodland creature stuffing its cheeks with food for winter lol. And Im not too sure about the majority of guys having thinning hair under 35. Id say its half at most, and usually more white dudes than anyone else. I know most of my peers have full heads of hair at the moment though The level of chub Will has is perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of women, I'd imagine. His hair may not be. I am a bit older than you, Kaylan (29) and at your age I think most of my peers had full heads of hair too...now though I'd honestly say it's like 50/50. Okay maybe not that much, but....well, it's not uncommon to see a guy around my age balding, at all!
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