A MASTERS DEGREE? Does more dating opportunities exist as opposed to just a bachelor

July 5, 2012

With a masters you could be a college instructor.

July 5, 2012

I would think that would be more appealing to the part of the man having one verses a woman. After all, it is more acceptable for a man to have more education than the woman, as the man is traditionally the bread winner of the household. At least, potentially. But as for women? Often times you have no choice but to get an education because you are not as appealing if you have more earning potential than a man does. It's an unfortunate contradiction, but it does exist.

I base that on the fact that I have seen many guys who have turned down women (myself included) because they really want someone who is lesser than they are. We fall back on money (which this indicates) because money is something tangible - it can be counted, can be assigned worth based on whatever job you do or whatever your title is, etc. It indicates how important you are/were to whatever organization you work for. But it also means personality, chrisma, conversational abilities, and even looks. That sounds bitter, but I would not have said that unless I have not seen it countless times.

July 5, 2012

well, masters degrees are not for everyone. You must get a 3.0 GPA on a 4.0 scale to graduate. The Master thesis requires much research and is not easy to get. People with master degrees tend to have much lower unemployment rates and higher income prospects. They are more likely to get six figure incomes. As for dating, if people with recent masters degrees can't get dating mates, then who can. they are the cream of the drop and are expected to be very smart and intelligent

July 5, 2012

I'm an academic who prizes academia, wouldn't date a guy without a college degree, etc, and even I don't give two figs if a guy has a Masters or not. Whether he does depends on a variety of factors - his field, his income, lifestyle & time, etc. I don't think having a Masters helps dating ability, nor do I think dating purposes are one of the reasons for continued education.

July 5, 2012

Nature says men are supposed to be Alpha. Move away from what is natural....problems. And then create things to compensate for those problems.

You might want to move away from this simpleminded way of thinking. If you have a brain in your head, you will have to realize that we have already moved so far away from "natural" when it comes to every aspect of our society that there is no turning back.

Educated people often prefer other educated people. Academia is also a lifestyle that couples choose to share. Not many highly educated men are actually choosing "hot" women with no education just so they can be "alpha" in their marriage. Haha. Of course there are some who will. I don't know any.

July 5, 2012

well, masters degrees are not for everyone. You must get a 3.0 GPA on a 4.0 scale to graduate. The Master thesis requires much research and is not easy to get. People with master degrees tend to have much lower unemployment rates and higher income prospects. They are more likely to get six figure incomes. As for dating, if people with recent masters degrees can't get dating mates, then who can. they are the cream of the drop and are expected to be very smart and intelligent

Masters degree for a man, increases his dating pool.

Masters degree for a woman, decreases her dating pool.

I know how unfair that sounds as well.

July 5, 2012

Masters degree for a man, increases his dating pool.

Masters degree for a woman, decreases her dating pool.

I know how unfair that sounds as well.

Do you say that because you think women with master's degrees then prefer dating men with master's degrees or higher (thereby decreasing their dating pool), or because you think men generally dislike women with master's degrees (thereby decreasing their dating pool)?

July 5, 2012

You might want to move away from this simpleminded way of thinking. If you have a brain in your head, you will have to realize that we have already moved so far away from "natural" when it comes to every aspect of our society that there is no turning back.

Educated people often prefer other educated people. Academia is also a lifestyle that couples choose to share. Not many highly educated men are actually choosing "hot" women with no education just so they can be "alpha" in their marriage. Haha. Of course there are some who will. I don't know any.

Simple, maybe. Simpleminded, not at all.

I agree that with you that we have already moved so far away from "natural" when it comes to every aspect of our society. Meanwhile the traditional long-term family has been destroyed and cast aside. Dozens of other problems arising from the move away from "natural" with everyone all scrambling for medications, therapies, & answers as to why.

Whether there is turning back or not I do not know. Almost impossible though for many reasons.

Educated people do often prefer other educated people. Especially women. Most will require equal to themselves. It's just not as high a requirement for men.

Doesn't mean a man won't be with an equally educated, or even better educated, woman. But it doesn't matter too much. While there will always be a tipping point and/or exception. in general, men will choose physical attractiveness every time. EVERY time.

I don't know what the percentage of highly educated men are choosing "hot" women with no education. You've combined too things there that are kind of an unfair mix. A lot of "hot" women can be intelligent without much secondary education. Just as someone with a PHd. can be "hot".

I do know one couple that are both doctors. They are often at each others throats. But she is very pretty. Get it?

Know others that where the male has the higher education & earning potential. Their mates are pretty too. Also intelligent. Get it?

The point is that it is not as high a priority on a man's list.

You can make your own conclusion about my brain and what comes from it.

I'm content.

July 5, 2012

Do you say that because you think women with master's degrees then prefer dating men with master's degrees or higher (thereby decreasing their dating pool), or because you think men generally dislike women with master's degrees (thereby decreasing their dating pool)?

A little bit of both. Did I just go PC?

My experience and observation is that women in the majority will prefer equal- too-or better-than in education and earnings potential. And there is NOTHING wrong with that at all.

And that men will never put that much emphasis on it. We don't think like you do and you don't think like us by design. And there is NOTHING wrong with that.

So let's say you are interested in someone, being setup, or even using an internet dating site. You will have a percentage interest in income and education for men whether you or others want to admit it. Normal to do that.

Men's percentage interest in those two qualities will be much lower. Normal to be that way as well.

So therefore, men increase their dating pool with higher income and education.

Women, in the majority do not.

And it can even decrease women's pool of potential mates.

Why?

Because it works hand in hand. If an educated, career minded woman, has the propensity to choose those equal too, or better than, themselves AND men don't place much emphasis on those things thereby increasing their pool-then statistically the woman has DECREASED opportunities.

Doesn't that piss you off!

(Really not looking for arguments per se, just opinions and observations)

Let the flames fly.

July 5, 2012

A Masters degree represents a very high level of education and critical thinking. The type of knowledge is considered prestigious and high level of brilliance. These mates should get the better mates and be prioritized because they are able to solve so many critical thinking issues. If the relationship is having great challenges, they would be able to use their knowledge to solve it. ON THE OTHER WHY HAND, WHY WOULD THEY BE TURNED AWAY for possessing such education credentials. Its even better if its 10 years old or less. They people know and possess way too much stuff to settle for just anything

July 5, 2012

A Masters degree represents a very high level of education and critical thinking. The type of knowledge is considered prestigious and high level of brilliance. These mates should get the better mates and be prioritized because they are able to solve so many critical thinking issues. If the relationship is having great challenges, they would be able to use their knowledge to solve it. ON THE OTHER WHY HAND, WHY WOULD THEY BE TURNED AWAY for possessing such education credentials. Its even better if its 10 years old or less. They people know and possess way too much stuff to settle for just anything

Raises questions for me as well.

What is intelligence? Education? Is the 4+ years the end-all-be-all qualifier?

Brilliance is much too weighted a term to give a person with a Masters or PHd. A "brilliance" description should be reserved for those that are a human anomaly in whatever field these people excel in.

I've met many people with 4 year degrees, Masters, and PHd's. Only 2 come to mind that have a remote chance of being the "brilliant" category. There awesome people to converse with and learn from.

One is on his third marriage. The other I'm not sure but I believe that his is a long-term union.

Others with 4 year, Masters, and even PHd's are not overly impressive at all. I dare say, a good percentage would be ranked dumbass.

But maybe that is a different subject for a different time.

I believe your assessment is from a woman's point of view and what you would like in a partner. Which I agree with.

Again, from the other side, men don't put much value on it. My small explanation as to why it could decrease opportunities for women is a couple of posts above.

Thanks.

July 5, 2012

Masters degree for a man, increases his dating pool.

Masters degree for a woman, decreases her dating pool.

I know how unfair that sounds as well.

It doesn't sound unfair; it sounds lame.

I anticipate that you'll deny this, but I suspect that you don't know many women with advanced degrees, or probably men, either.

I'm sitting here thinking about my circle of friends and acquaintances and it is overflowing with women who have them who are married. Just off the top of my head (women listed first):

Two PHD English professors married to each other

A PHD Anthropology professor married to a photagrapher (I am not sure of his formal education level)

A lawyer married to an elementary school teacher

A PHD archaeologist married to a doctor

A doctor married to a veterinarian

Two veterinarians married to each other

A veterinarian (my sister!) married to a guy who did not graduate from college

Me, married to a guy who did not graduate from college

A nurse practitioner married to an LVN

A software designer with an MA in English Literature married to a software engineer

An MBA married to a carpenter

I could go on and on.

If it actually "decreases" her dating pool, I'm sure that's by her choice - she probably prefers to date educated men. And when you get into the pool of educated men, they are generally compatible with educated women.

I do agree that if a single, young and attractive woman has an advanced degree (more along the lines of a doctorate than a masters, though) and she's hanging around in clubs looking for a boyfriend, she is more likely to meet guys who will fear her accomplishment and evident intelligence, and be threatened by it. This might bug her for a moment in her life, but really, what would a woman like that want with a guy who believed that he needed to date a stupid woman so he could be "alpha"?

Like attracts like.

July 5, 2012

Yeah, I don't think a Master's degree is that big a deal anymore. I don't think too many men are intimidated by it.

July 5, 2012

I have multiple degrees from very well known institutions (i.e. Harvard and Berkeley). I can't say that they increase your dating pool size, but they do change the demographics, and in some cases, make connecting/spark easier. (FYI - I'm a guy)

As some have alluded to - some people select for degrees - in particular those that pay well, so having one of those degrees adds to the dating pool. In the same breadth, some people are intimidated by the degrees/education, and don't really want to date you, so it reduces the dating pool. The end result is a shift in who you can date. My impression is that being more educated swings the dating pool to being more educated - in part due to my tastes, but also who selects me.

That said, with the well known degrees, some women will try much harder to make a connection (i.e. they don't run away very fast, even if things are neutral), so it can be easier to get into a relationship. As mentioned, though, that doesn't necessarily imply more opportunities - in my view, though, it creates better opportunities.

July 5, 2012

I don't really understand all the talk about education on this forum

I've never met a men who cared about whether or not a girl even finished community college and I haven't really even met women who care about that either. I have very well off friends who didn't go to college and opted to go straight into business and they do unbelievably well with women

This forum can be baffling at times

I've rejected several women who haven't finished community college (online, I immediately screen them out, and if I find out they don't have a BS/BA or better, they get major negative points - to the point where they would essentially simply be a sex toy.

In my view - a BS/BA is a requisite. It's a signal, not for intelligence, but for an interest in their future.

July 5, 2012

It doesn't sound unfair; it sounds lame.

I anticipate that you'll deny this, but I suspect that you don't know many women with advanced degrees, or probably men, either.

I'm sitting here thinking about my circle of friends and acquaintances and it is overflowing with women who have them who are married. Just off the top of my head (women listed first):

Two PHD English professors married to each other

A PHD Anthropology professor married to a photagrapher (I am not sure of his formal education level)

A lawyer married to an elementary school teacher

A PHD archaeologist married to a doctor

A doctor married to a veterinarian

Two veterinarians married to each other

A veterinarian (my sister!) married to a guy who did not graduate from college

Me, married to a guy who did not graduate from college

A nurse practitioner married to an LVN

A software designer with an MA in English Literature married to a software engineer

An MBA married to a carpenter

I could go on and on.

If it actually "decreases" her dating pool, I'm sure that's by her choice - she probably prefers to date educated men. And when you get into the pool of educated men, they are generally compatible with educated women.

I do agree that if a single, young and attractive woman has an advanced degree (more along the lines of a doctorate than a masters, though) and she's hanging around in clubs looking for a boyfriend, she is more likely to meet guys who will fear her accomplishment and evident intelligence, and be threatened by it. This might bug her for a moment in her life, but really, what would a woman like that want with a guy who believed that he needed to date a stupid woman so he could be "alpha"?

Like attracts like.

I might be able to go toe to toe with you on people we know, their education, and relationships. On my end there is more divorce and unhappiness though.

We are in agreement in that it decreases her pool-even if it is her choice. It is further decreased because men, in the majority, don't place as much emphasis on the education regardless of their education. And she has no control of that.

Plus in general, women will require same-as or better-than themselves. Just one page over zengirl states that she "would not date a guy without a college degree..." There could be someone out there pouring concrete that said hello to her and she just walked by in silence. Meanwhile he might be intelligent, a good income earner, faithful, etc. But she has screened him out with her education and educational requirements.

Men do it too. Maybe even more superficially. An overweight, intelligent, faithful, etc. woman is gonna' get screened by well educated and not-so-well educated men.

Now I know zengirl does not speak for all women. But that is a quick example in a very small test field (Amount of people in this thread.) that often parallels our larger society.

Not many, if any, good men want to date a "stupid" woman.

And I have never met a man that was ever intimidated or threatened by a woman's education or earning potential. NEVER. This notion somehow gained ground as to be something that some men, all men, weak men...or whatever feel. It is not the case.

Men are not threatened by women's strength, education, intelligence, earning potential. Many don't want to accept that but it is the truth.

We just don't find it attractive like women do.

July 5, 2012

I've rejected several women who haven't finished community college (online, I immediately screen them out, and if I find out they don't have a BS/BA or better, they get major negative points - to the point where they would essentially simply be a sex toy.

In my view - a BS/BA is a requisite. It's a signal, not for intelligence, but for an interest in their future.

Thanks for the input from your position & point of view. I do believe you are in the minority though as far as men and their purposeful or uncontrollable screening process.

July 5, 2012

I'm very liberal in my social views of the world and very liberal in views of an ideal man-woman household. I don't like the idea of a man making all the money and the woman being at home just taking care of the house and the kids. My sister lives this lifestyle, and I, of course, love my sister. I just don't prefer it in general. My other sister works as a lawyer and has kids and a husband. I prefer her way of living.

July 5, 2012

In a perfect world, I would rather make really good money myself and just have my wife take care of the kids and the house

I'm very liberal in my social views of the world but I actually really love the idea of traditional households where the men makes the dough and woman takes care of the house. I just don't like the households where a family has kids and they gotta figure out ways to work around the schedule of the mother

I would want somebody who makes decent money before kids (let's say around the age of 25-28) and then she can go back to work around when the kids can take care of themselves somewhat (maybe when the kids are around 10-12?)

Thank You.

Summed up much better than my posts.

The way most men I know feel as well but don't verbalize it in public because it so unpopular.

It's the way we are supposed to be & have been taught for 50 years that it is wrong to even remotely think this way. And that it is sexist, chauvinistic, and controlling to even talk like this.

When really we just want to go out in the world and kill for our wives and children. Then come home to them. Provide, protect, make happy.

July 5, 2012

I think a lot of men do, in fact, want what is described above. I don't think it makes them bad or chauvinistic (although it might, depending on the spirit in which they have the aforementioned desire). I just think it makes them kind of old-fashioned, which, as I said, isn't evil. Just old-fashioned. I can't relate to it.

I don't even think women should change their last names.

July 5, 2012

I think a lot of men do, in fact, want what is described above. I don't think it makes them bad or chauvinistic (although it might, depending on the spirit in which they have the aforementioned desire). I just think it makes them kind of old-fashioned, which, as I said, isn't evil. Just old-fashioned. I can't relate to it.

I don't even think women should change their last names.

Not in today's times 'cause there going to change it back in less than 8 years!

July 5, 2012

I've rejected several women who haven't finished community college (online, I immediately screen them out, and if I find out they don't have a BS/BA or better, they get major negative points - to the point where they would essentially simply be a sex toy.

In my view - a BS/BA is a requisite. It's a signal, not for intelligence, but for an interest in their future.

I agree completely. For me, the only exception to that is art - musicians, writers, stuff like that.

I found that in general, girls with university education have a plan, an idea what they want to do in life, while many without don't. Obviously there are exceptions to everything, but I do feel that a structured approach to problems solving is one of the major benefits of education, and it shows....

July 5, 2012

I've never met a men who cared about whether or not a girl even finished community college and I haven't really even met women who care about that either. I have very well off friends who didn't go to college and opted to go straight into business and they do unbelievably well with women

For me, it's the opposite. Most of my friends have a Master or a PhD, and are married to, or date people with Masters or PhDs.

Obviously, it's not only because people actively select, but also because the circles you move in, the friendship networks are composed of lots of people you know from university...

July 5, 2012

well, why do such a small share of the population e.g. 7% have a masters degree. its because only a small percent is this capable. A ton of people e.g. 20% of population has a bachelors degree. these are easy to do and no too much critical thinking. there is no major thesis or research project. The testing, writing, and workload is not that great. The master degree requires challenging admission test, work experience many times required, interviews, essay, and many others to get into and you must have a 3.0 GPA or B average in all classes. just because a master program is only 42 credit hours vs 123 for a bachelors degree doesn't mean its easy. The master thesis, grades, writing and research component, and rigor makes it a challenge. many folks only go part time because the workload is intense as opposed to full time for a bachelors degree.

Dating someone with a masters degree is a good option because they be able to help you start a business in area they have skill in and give you a small job or can help you earn your college degree in a related area if you can stay with them long enough. They are so well educated and knowledgeable. There is no reason their dating pool should be anything but large. Why doesn't respect highly educated people. many would suggest blacks would get jealous of another black person with such an education. this may be true and this leads to inter-racial dating and going out for the blacks that have it. many others say they talk too much and hard to control when they get this much education.

July 5, 2012

does anybody here have bachelors or masters DEGREE. will you ever go for a masters degree. if you have a bachelors degree, is your job paying big money or you feel you deserve more

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