Author ThaWholigan Posted July 2, 2012 Author Posted July 2, 2012 That's again more appearance, I imagine presence is more a personality thing ? Presence is certainly indicative of character, and how one brings it across in their appearance. There is something about a girl who absolutely knows she sexy no matter what. It shows in her walk, her movement. It's not the same with every girl like this, but there is usually a unique bounce to their walk that is very enticing. I've become very interested in the body and movement, and I especially like to observe confident women with presence......in a completely non-creepy way :laugh: Generally they have a comfortable expression unique to them, almost as though it's calculated, but it isn't. Sometimes their diction is magnified and expressive - like their talking to your soul, or your mind (or your penis ). I can't really explain it properly. I don't know exactly how a woman can become like this, but I suppose it's all about being comfortable about oneself and their own presence. There are augments of course. I've heard a few say that functional workouts/stretches can help with movement (Rob Brinded wrote it in his book as well, but his book is aimed at men - go figure). I will try to look into this more once I have more time in my life to study this and talk about it more, but there is a way that women and men can do this. My old crush (looked very similar) had that same kind of presence. She had a very seductive voice (singer ), and her walk was very forthright. She was a little bit tomboyish sometimes, but she seemed comfortable with it and I liked it a lot. Her expression was playful and almost dramatized, but never insincerely or in a fake way.
LittlePrince Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I actually like girls who are sweet and feminine without knowing they are sexy. The more humble the better It is easier to be humble when you are homely.
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 It is easier to be humble when you are homely. This is a good point. Is an ugly girl being humble when she admits she's ugly, or just being realistic? Is it only "humble" when the girl is hot? Is a girl being humble only attractive when she's already attractive?
LittlePrince Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I want them to look like pornstars and be humble Is that so hard to find? :laugh: Well pornstars are pretty homely.
LittlePrince Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Is an ugly girl being humble when she admits she's ugly Women who tend to admit that are just compliment fishing. When a man says it he tends to say it as a statement of fact and nothing more.
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Women who tend to admit that are just compliment fishing. When a man says it he tends to say it as a statement of fact and nothing more. Wow, ugly girls really can't win. If they admit they're ugly, they're compliment fishing, but if they DON'T admit it, they're delusional. Geez.
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I would say the most attractive personality traits in a girl are 4 things 1)Sweet/Warm 2)Smart 3)Humble 4)Classy if you have those 4 things, you're maximizing your appeal to men on that level And look like a porn star. Again, doesn't being humble depend on the girl being attractive? How can an ugly girl be humble about her looks??
LittlePrince Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 1)Sweet/Warm Like a baked good? 2)Smart Like a trick monkey? 3)Humble Like that pie? 4)Classy Like a peanut with a monocle?
LittlePrince Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Wow, ugly girls really can't win. If they admit they're ugly, they're compliment fishing, but if they DON'T admit it, they're delusional. Geez. Women are just delusional. Attractiveness doesn't matter. Perhaps some women might be able to say it as just a statement of fact but most use it to get attention.
LittlePrince Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I was obviously joking in my posts on this page. I thought the smileys gave it away but yea, believe what you want. Guys ONLY want pornstar babes. The 5% of women on this planet who are super hot are getting 100% of the men while the other 95% of women are all sitting home alone on Friday nights I mean isn't that what you've convinced yourself? Women have it so rough ;(
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I was obviously joking in my posts on this page. I thought the smileys gave it away but yea, believe what you want. Guys ONLY want pornstar babes. The 5% of women on this planet who are super hot are getting 100% of the men while the other 95% of women are all sitting home alone on Friday nights I mean isn't that what you've convinced yourself? No, but I have it upon good authority from guys on this board that it means the guys without pornstar babes are settling. Besides, I think you underestimate the percentage of pornstar babes. There are quite a lot of female posters on this board who are fantastic looking, I'd say just as good as any woman in porn if not better. I'd put the percentage of "pornstar" girls at something higher than 5%... maybe like 40%? Obviously this changes depending on age range, but I look around at my peers (mid-to-late-20's) and nearly every single girl I see is uniquely gorgeous. I can easily believe the guy on the arm of those girls thinks he has a prize, because he usually does!
mesmerized Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Presence is certainly indicative of character, and how one brings it across in their appearance. There is something about a girl who absolutely knows she sexy no matter what. It shows in her walk, her movement. It's not the same with every girl like this, but there is usually a unique bounce to their walk that is very enticing. I've become very interested in the body and movement, and I especially like to observe confident women with presence......in a completely non-creepy way :laugh: Generally they have a comfortable expression unique to them, almost as though it's calculated, but it isn't. Sometimes their diction is magnified and expressive - like their talking to your soul, or your mind (or your penis ). I can't really explain it properly. I don't know exactly how a woman can become like this, but I suppose it's all about being comfortable about oneself and their own presence. There are augments of course. I've heard a few say that functional workouts/stretches can help with movement (Rob Brinded wrote it in his book as well, but his book is aimed at men - go figure). I will try to look into this more once I have more time in my life to study this and talk about it more, but there is a way that women and men can do this. My old crush (looked very similar) had that same kind of presence. She had a very seductive voice (singer ), and her walk was very forthright. She was a little bit tomboyish sometimes, but she seemed comfortable with it and I liked it a lot. Her expression was playful and almost dramatized, but never insincerely or in a fake way. Yes, my presence can certainly be improved, but I bet it wouldn't work as well as changing myself appearance wise. If I starve myself to death and then get implants in two places + facial plastic surgery(ies), that would be the way to go to improve everything
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I know women who I would rate a 3/10 on appearance in great relationships Stop the nonsense please. You're the female equivalent of men who think that they need to be millionaires to get a girl. The fact is that you would probably suffer just as much as you do now if you were magically transformed into looking like Dani Daniels or Malena Morgan because your insecurities would still make it impossible for men to tolerate you If I looked like the women you mentioned why the heck would I have insecurities? And no, I'm not the equivalent, because I don't think a woman needs "millions." But I DO think she has to be physically attractive. Is this not something that nearly everyone has agreed on?? So, if you are NOT physically attractive, then you have a serious uphill battle. Yeah, you know some women. Some people get lucky in life. It's the equivalent of saying "men don't need to have millions to get women, but they should have a job." I think people would agree this is a perfectly logical position to have.
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Ok now I think you're just trolling You think beautiful women are all 100% secure? What planet do you live on? No, I don't think they're all secure.... but I DO think beautiful women who are insecure are insane. So, if I looked like they did, I would need to be insane as well in order to be insecure.
mesmerized Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Natural Bs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake Ds Surgery sucks, please stay natural. Natural is best So you're ok with me starving myself to death part?
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I'm about 99.9999% sure that being beautiful would not make you any less insecure than you are now Happiness and self worth/self esteem are internal mechanisms, they can't be achieved by superficial things I went from being fat to looking like a fitness model coverboy and it's taken me years and years to fight off my low self esteem/self worth and confidence when it comes to women. I still battle it pretty much everyday ... Well then you're insane. *Shrugs* Sorry, not sure why on Earth you would feel insecure about your looks when you're gorgeous. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. If you'd really like to test your theory, give me money for cosmetic surgery and we'll see if I feel less insecure after I'm prettier!
Author ThaWholigan Posted July 2, 2012 Author Posted July 2, 2012 I actually like girls who are sweet and feminine without knowing they are sexy. The more humble the better A girl can be humble and still know she is sexy. That's often part of the appeal. I want them to look like pornstars and be humble Is that so hard to find? :laugh: Not THAT hard.....maybe a little difficult, but sometimes it takes the right man to bring it out of a woman - in my opinion anyway. Yes, my presence can certainly be improved, but I bet it wouldn't work as well as changing myself appearance wise. If I starve myself to death and then get implants in two places + facial plastic surgery(ies), that would be the way to go to improve everything I know you don't mean that I've seen conventionally hot, thin blonde girls get passed over for the sexy size 16 brunette too many times to even contemplate being wrong about this
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 You just don't understand human psychology. Self worth and self esteem comes from within, not from outside validation. There are a ton of good looking people who are insecure Yeah, and they're insane. Oh to have a body-switching device, so they could know what it's ACTUALLY like to be ugly. Hookie had a thread about this a while ago... there is some severe disagreement about where self-esteem comes from. It doesn't all come from within. Self-esteem and self-worth are strongly tied to how we were treated as children, by our parents, by our peers. No one comes into the world self-hating... it's created by the environment around us. Again, I wouldn't feel insecure if I was beautiful, because my insecurity comes from being ugly. If you took away the ugly, you take away the insecurity. Simple. Back to my original question though: is "humble" only attractive when the girl is hot? If she's ugly, can you really call that humble? How can an ugly girl be humble?
mesmerized Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 ... Well then you're insane. *Shrugs* Sorry, not sure why on Earth you would feel insecure about your looks when you're gorgeous. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. If you'd really like to test your theory, give me money for cosmetic surgery and we'll see if I feel less insecure after I'm prettier! I think when it comes to women, you always think that no matter how good you are there is always someone better out there. That's why a lot of women are insecure no matter how gorgeous they are.
USMCHokie Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 You just don't understand human psychology. Self worth and self esteem comes from within, not from outside validation. There are a ton of good looking people who are insecure Strongly disagree. There has to be some external validation in your life to provide the foundation for that "self-esteem." I improved my appearance on a gigantic level and it's taken me 5 years of struggle to get my confidence from non existent to a little below average nowadays. I wouldn't even consider my confidence average nowadays A little below average...? So what would it take to increase it more? A girlfriend? External validation at its finest.
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I think when it comes to women, you always think that no matter how good you are there is always someone better out there. That's why a lot of women are insecure no matter how gorgeous they are. .... Yeah that still strikes me as insane. If you're part of the "gorgeous" crowd, my God, just appreciate it. Maybe it would help their self-esteem if they were uglified for a few weeks? Then they could stop being insecure, because they'd know what it's really like to have problems with one's looks.
Author ThaWholigan Posted July 2, 2012 Author Posted July 2, 2012 I think when it comes to women, you always think that no matter how good you are there is always someone better out there. That's why a lot of women are insecure no matter how gorgeous they are. Sad, but true. If more women were comfortable with their own self and their bodies, they would be 10 times hotter
verhrzn Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Sad, but true. If more women were comfortable with their own self and their bodies, they would be 10 times hotter Uh. No. I ask again: is it really "humble" if an ugly girl isn't vain about her looks?? What does she have to be humble about? I think we need to draw a clear distinction: women who are uncomfortable in their bodies and shouldn't be (because they are gorgeous.) THESE women would increase their attractiveness level by just knocking off their insane insecurities. Then there's the other group, of women who are uncomfortable in their bodies because their bodies are actually ugly. Being accepting of this is NOT going to make the women more attractive. You can't be "sexy" with ugliness. You can't be "humble" about being unappealing. 1
USMCHokie Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 My point is that external validation can't be the basis for your self esteem Yes we all need validation to feel good about ourselves - that's just human nature. The reason good looking people feel insecure about themselves is because they base their entire self worth on external validation and then they feel insecure whenever they see a better looking person I think we are talking two slightly different things here...when I say external validation, I mean any sort of feedback from another person that affects you in some way...for example, if someone laughs at your joke, that's external validation...or if someone agrees to go out with you, external validation...or if someone sleep with you, external validation...and the list goes on... I take it you are referring to affirmation of your physical attributes and nothing more...
USMCHokie Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Sad, but true. If more women were comfortable with their own self and their bodies, they would be 10 times hotter Come on brother, I can't in good conscience agree with your romanticized view here...but you and I both know that we just have to agree to disagree... 1
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