Feelsgoodman Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 In my view, it is a kind of mental disability when a woman does not want to have kids. Procreation is the reason women are around in the first place. If there was no need for child birth and human fetuses grew on trees, everyone would be a man (as men are, on average, stronger and more intelligent than women and thus would have an evolutionary advantage). So when a woman chooses to reject her primary purpose in life, it certainly does not reflect positively on the state of her mental health. 1
Disenchantedly Yours Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 In my view, it is a kind of mental disability when a woman does not want to have kids. Procreation is the reason women are around in the first place. If there was no need for child birth and human fetuses grew on trees, everyone would be a man (as men are, on average, stronger and more intelligent than women and thus would have an evolutionary advantage). So when a woman chooses to reject her primary purpose in life, it certainly does not reflect positively on the state of her mental health. I actually think people that know themselves well enough to know if having kids are for them or not, man or woman, are actually making positive, intelligent life choices. There are so many people in the world that simply shouldn't have kids. People that abuse their kids, can't support their kids..a whole bunch of things. People with mental illenesses are even able to have kids. If having kids alone was a predictor of a sound mind, the world would be a much different place. There is more to life then having children though. And everyone in life has a different purpose. Some people feel they have a calling to be teachers, others to be lawyers, others to be doctors. Thank goodness we aren't all the same. Sometimes people have such busy lives that kids don't fit. But that doesn't mean they are mentally ill, man or woman. You do know that women can't have children without men right? So if procreation is the reason women are around, the procreation is the reason men around too.
MaxNoob Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 In my view, it is a kind of mental disability when a woman does not want to have kids. Procreation is the reason women are around in the first place. If there was no need for child birth and human fetuses grew on trees, everyone would be a man (as men are, on average, stronger and more intelligent than women and thus would have an evolutionary advantage). So when a woman chooses to reject her primary purpose in life, it certainly does not reflect positively on the state of her mental health. The cause of life and purpose of life are separate concepts. If everyone had kids, our consumption of resources would soon surpass the planet's ability to generate resources, leading to our downfall.
Pierre Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 So, Pierre, what is your "correct" answer? People should want children (I'm getting the impression that your normative position is that people should want children) because [...fill in the blank...] As I quoted above: Many posters feel they are highly unqualified to have children. Therefore, these folks should not have children. I applaud those that recognize their limitations. Evolution drives the desire for procreation and we cannot help that. However, some folks can ignore the so-called drive to mate and procreate. BTW, some posters that do not want children stated they would have children if they found the right mate. There is only one reason SEX feels so GOOD. It feels GOOD because nature wants us to procreate.
Pierre Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 A woman that does not desire children is significantly reducing her dating pool.
Feelsgoodman Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 The cause of life and purpose of life are separate concepts. If everyone had kids, our consumption of resources would soon surpass the planet's ability to generate resources, leading to our downfall. That's a separate issue and it's happening anyway. Our planet can only support 10 billion people max and will be there around 2050. What happens next is anyone's guess.
RedRobin Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 A woman that does not desire children is significantly reducing her dating pool. I was always ok adopting, being a foster mom, or step-parent with a man who wanted to be an equal co-parent... which implies he shares the child-raising duties. Still am. I have no tolerance for men who think that providing an income and being 'fun-time' dad when it is convenient for him = responsible fatherhood. My ex wanted me to have kids, but he wanted me to take on the majority of child care duties while he pursued his career goals unencumbered. Sorry. No deal.
Pierre Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 My ex wanted me to have kids, but he wanted me to take on the majority of child care duties while he pursued his career goals unencumbered. Sorry. No deal. The Earth is still populated with traditional men:cool:. Seriously, it is a blessing for a small child to grow up with a full time mom until he can go to school. Sure, this requires the mom to stop working for 4-5 years while dad goes out to earn a living. My mom worked all her life, but took time off when we were born. I don't see that as a loss of honor.. Marriage is supposed to be a unit. 1
RedRobin Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 The Earth is still populated with traditional men:cool:. Seriously, it is a blessing for a small child to grow up with a full time mom until he can go to school. Sure, this requires the mom to stop working for 4-5 years while dad goes out to earn a living. My mom worked all her life, but took time off when we were born. I don't see that as a loss of honor.. Marriage is supposed to be a unit. I strongly agree that nothing replaces having a parent look after them for the first few years. Towards that end, I offered to support him to stay home for that period, or split the duties since he wanted them so badly and was doing the bait and switch (He told me before we got married he didn't want kids. He said I should go first... I balked at that too, because I knew full well he'd find a way to bail after the kid was already here. I was willing to go forward if he agreed to stay home first and/or stay home with them the whole time. Since he wasn't willing to do either one, that showed me he wasn't all that serious about being a father. Not really. He just wanted me to reproduce for him. Big difference. Not long afterwards, he cheated on me when I followed through with the plans we agreed to before we got married. So, good riddance to him. I think more women should press for men to agree to take some tangible career hits if they want to be a father... Simply providing an income isn't sufficient... because he'd do that no matter if he was a father or not. It is no big deal.
MaxNoob Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 That's a separate issue and it's happening anyway. Our planet can only support 10 billion people max and will be there around 2050. What happens next is anyone's guess. Then why do parents have this condescending attitude towards people who are child free, and insist that we must have kids? Just because that's our biology and we must be a slave to it? Why? No point in having a conscious mind to make our own decisions? If someone decides that their primary purpose in life is to make the world a better place for others, you would call them mentally disabled? If there were no such people, and the world was a terrible place, if it was overpopulated, and life wasn't worth living, then there would be no purpose in creating more life. 1
Pierre Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 I strongly agree that nothing replaces having a parent look after them for the first few years. Towards that end, I offered to support him to stay home for that period, or split the duties since he wanted them so badly and was doing the bait and switch (He told me before we got married he didn't want kids. He said I should go first... I balked at that too, because I knew full well he'd find a way to bail after the kid was already here. I was willing to go forward if he agreed to stay home first and/or stay home with them the whole time. Since he wasn't willing to do either one, that showed me he wasn't all that serious about being a father. Not really. He just wanted me to reproduce for him. Big difference. Not long afterwards, he cheated on me when I followed through with the plans we agreed to before we got married. So, good riddance to him. I think more women should press for men to agree to take some tangible career hits if they want to be a father... Simply providing an income isn't sufficient... because he'd do that no matter if he was a father or not. It is no big deal. I see your point. No point in having kids with someone that cheats. Have a great weekend. I always enjoy your posts!
RedRobin Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 Have a great weekend. I always enjoy your posts! you too! Congrats again on being a father soon.
Feelsgoodman Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 Then why do parents have this condescending attitude towards people who are child free, and insist that we must have kids? Just because that's our biology and we must be a slave to it? Why? No point in having a conscious mind to make our own decisions? If someone decides that their primary purpose in life is to make the world a better place for others, you would call them mentally disabled? If there were no such people, and the world was a terrible place, if it was overpopulated, and life wasn't worth living, then there would be no purpose in creating more life. I guess it's natural for people to see those who fail to pass on their genes to future generations as evolutionary failures.
Ross MwcFan Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 I guess it's natural for people to see those who fail to pass on their genes to future generations as evolutionary failures. No need to put them down for it and to be rude towards them.
Author Leigh 87 Posted June 29, 2012 Author Posted June 29, 2012 feelsgoodman and any otehr poster who thinks less of women who do not want kids GET THE FEK OUT OF MY THREAD. I asked people who DO NOT want children, WHY they do not want children. I did ask you pr*cks to speculate about the types of women who do not want kids. Make your own thread about how women are inferior if they do not want kids. I know women who are terrible people, un kind, boring, no fun, who have kids; I am much better quality than an unkind women who is boring to be around and abusive, yet I don't want kids. I do not want kids, and I am PROUD to say that I am a better women, than a terrible person who abuses her kids and husband who does want kids. YOU men who think there is somethiing wrong with us for not wwanting kids have something wrong WITH YOU. Monogomy is not natural, apparently, yet people do it anyway; likewise, it is natural for some women to want kids, where as it is not a strong instinct for other women, and they can easily override their biologival urges. I am not all that maternal. When I was 20 I thought about it, but since then I have not felt the least bit maternal. I cannot financially provide for my kids, and will not be able to for the next ten years. I will be 35 or older b the time I can financiall provide for a kid, so why should I go through IVF and spend the money I need for a baby, just to try to concieve naturally. Doctors told me that because of my hormonal issue and my past eating disorder, that to concieve I would have to start when I am young and fetile, or to NOT BOTHER AT ALL. That's right - SOME WOMEN DO NO HAVE A GOD DAMN CHOICE. My choice to have kids naturally is actually 80% taken away from me, becasue of my body. If I do not have a kid NOW, I will likely never have them when I am older, I have been told. Even to have kids NOW, when I am 25, the doctors tell me I would need A LOT of drugs just to get me to concieve - and I would also need to gain about 20 pounds before I could even get pregnant. Now, If my body was better able to have kids, I met the right man, and I was financially able to AFFORD a kid - sure, if I was maternal I would think about it. You guys can go jump, your so rude and IGNORANT on the issue of children, who are YOU to tell me that I am mentally retarded, or selfish for not wanting kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4
seachangeoflove Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 In my view, it is a kind of mental disability when a woman does not want to have kids. Procreation is the reason women are around in the first place. If there was no need for child birth and human fetuses grew on trees, everyone would be a man (as men are, on average, stronger and more intelligent than women and thus would have an evolutionary advantage). So when a woman chooses to reject her primary purpose in life, it certainly does not reflect positively on the state of her mental health. I don't know what is more pathetic. You or the people who will respond seriously to your trolling. 3
veggirl Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 Pierre knocked up a chick he is not married to? Weird that doesn't even seem like it lines up with anything he preaches. 3
zengirl Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 In my view, it is a kind of mental disability when a woman does not want to have kids. Procreation is the reason women are around in the first place. If there was no need for child birth and human fetuses grew on trees, everyone would be a man (as men are, on average, stronger and more intelligent than women and thus would have an evolutionary advantage). So when a woman chooses to reject her primary purpose in life, it certainly does not reflect positively on the state of her mental health. Technically, the original purpose of ALL organic life is to reproduce, I guess. Men and women included. Yet we've evolved, culturally, beyond our physical structures, so it's no surprise that individual desires mirror that as well. I imagine if our species was in danger of under population or extinction (hardly!), there would be more concern towards everyone having kids. A woman that does not desire children is significantly reducing her dating pool. Perhaps. Though I know lots of men who don't want kids these days. Either way, you're reducing your dating pool if you have a strong opinion, I'd think.
chrissylee Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I have never had any desire to have kids. I really can't understand what so great about them. 1.you lose freedom 2.they are expensive 3.9 months of hell followed by labor 4.you lose sleep I have many more reasons but those are just a few. I think when people who have kids treat people who don't want kids as if they are inferior, then they are just doing it because they secretly are jealous of all the freedom the childless person has. 1
Pierre Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I have never had any desire to have kids. I really can't understand what so great about them. 1.you lose freedom 2.they are expensive 3.9 months of hell followed by labor 4.you lose sleep I have many more reasons but those are just a few. I think when people who have kids treat people who don't want kids as if they are inferior, then they are just doing it because they secretly are jealous of all the freedom the childless person has. The problem is that the reasons given sound selfish. Furthermore, I would bet that if you told a dog lover that you do not like dogs he or she would be offended.
stillafool Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 you too! Congrats again on being a father soon. Yes Pierre, congratulations on becoming a dad. I think you will make a great father.
chrissylee Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 The problem is that the reasons given sound selfish. Furthermore, I would bet that if you told a dog lover that you do not like dogs he or she would be offended. Maybe...but I don't like kids. I never have. Nothing is more annoying then the sound of a baby screaming to me. I don't see anything selfish about not wanting kids. Why should I have to have them? I love cats and dogs and I don't get offened by people who don't like them. They don't like them....well its probably better if they don;t have one then. 1
Pierre Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I love cats and dogs and I don't get offened by people who don't like them. Do childless people replace kids with cats and dogs?
tigressA Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I'm scared to death of the idea of being entirely responsible for the life of another human being. I don't think I would live up to it at all, which is why I'm choosing to not have children. Plus, I'm uneasy/awkward around children. I never know what to do with them. 1
Sid6.7 Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 The problem is that the reasons given sound selfish. Furthermore, I would bet that if you told a dog lover that you do not like dogs he or she would be offended. What? It sounds selfish according to you, and you alone. In other words you disagree with every valid point that was made based on your beliefs and current outlook. And they were valid points by the way. I don't want kids either and there is a huge difference between being selfish and having self interest. Good luck with your crumb cruncher.
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