Crusoe Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Do you think women have any responsibility in this? No, I think there are a lot of lazy w*nkers in the world.
Woggle Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think people have been heavily brainwashed from all sides for decades, and are starting to go crazy and turn into robots. Have you looked around lately? So many people just look like they have no soul. I try to do little things to stimulate their humanity again - like smiling at them. But some of them just look lost, gone... absent. Men and women are going crazy. Are there things women can do to get more sane again? Of course. But this thread is about porn, a vice that primarily corrupts men (though this is changing fast), so that's what we're talking about. I know it is about porn but the fact that many men prefer it over dating real women says something about the women many men have to deal with in the dating world. Ask most men even ten years ago if they preferred porn over a real woman and they would have laughed at you so what changed? Porn just doesn't give us the drama that many modern day women do and I think men have simply had it up to here with the state of modern day relationships. My coworker just got done with a nasty divorce and he says that all that crap could have been avoided if he just learned to please himself.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 This kind of thing helps indirectly as well. Women can sense a man's level of self-respect. Respect is an interesting thing, either its existence or lack is not really a choice. If someone does something difficult and worthwhile, you can't help but respect that person. That includes yourself. Conversely, if a person wastes time on useless pursuits like porn, it is a natural human response to respect that person less, even if it's yourself. Men, it's your choice how you spend your time. Ask yourself though what you want your life to be about and remember that what your life is about is determined by the way you spend the hours of your week and what you direct your effort towards. Scott Excellent post, Scott It makes me very happy to talk to men who get it. I thought there were none of you left. I'm so glad there are.
Woggle Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 When women start showing empathy for men's concerns and the issues we deal with in relationships is when I will start being concerned about porn. I really do get why women have an issue with porn and I don't blame but many men also have legitimate issues yet women don't seem to care so why should I care about porn?
Titanwolf Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 It's upsetting to see how far men have fallen. I watch occasionally watch historical based films such as 300 and and compare them to the men of today and I feel so disappointed. Inb4someonesaysitsjustamovie. The point is, men today lack confidence, they've allowed themselves to become weak-minded and lazy, never striving to achieve the things that provides nourishment for the soul, the things that money can't buy. Love, adventure and all that jazz is only a passing thought, as they wait for their video to buffer on youjizz . 2
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I know it is about porn but the fact that many men prefer it over dating real women says something about the women many men have to deal with in the dating world. Ask most men even ten years ago if they preferred porn over a real woman and they would have laughed at you so what changed? Porn just doesn't give us the drama that many modern day women do and I think men have simply had it up to here with the state of modern day relationships. My coworker just got done with a nasty divorce and he says that all that crap could have been avoided if he just learned to please himself. Like I said, men and women are going crazy. I have to deal with a bunch of crazy men, just like you guys have to deal with a bunch of crazy women. As daunting as it may be, I would rather try to have a positive influence on crazy people, rather than give up on them and wall myself in with my drug of choice. In spite of all our flaws and folly, I love people and believe in our power to be strong, worthwhile human beings. For much of the past few years, after my last breakup, I did wall myself in, smoke too much weed, indulge in pointless cynical thinking that let me stay stuck... but eventually, I put down those time-wasting vices and got out into the world again. And I'm very glad I did.
Desinova Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I don't think many normal men are picking porn over real women. There must be some seriously broken in the relationship for that to happen. I would be willing to bet that most guys who are heavy porn users can't any women or can't get women who are as attractive as porn stars.
AD1980 Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 It's upsetting to see how far men have fallen. I watch occasionally watch historical based films such as 300 and and compare them to the men of today and I feel so disappointed. Inb4someonesaysitsjustamovie. The point is, men today lack confidence, they've allowed themselves to become weak-minded and lazy, never striving to achieve the things that provides nourishment for the soul, the things that money can't buy. Love, adventure and all that jazz is only a passing thought, as they wait for their video to buffer on youjizz . And women are perfect? maybe you should improve yourselves as well instead of expecting Men to act like fictional characters on tv that are your white knight and sweep you off your feet while you do nothing
somedude81 Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 When the day comes that I can get a virtual BJ while watching porn, I'll choose it over women any time. Until then, I'm stuck with real girls.
Woggle Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Like I said, men and women are going crazy. I have to deal with a bunch of crazy men, just like you guys have to deal with a bunch of crazy women. As daunting as it may be, I would rather try to have a positive influence on crazy people, rather than give up on them and wall myself in with my drug of choice. In spite of all our flaws and folly, I love people and believe in our power to be strong, worthwhile human beings. For much of the past few years, after my last breakup, I did wall myself in, smoke too much weed, indulge in pointless cynical thinking that let me stay stuck... but eventually, I put down those time-wasting vices and got out into the world again. And I'm very glad I did. You have more faith than I do. If women started to show the slightest bit of empathy for the issues men face today I really would be a whole lot more sympathetic to the porn thing.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 You have more faith than I do. If women started to show the slightest bit of empathy for the issues men face today I really would be a whole lot more sympathetic to the porn thing. What are your grievances? Believe me, I see what bitches women can be, and I do feel sorry for the men who have to deal with them. Everybody has to rise to their higher nature, at least a little, if we're going to get anywhere. Men and women. Human beings!
Woggle Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 What are your grievances? Believe me, I see what bitches women can be, and I do feel sorry for the men who have to deal with them. Everybody has to rise to their higher nature, at least a little, if we're going to get anywhere. Men and women. Human beings! Just read any thread on here by a man going through some stuff. I see so many good men just getting like crap by women who always seem to have a you go girl cheering section yet men get all the blame for the state of affairs. I don't even blame it all on women but things are not one sided.
Desinova Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 What are your grievances? Believe me, I see what bitches women can be, and I do feel sorry for the men who have to deal with them. Everybody has to rise to their higher nature, at least a little, if we're going to get anywhere. Men and women. Human beings! My grievances aren't with women, it is more with society and media. Society has changed and with that so have peoples expectations. Back in the day it meant something for a guy to ask out a girl. It was a big deal. Now women get asked out all the time so it means nothing. With OLD women have so much choice that if a man shows interest in a woman it holds no value because, some other guy is going to be coming along. It anybody's fault that women have many more options than guys nowadays, but it does make things more troublesome for average guys.
Algermas Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 The thing is while sex is a superior experience most of the time what comes after is almost not worth the trouble. With your hand you don't have to listen to it complain, you don't have to pretend to care about its feelings and how its friends are doing. For many men the whole thing surrounding sex ( the rest of the relationship ) is merely the price of admission.
Titanwolf Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) And women are perfect? maybe you should improve yourselves as well instead of expecting Men to act like fictional characters on tv that are your white knight and sweep you off your feet while you do nothing I am male. Of course I'm not saying that women are perfect, but that doesn't excuse you for being a ****ty man (generally speaking). If only I had a time machine, I could show you a different era of men. Men that'd make you question yourself. There's a lot to be learnt from history and I don't reject such a fantastic teacher. Be all the man you can be, charisma and confidence are contagious and the woman you eventually find, will love you for it. Edited June 26, 2012 by Titanwolf 1
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I am male. Of course I'm not saying that women are perfect, but that doesn't excuse you for being a ****ty man (generally speaking). If only I had a time machine, I could show you a different era of men. Men that'd make you question yourself. There's a lot to be learnt from history and I don't reject such a fantastic teacher. Be all the man you can be, charisma and confidence are contagious and the woman you eventually find, will love you for it. Exactly. Why are men so unwilling to examine their own habits and choices, and so quick to shift blame to women? If someone points out my flaws, as long as they're respectful, I listen to what they're saying and consider if their arguments have any merit. I don't immediately jump to blaming someone else (men, my dad, society, whatever) for what I'm doing wrong or how I'm falling short. The only person I can change or improve is myself. 1
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Just read any thread on here by a man going through some stuff. I see so many good men just getting like crap by women who always seem to have a you go girl cheering section yet men get all the blame for the state of affairs. I don't even blame it all on women but things are not one sided. Can you give one example?
Woggle Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Can you give one example? Just look at the divorce forum. What the men go through on there makes my blood boil.
Algermas Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I am male. Of course I'm not saying that women are perfect, but that doesn't excuse you for being a ****ty man (generally speaking). If only I had a time machine, I could show you a different era of men. Men that'd make you question yourself. There's a lot to be learnt from history and I don't reject such a fantastic teacher. Be all the man you can be, charisma and confidence are contagious and the woman you eventually find, will love you for it. And that was what era? Before... that's right, feminism. I don't see why any man would choose to be like that without getting a pre feminism woman in return.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Just look at the divorce forum. What the men go through on there makes my blood boil. I don't read the divorce forum. Can you summarize one common grievance that men have toward women?
Woggle Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I don't read the divorce forum. Can you summarize one common grievance that men have toward women? Many men there were loving and faithful husbands who went out their way to please their exes but one day she woke up and dumps him because she met some jerk on facebook.
WonderKid Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I like porn because I love sex. But not at a loss of reality though. I would never choose porn over a real woman. I like porn. I like watching other people work. But c'mon to choose it over a real woman is insane to me.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 And that was what era? Before... that's right, feminism. I don't see why any man would choose to be like that without getting a pre feminism woman in return. I grew up right after "women's liberation", and I had no choice in that happening. I am simply a product of the change, like most other people. I've heard the conspiracy theory argument that feminism was engineered by the controlling hyper-wealthy to get women out of the homes, turn them into working slaves like men, and break down the family unit for the ultimate purpose of depopulation, and I can see that point of view. I think the core fight for equal treatment under the law (such as the right to vote) was legitimate. But all noble causes get co-opted and distorted by evil interests, to some degree, and that happened with feminism as it does with everything else. Another thing I talked with this guy about the other day is what a tragedy it is that men are depicted on sitcom TV as stupid losers who can't do anything without their bitchy wife calling the shots. He said he thinks it's sad that a loser like Charlie Sheen on Two and a Half Men is depicted as a winner, just for sleeping around. These are the models of manhood in our society? It's pathetic. He also told me that he's gotten into a bad habit of watching some junk TV lately, which is unusual for him. I had explained to him why I don't watch any low-quality TV - because it's designed to put you in a trance-like state and feed subliminal messages into your brain. I suggested he just pay attention to how he was feeling while watching junk TV, see if he felt like he was in a zombie trance state. The next day, he told me he didn't watch any TV at all, but went to listen to a local band play in the park. He said he felt much better about how he was spending his time. People are waking up more and more, and all these small changes do accumulate. 1
Ruby Slippers Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Many men there were loving and faithful husbands who went out their way to please their exes but one day she woke up and dumps him because she met some jerk on facebook. The disposable culture affects us all. If we want to talk about walkaway wives, we can do that - but it probably calls for another thread. women want the same symmetrical face with perfect jawline. in short women go for the same men. some men get left out so the need for porn. I agree that the heavy emphasis on the physical is a big problem. We talked about this, too - how all these airbrushed, non-real, robot images of people on TV and in ads are ruining people's appreciation for normal beauty. It used to be that just the sight of a woman's thighs could drive a man to distraction. Now, in most cases, that's nowhere near enough. I see most of this as products of the consumer capitalist culture. If you're sad, take your drug of choice and feel happy (or at least numb) right now. If you're bored, throw away your toys into the landfill and buy new ones. If the guy has a less-than-perfect face, overlook him for the Adonis jerk. Men and women have to realize how severely they are being brainwashed and unplug, start thinking for themselves, get back to the natural act of just being human beings. If we can all do a better job of that, things will get better.
seachangeoflove Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Maybe women should ask themselves why many men these days prefer porn to a real life woman. Do you think women have any responsibility in this? Well, I think they are way more into it because it's so much eaiser and cheaper to accerss then ever before. and that is due to the internet and people wanting to make money. Porn is $$$$$$! Even the free stuff cos of ads. If men want porn, that is fine by me that is their choice. Unless it's an addition (and anything can become one, food, drugs, sex etc) then it's not a problem. If I was in a relationship and my man went from wanting me, to wanting porn. HELL YES I'd try to figure out why what ever the reason was. As for 'men' in general as the entire gender? I really don't care what they do or don't want as that is their decision and it doesnt affect me in anyway. Why do people care about "women" or "men" how about realize that people are ****ing god damn people and cannot be judged solely by the parts between their legs? I find this "push for change" hysterical. Change in what? how humans interact? It's never stopped changing....and it won't either. It's called 'progress ' tho the definition is debatable 1
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