TheFinalWord Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 I'm not here for trolling, but I'm snarky, so... Fair enough The bible also advises parents to stone disobedient children. Don't you think the message of tolerance and harmony in parts of the new testament is more important? All scripture is God-breathed and useful for edification as Paul stated, "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" Can you please give the specific verse, context, and exegesis of the scripture you are referencing? The reason I'm asking is b/c a lot of skeptics have very little actual knowledge of the scriptures and instead repeat often cited (and cherry-picked) biblical scriptures from atheist internet sites with absolutely no personal study of their own or contextual knowledge. And you think this is because of the difference in faith? Even before you became a christian? Yes But you tried to change her, to make her give up her previous beliefs and accept yours. I don't think that's right. No, I did not try to change her. I only lived out my own faith. She asked questions like you and I answered. Am I manipulating you right now? It was the same approach.
BetheButterfly Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 . The bible also advises parents to stone disobedient children. Don't you think the message of tolerance and harmony in parts of the new testament is more important? . As a Christian, I do personally believe the message of love in the New Testament, which talks about what Jesus did and said, is more important, even though the Tanakh, or Old Testament, is important as the foundation. Jesus' coming is, according to what Christians believe, to fulfill the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 5:17). Christian is merely a follower of Christ = Messiah = Jesus However, there are many people who do not believe that Jesus is truly the Messiah. One thing I think is very important to note is that Jesus did not teach to kill those who didn't believe in him. Rather, he just focused on the faith of his followers. John 6 NIV - Jesus Feeds the Five Thousand - Some - Bible Gateway "66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. 67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” I personally love that Jesus advocates love and peace. It would be very hard for me personally to follow him if he had advocated hate and war.
utterer of lies Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 Can you please give the specific verse, context, and exegesis of the scripture you are referencing? It's from the fifth book of moses. It's part of moses' idea how a perfect society (or better, the society in the promised land) must be organized in order to please God. It contains many very harsh rules and laws. Infidelity is punishable by death. Infidels and their cities must be annihilated. It's ok to invade a neighboring city, enslave their men and marry their women, and, as mentioned before, parents may demand their children be stoned for disobedience. It's one of the sections where they difference in spirit between the old and the new testament really shows. It's clearly a work of its time, and similar to the Code of Hammurabi and other legislation in many ways. No, I did not try to change her. I only lived out my own faith. She asked questions like you and I answered. Am I manipulating you right now? It was the same approach. Of course you are. But it's ok, I don't mind.
TheFinalWord Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 It's from the fifth book of moses. It's part of moses' idea how a perfect society (or better, the society in the promised land) must be organized in order to please God. It contains many very harsh rules and laws. Infidelity is punishable by death. Infidels and their cities must be annihilated. It's ok to invade a neighboring city, enslave their men and marry their women, and, as mentioned before, parents may demand their children be stoned for disobedience. It's one of the sections where they difference in spirit between the old and the new testament really shows. It's clearly a work of its time, and similar to the Code of Hammurabi and other legislation in many ways. I commend you for doing your own research even if it is a bit of a run-on straw man! Well, you seem like a smart guy/girl (not sure) so I am confident you can find resources that can provide you with Christian responses to your concerns regarding Israeli law, if you want both sides. PM me if you need help finding sites! Of course you are. But it's ok, I don't mind.
utterer of lies Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 I commend you for doing your own research even if it is a bit of a run-on straw man! What? Well, you seem like a smart guy/girl (not sure) so I am confident you can find resources that can provide you with Christian responses to your concerns regarding Israeli law, if you want both sides. Pah. The bloody-minded and cruel parts of the old testament were the only things that made time pass faster back in sunday school as a kid. You might be surprised to know that I've had ~10 years of catholic instruction - and without being raped or even being touched wrong by a priest.
TheFinalWord Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) What? Pah. The bloody-minded and cruel parts of the old testament were the only things that made time pass faster back in sunday school as a kid. You might be surprised to know that I've had ~10 years of catholic instruction - and without being raped or even being touched wrong by a priest. ahh catholic, that explains a lot I don't blame ya for the bitter taste! j/k There's a lot wrong with the church these days...you might be interested this series: Yeah, I have often said that Hollywood should make more bible movies. King David would be a blockbuster. Beheads a giant, commits adultery, gets Bathsheba pregnant, tries to cover it up by having her husband sent to the front lines to be killed in battle, son rapes his daughter, other son tries to steal his kingdom. You can't make this stuff up Anyway, that's cool. I feel bad hijacking the OP's thread. Peace. Edited June 22, 2012 by TheFinalWord
utterer of lies Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 ahh catholic, that explains a lot I don't blame ya for the bitter taste! j/k Oh, don't worry, I'm not catholic anymore. Anyway, that's cool. I feel bad hijacking the OP's thread. Peace. Indeed. To summarize, OP, you should be happy that you found such a great guy, and don't let religion come between you.
ariadne999 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 Of course. Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Don't generalize from yourself to everyone. lol. I was just sharing my experience. isn't that what we're all doing? Did I say everyone was like me? No/. but I am an atheist and have dated 'xtians' and that is how I felt. Sorry if you don't my like my experioence but the OP shoudl know it's a possible scenario.
FitChick Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 It's part of Moses' idea how a perfect society (or better, the society in the promised land) must be organized in order to please God. It contains many very harsh rules and laws. Infidelity is punishable by death. Infidels and their cities must be annihilated. It's ok to invade a neighboring city, enslave their men and marry their women, and, as mentioned before, parents may demand their children be stoned for disobedience. I don't understand why Muslims and Christians hate each other. They seem to believe in the same things. 1
utterer of lies Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 I don't understand why Muslims and Christians hate each other. They seem to believe in the same things. It's like coke vs. pepsi. The differences might seem trivial to most, but fanatical fans of one brand or the other are unwilling or unable to realize that.
Feelin Frisky Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 If you break up and lose the man that makes you happy and face that you may never meet someone again you love as much just be clear that the net effect of your religion is hurt. Identifying with Christianity is not necessarily "spiritual"--millions upon million conflate religious belief with spiritual life. They are not one in the same. Atheist can be extremely spiritual--if tossing off the gobbledygook of religious tradition and getting off one's knees translates into making a positive difference in other people's lives and spreading good will, the atheist is effectively doing the work of a Jesus and no god but an evil one would punish him or her for not choosing the passive life of faith. Don't ask what priest or preachers would approve of--ask that question of what would Jesus do and try to do it. That way you're guaranteed to be in the good graces of god and in your case, forgiving your partner would seem to be the prescription. I hate to see good relationships torn and cast away over religious conditions. It's a sin. 1
BetheButterfly Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 I don't understand why Muslims and Christians hate each other. They seem to believe in the same things. Technically Christians are not supposed to hate anybody, because Jesus specifically said to "...Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." (Luke 6:27-28) The issue between Muslims and Christians is mainly the following, in a nutshell: 1. Muhammad denied that Jesus actually died on the cross, which Christians (followers of Jesus) believe happened, and believe that God (the Father in Heaven) rose him from the dead. 2. Many Muslims believe that the Christians corrupted the Gospel (Good news). 3. Many Christians do not accept Muhammad's claim of being a true prophet, but rather consider him to be one of the false prophets Jesus prophesied about, accounted in Matthew 24:4-14. Regardless, some of my friends are Muslim and they are awesome people who love God and strive to live how they believe is true. They do not hurt/oppress people who believe differently, and they care for those in need. I respect them very much, though I do not agree with everything they believe. They respect me and my family/friends who are Christians, but of course do not agree with everything we believe. That is the beauty of freedom of religion... that people can believe different things and yet still respect each other and help people.
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