Why do you think the whole groupie thing is mostly women?

[dasein]

So, honestly. Do you think that if YOU became involved with a woman, you would need her to keep a "tight rein" on YOU, as well as "dictate" her terms, "tolerate" or not tolerate your behavior? Do you see your own propensity to be faithful as analogous to accessibility to a cookie jar that needs a guardian to assure it's out of the reach of YOUR "wayward hands?"

 

Wouldn't be an issue. I don't have the right to go out late drinking and partying while in an exclusive relationship, and know that. None and I mean -none- of my friends wives allow such, and no woman I've ever been exclusive with would be fine with it. As to the second question, I'm not a woman. Many otherwise fine women turn into jelly when they meet a rich guy or a celebrity. Men generally don't, hence the aptness of the cookie jar analogy as applied to women. But if a woman has a man with a wayward eye, sure, the same analogy applies.

 

Regarding the spam posted here by the OP: Interesting how his cut and paste has given rise to a discussion (lead by you, dasein) about how women need to be handled by men in order to keep their supposedly uncontrollable groupie urges in check.

 

Spam or not, my experience bears out the truth of OP, and it's an important aspect of female nature that all men should be aware of. If a man is lucky enough to find the needle in a haystack woman who doesn't swoon at wealth, power and celebrity, good for him. The sales of tabloids and the female preoccupation with celebrity for celebrity's sake bear out that this is a real cultural issue.

[dasein]

Why is it so popular here on LoveShack for one of a handful of guys to scour the Internet for some news of women behaving "badly" and then bring it here as proof of what scumbags we are as a whole?

 

But wait, where the hell were you when women posted threads about bad male behavior based on stuff from jezebel? Trying to make these types of threads out as common here, the "so popular" part, is a lie. Why is it so popular here to -lie- about the frequency of certain types of threads and certain types of posters?

[dasein]

What is the problem with men? Why do they always need to be the center of attention?

 

Women make up most groupies and will spread their legs for a celebrity, athlete or wealthy guy at the drop of a hat because... wait for it... something is wrong with men.

 

Funniest post of the day. Only on LS. Couldn't make such up if I tried.

[Kamille]

Women make up most groupies and will spread their legs for a celebrity, athlete or wealthy guy at the drop of a hat because... wait for it... something is wrong with men.

 

Funniest post of the day. Only on LS. Couldn't make such up if I tried.

 

I know. Twisted gender-biased posts are hilarious aren't they? You know the best part? You were my inspiration for that spoof post.

 

Now it's my turn to thank you for all the times your twisted logic made me laugh.

[dasein]

I know. Twisted gender-biased posts are hilarious aren't they? You know the best part? You were my inspiration for that spoof post.

 

"Spoof post?" transparent. Readers can certainly decide for themselves.

[Sid6.7]

What I find interesting is after the original post some of the female gender here immediately move to discredit such a post. As if this is somehow a ruse, a storyline of some kind. When in fact it has been an ongoing reality for years.

 

I don't mean to boast but I have money. I do ok. It's amazing how women will thrust themselves at you. I just don't give them a penny of it.

[Kamille]

"Spoof post?" transparent. Readers can certainly decide for themselves.

 

Yes they can:

 

Just for fun, I'll pretend to take these guys seriously.

 

I'd say you have the dynamics all wrong, Stevieboy,

 

Why are their more women groupies?

 

Because men like to be admired. There is so much anecdotal evidence out there that men require admiration above all, that it's a regular theme in "Men-Mars-Books". We all know this means men wouldn't date anyone that was more admirable than them, made more money than them, had more success than them.

 

What is the problem with men? Why do they always need to be the center of attention?

 

You know why you think I'm serious? Because you take your own women-are-evil seriously. You can no longer recognize exaggeration when you see it.

[mortensorchid]

It's a combination of factors. Famous men (professional athletes, movie stars, rock stars, etc.) have women chasing after them, which we all know. It's a double standard because it's considered socially acceptable for man to have groupie women chasing after them, and many women do it publically or semi publically. As for famous women (of any of above said professions) there are male groupies who chase after them, as fans. Look at metal bands (ex. Metallica) or professional sports fans, most of their fans are men. They adore them without having sex with them. But as for the men groupies who chase a famous woman, it's a smaller number of them but they do exist.

[dasein]

You know why you think I'm serious?

 

I read the post, intent was clear. My reading comprehension is just fine.

[Kamille]

I read the post, intent was clear. My reading comprehension is just fine.

 

Your self-righteousness continues to amuse.

 

You may now have the last word. I suspect it matters more to you than it does to me.

[carhill]

I got a chance to see some of this in real life up close while married and IMO most of the 'why' came down to competitiveness between individual women or groups of women. I recall some real nastygrams leveled at myself and my exW because we could travel to enjoy the presence of her 'groupie' idol. Funny thing for me was, when he got married, there was a literal shyte-storm of rage and vitriol spewed at his wife, also a celebrity, and all from women. Fascinating. I guess that's an experience I needed to have to get to the place where I value my solitude and non-celebrity immensely

 

Oh, forgot to add that I developed my own 'groupies' because I had information that they wanted regarding whereabouts of their idol. Once I dried that up, I was out like yesterday's newspaper.

Edited June 18, 2012 by carhill

[TheBigQuestion]

Only on LS would so many posters actually deny that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac for women. It's why Henry Kissinger of all people became a sex symbol in the 70s. He was ugly as sin and arguably a war criminal, but a substantial amount of women couldn't get enough of him.

 

Sure, the OP is clearly trying to get a rise out of people because what he quoted is not something his friend wrote but a famous internet story, but it doesn't make the underlying theme any less pertinent. A lot of the times, posts like that are made only to see who will actually concede that a significant portion of the population behaves accordingly without a bunch of people trying to distract from the issue or make excuses for it.

 

Try bringing up the fact that many women, dare I say the majority, are primarily interested in high-earning men. Most female LS regulars will respond by saying that they've dated men who worked in retail or who had jobs that paid piss-poor salaries. Peruse their other posts and you'll observe that not only are the men they are dating/married to PRESENTLY wealthy, but also out-earn them by a substantial margin.

 

A brief conversation I had with my girlfriend today reinforced what dasein was saying in the sense that I believe I've picked one of the "good" ones. We were sitting on the couch and reading with the TV on as white noise. This show about "gypsy weddings" came on and our conversation turned to weddings. She said she thought it was ridiculous that people actually spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on weddings, engagement rings, and so forth. "If anything, I'm getting married, so everyone should be paying for me to get s***faced, not the other way around," she said. She talked about how that money should instead go towards a down payment on a house or to pay off student loan debt. You have no idea how refreshing it is to hear a woman who speaks this way rather than having childish obsessions with fairy-tale weddings.

 

That and many other things about my girlfriend make me pretty confident that she won't be "upgrading" me any time soon, but I also don't delude myself into thinking that most women are like her.

[Mme. Chaucer]

But wait, where the hell were you when women posted threads about bad male behavior based on stuff from jezebel? Trying to make these types of threads out as common here, the "so popular" part, is a lie. Why is it so popular here to -lie- about the frequency of certain types of threads and certain types of posters?

 

Well, I don't recall seeing those specific posts relating to "Jezebel," whatever that is. It must have been a long time ago, since I do (obviously! ) read and respond to many threads here, regularly. There are one or maybe two women posters who can be relied upon to claim how "all" men do this or that heinous thing, and you can count on me to call them on it (and get reported for doing so, too).

 

You're full of bologna, though, if you are trying to tell any of us that threads like that from women happen with even a tiny fraction of the regularity that threads like this one, from your bud, do. We're all here, dasein. We all can read. We know how much the women bashing threads are a big feature of the persona of LoveShack's dating forum.

[Feelsgoodman]

You're full of bologna, though, if you are trying to tell any of us that threads like that from women happen with even a tiny fraction of the regularity that threads like this one, from your bud, do. We're all here, dasein. We all can read. We know how much the women bashing threads are a big feature of the persona of LoveShack's dating forum.

Yes, we can all read and the fact is that male-bashing threads are just as frequent, if not more so. This board has its own resident feminist gang and they are always complaining about men being cheaters, liars, PUA's...about women being allegedly discriminated against, mistreated by the evil patriarchal society, etc, etc. It's all quite amusing to read but that doesn't change the fact that those women are 100% serious..

[shayla]

They will either a) not admit this goes on constantly, b) claim it's only LSE women, or c) claim men do it just as much . We know otherwise. I have been the beneficiary and victim of this on many occasions in different ways. Throughout college, GFs of friends, "high quality" women, who thought me a better catch would hit on me, sometimes right in front of their BF, grab my ass, even try to kiss me, not drunk. I have been upgraded by having women dump me and a perfectly fine relationship for the BBD multimillionaire on several occasions. Could type out tons of "upgrade" and BBD stories that have happened to me and friends over the years. It's a reality of life with women that they won't admit, but know full well it's true.

 

Guys seeking dating advice, never ever let a woman, any woman, think she owns you. Never spout out lovey dovey feelings talk to a woman who isn't 1000% head over heels for you and begging you for sex constantly. Once you do these attraction killing things, the kind of behavior described in the OP is highly likely. Also monitor your GF's friends. Single or divorced friends of your GF will try to lead her astray at every opportunity and you will never realize it's going on. Restrict girl's night out to early evening things, NEVER allow late night trips to clubs or bars. People, men or women, who are in committed relationships have need of social outlets, but never late drinking and dancing nights out without you. Never.

 

 

In honor of Father's Day, I'm going to say this. My father(RIP) was a good man, who raised me to be a great woman.

 

Raised. Already. I'll be damned if some man tried to re-raise me like I'm a damned child.

 

Any man that tried to use control in this manner needs to be avoided like the plague.

[TheBigQuestion]

In honor of Father's Day, I'm going to say this. My father(RIP) was a good man, who raised me to be a great woman.

 

Raised. Already. I'll be damned if some man tried to re-raise me like I'm a damned child.

 

Any man that tried to use control in this manner needs to be avoided like the plague.

 

100% in agreement, so long as you afford that same level of freedom/"hands off" attitude to your significant other. If you don't want to be controlled in this manner, you better not ever guilt trip him for staying out late and doing his own thing either.

[kaylan]

My fail-o-meter 3000 is going off the charts in this thread.

 

Lame thread is lame.

 

As if famous women dont have everyone in their entourage wanting to have a piece of them. You dont think Rihanna could have groupies? Hell, she has Drake and Chris Brown fighting over her and getting clubs shut down because of it.

 

And these guys could have ANY woman they wanted...so if she has that affect on them, shed run circles around average dudes.

[Woggle]

My fail-o-meter 3000 is going off the charts in this thread.

 

Lame thread is lame.

 

As if famous women dont have everyone in their entourage wanting to have a piece of them. You dont think Rihanna could have groupies? Hell, she has Drake and Chris Brown fighting over her and getting clubs shut down because of it.

 

And these guys could have ANY woman they wanted...so if she has that affect on them, shed run circles around average dudes.

 

Not me. She just gives off the vibe of being a serious drama addict. I must admit that some guys can be just as bad though. I see guys with I love you Snooki signs across the street from the shore house. I am talking about grown men.

[TheBigQuestion]

My fail-o-meter 3000 is going off the charts in this thread.

 

Lame thread is lame.

 

As if famous women dont have everyone in their entourage wanting to have a piece of them. You dont think Rihanna could have groupies? Hell, she has Drake and Chris Brown fighting over her and getting clubs shut down because of it.

 

And these guys could have ANY woman they wanted...so if she has that affect on them, shed run circles around average dudes.

 

The difference is that the majority of ordinary men would not want to get with Rihanna BECAUSE of her money or celebrity status. They want to sleep with her primarily because they find her physically attractive. I'm not saying that women don't find many famous men physically attractive, but you're still not comparing apples to apples here. Do you really think middle/upper-middle class men are tripping over themselves to hook up with Roseanne Barr? I'd be willing to bet my entire life savings that they aren't. On the other hand, there's no doubt in my mind that a guy like Seth Rogen is getting plenty of play from women completely out of his league BECAUSE of his money and fame.

 

I understand what you're saying here, but the whole point of this thread is to establish that power, fame and money have a disproportionate effect on women. The only reason threads like this ever become long and/or controversial is because far too many female posters have a problem with this characterization of their gender, even though it is by and large true, or at least, more true for women than it is for men. Kate Upton isn't hotter to me because she's famous. If she lived in the dorm room next to me back in college, I'd look at her exactly the same way.

Edited June 18, 2012 by TheBigQuestion

[Mme. Chaucer]

Only on LS would so many posters actually deny that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac for women.

 

Are many posters denying that? I read this thread … I didn't get that impression.

 

Power can be a huge aphrodisiac. That doesn't mean that "most" women will throw over their marriage or relationship when they have a chance at it, or that it needs to be taken into consideration when deciding how to keep your woman on a "tight rein."

 

That's just like saying that every man will dump his wife if a younger prettier woman gave him a look.

 

Sure, a whole bunch of men AND women both would actually take the moral low road when faced with temptation, and do. And many easily recognize what is tempting and go the other way.

[kaylan]

The difference is that the majority of ordinary men would not want to get with Rihanna BECAUSE of her money or celebrity status. They want to sleep with her primarily because they find her physically attractive. I'm not saying that women don't find many famous men physically attractive, but you're still not comparing apples to apples here. Do you really think middle/upper-middle class men are tripping over themselves to hook up with Roseanne Barr? I'd be willing to bet my entire life savings that they aren't. On the other hand, there's no doubt in my mind that a guy like Seth Rogen is getting plenty of play from women completely out of his league BECAUSE of his money and fame.

 

I understand what you're saying here, but the whole point of this thread is to establish that power, fame and money have a disproportionate effect on women. The only reason threads like this ever become long and/or controversial is because far too many female posters have a problem with this characterization of their gender, even though it is by and large true, or at least, more true for women than it is for men. Kate Upton isn't hotter to me because she's famous. If she lived in the dorm room next to me back in college, I'd look at her exactly the same way.

Id be willing to bet my life savings that Rosseanne could def get a hot young thing if she was willing to lavish the dude in a high lifestyle. Im thinking you really dont pay attention to the rich enough...because there are younger guys who have done this.

 

The only reason youd think women are the only ones digging for gold, or being groupies, is because men hold most of the power positions in this country. Its still very early in the history of women gaining power and wealth. Give it a couple of generations and youll see a lot more men doing the same crap you say women mostly do now.

 

Btw...money isnt making fat old people sexy...its just attracting people who want to use them while still screwing sexy hot things on the side. Lets be real.

Not me. She just gives off the vibe of being a serious drama addict. I must admit that some guys can be just as bad though. I see guys with I love you Snooki signs across the street from the shore house. I am talking about grown men.

This exactly.

 

Ive seen Snookie in the club in person on a couple of occasions. Shes pretty average in my opinion. But that didnt stop mad dudes from wanting to hit her up when she got famous. Dudes prolly wanted to get in on her fame and party lifestyle. Hell, I wouldnt mind partying with her on tv lolz

 

So to the men here who thinks a womans fame doesnt affect her attractiveness...lets be serious. There are so many super average famous women that many dudes treat as super hot...and their fame has much to do with that. People covet what is rare...people covet whats not easily attainable...especially if they can shove it in other men and women's faces.

Edited June 18, 2012 by kaylan

[TheBigQuestion]

Id be willing to bet my life savings that Rosseanne could def get a hot young thing if she was willing to lavish the dude in a high lifestyle. Im thinking you really dont pay attention to the rich enough...because there are younger guys who have done this.

 

The only reason youd think women are the only ones digging for gold, or being groupies, is because men hold most of the power positions in this country. Its still very early in the history of women gaining power and wealth. Give it a couple of generations and youll see a lot more men doing the same crap you say women mostly do now.

 

Btw...money isnt making fat old people sexy...its just attracting people who want to use them while still screwing sexy hot things on the side. Lets be real.

 

 

I never denied the existence of male golddiggers, nor did I say that there are no dudes out there who would willingly sleep with Roseanne if she offered to buy them things in return. All I said was that money, fame and power disproportionately affect women's attraction levels to men. The reasons why are a combination of nature and nurture, no doubt. Snoop Dogg wouldn't have slept with any models if he never became a famous rapper. Seth Rogen's only dates would be with his right hand. On the other hand, Kate Upton, Emma Stone, etc., would turn heads at any club or event they'd walk into. Snooki would get plenty of men simply because she's easy. Do you really not recognize the difference?

[kaylan]

Me thinks you are kinda glossing over my points because you already have your mind made up. Meh.

 

Women care about looks as much as men. The only reason they go after fame and money more than men do is because more men have it than women....and more ugly men have these things because men control industries. Usually ugly women have a harder time attaining such status since male dominated industries let women in based on her looks much of the time.

 

If women held the majority of the world power positions, you can bet that dudes would be super affected by this and jumping at a chance to get some life security.

[TheBigQuestion]

Me thinks you are simply dismissing my points because you already have your mind made up. Meh.

 

Women care about looks as much as men. The only reason they go after fame and money more than men do is because more men have it than women....and more ugly men have these things because men control industries and usually ugly women have a harder time attaining such status since male dominated industries let women in based on her looks much of the time.

 

If women held the majority of the world power positions, you can bet that dudes would be super affected by this and jumping at a chance to get some life security.

 

So you agree that, at least presently, money, power and fame have a disproportionate effect on women's attraction to men? Because it sounds like you're agreeing with me.

[kaylan]

Im saying they have a large effect on people in general, and that you only see it more in women because men have most of the money, fame and power.