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Alexandré

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Alexandré Established Member

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I personally am pro-gay marriage since I am in a same sex relationship, but I want to know what you guys think and why.

Mr Spock Established Member

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I am hetero-I personally feel you should be able to marry any consenting adult that you want, as long as you're paying taxes.

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All for it. I believe in love and marriage and I think everyone should have the option to live happily ever after in whatever way they see fit. :love:

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Sweet! Way to go! So many people get hung up on the religious aspects of marriage and thats the reason so many are anti-gay marriage. They dont even consider the legal aspects of it. For instance say a one of the men in a gay couple decides hes going to go to the store, and on the way he gets into a car accident. Well because they cannot get a real marriage, the partner CANNOT ride in the ambulance with his partner, he also cannot visit his partner in the hospital because they are considered "legally strangers". Also if one person in a same sex relationship dies, the partner does not get any social security benefits, even if they have had a civil union, or whatever its called. It's horrible really.

HokeyReligions Established Member

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hoo boy!

 

I live in the Bible Belt. Most of my family. Um, well ALL of my family is against it for religious reasons. Don't even bother to try to talk to me about them--I don't give a rats a$$. They are not snobs and they don't think they are better than a gay person, and they don't avoid gay people, and they are not homophobes. Their religious beliefs prohibit gay marriage. They consider it a sin. They acknowledge that we are all sinners though and there are LOTS of sins to commit. Homosexuality is just one of them. No better or worse than any other sin (well maybe for murder) and if that is their belief, that is fine too. It is their belief.

 

A legal civil union is fine by me. To see people who love each other make a public and formal commitment to each other is great. I'm for it.

 

A church wedding, well----it depends on the church. If a church recognizes it and believes that the union is acceptable by whatever god they believe in, then fine by me. To see people who love each other make a public and formal commitment to each other is great. I'm for it.

 

For a government to force a church to accept a union as "Holy Matrimoney" if it is against their doctrine -- that I have a problem with.

 

For people who don't believe it should happen. Fine by me. It's not going to stop people from loving each other. If a gay couple makes a private commitment to each other that is great. They can go to an attorney to obtain the same legal rights (power of attorney, who gets what if someone dies, who can say pull the plug, etc.)

 

Whatever people believe, its not going to stop same sex couples from falling in love and practicing sex.

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I have a step brother who is very openly gay. He has what he calls his, "Husband", but they aren't married. I'm going to be on the opposing side of the fence. I think homosexuality is wrong......all of it.....totally......no and's, if's, or butt's! (No pun intended).

 

God demolished an entire country for it, so I'm siding with Him. God intened Man to be with Woman. That's the way it should stay. He didn't create Adam and George or Eve and Sally.....he created all the beasts, male and female for a reason.

 

I suppose in order for prophecy to come true, homosexuallity will soon be accepted all over the world, this is foreseen and it will happen. But it doesn't mean that I have to conform to society, unlike what some posters in here think I should.

 

All I can do is disagree, I'm not about to preach to anyone about how wrong they are, it's their choice, but remember, "I told you so"!!

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What does it matter whether their a boy and a boy or a girl and a girl. Their people aren't they? If they are legitimately in love than all the power to ya! I understand what Hokeys talking about. It is considered a sin, but so is cursing and I'm sure EVERYONE does that or commits some sort of sin daily. Homosexuals just have a different preference as to what they like. If I like chocolate ice cream and you like vanilla is that wrong. Just because they don't think like you doesn't not mean they are thinking wrongly......just differently...........SO I'M ALL FOR IT....EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE ONE THEY LOVE!

HokeyReligions Established Member

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Originally posted by Moose

I have a step brother who is very openly gay. He has what he calls his, "Husband", but they aren't married. I'm going to be on the opposing side of the fence. I think homosexuality is wrong......all of it.....totally......no and's, if's, or butt's! (No pun intended).

 

God demolished an entire country for it, so I'm siding with Him. God intened Man to be with Woman. That's the way it should stay. He didn't create Adam and George or Eve and Sally.....he created all the beasts, male and female for a reason.

 

I suppose in order for prophecy to come true, homosexuallity will soon be accepted all over the world, this is foreseen and it will happen. But it doesn't mean that I have to conform to society, unlike what some posters in here think I should.

 

All I can do is disagree, I'm not about to preach to anyone about how wrong they are, it's their choice, but remember, "I told you so"!!

 

Are we related? LOL! ;) I think my brother has a T-shirt that says "It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" :)

 

I 'dated' a guy in high-school. Well, we didn't really date - we were part of a group of 3 girls and 3 guys and we were always together. Larry and I seemed to be teamed up, and the others were teamed up too so that a lot of people (including parents) thought we were all couples. After graduation Larry went with his choir on tour and I forget where, but in some country along the way he came out. When he returned the rest of the group shunned him, and before I could even talk with him about it he left, figuring that I would shun him too.

 

I would not have done that. Larry and I knew we were not a couple (I had once hoped for it and gave him opportunities - but I figured he was either really really polite or he just didn't like me! I never even considered homosexuality!) and I would have stayed his friend, no matter what the rest of the group thought. I've wondered what became of him. It's been around 27 years I guess since I saw or talked to him. Over 20 years since I've seen any of the old group! We have moved on to different parts of the globe.

 

I hope Larry's okay. He came out before Aids and in the beginning, Aids was very prevalent in the gay community.

 

Hey Lar, if you are out there and this sounds familiar----send me a PM! Remember that song you and Den used to sing to me back in highschool? ;)

 

---hey, you never know!

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To each their own. I don't think it's wrong for a couple to have legal binding to each other. As far as the churches go, I saw a program today with a certain religion (Pentecostal?) that, because of a phrase from the Bible, use poisonous snakes in their services. ?? :confused: Before too long, there will be branches of churches/religions that are all gay. Gay marriages will become more common.

 

I know it's not my thing -- a girlfriend and I tried kissing -- and it felt weird, but I don't think any less of people who are. :)

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Hokey, nope, we aren't related.....although if I would've met you before I met my wife, I would've loved to get to know ya......then maybe we would be. You sound like so much fun!! I still can't get over your avatar!!!

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God demolished an entire country for it, so I'm siding with Him.

Please don't use the appeal to force, it's ridiculous. God didn't demolish an entire country for homosexuality. "Sex with men? Ew gross, no, here, rape my daughters"

 

Homosexuality is NEVER mentioned in the Bible, ever.

 

You have to take the Bible in its cultural context, even though it's the word of God, it was still written by men at that time, for men at that time. It's your duty as a child of God to apply the Bible to the 21st century.

 

People back then thought that homosexual ACTS were being committed by heterosexuals. They didn't understand the concept of homosexuality--that people were created with a desire for the same sex. They also didn't understand that sickness isn't a punishment of God, lacking an understanding of germ theory. Oh, and they also didn't know how to clean pork or shellfish, which is why both are "abominations" (a mistranslation) just like "lying with a man".

 

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All I can do is disagree, I'm not about to preach to anyone about how wrong they are, it's their choice, but remember, "I told you so"!!

Please don't pretend you're the victim of a loose society forcing you to conform to their beliefs. I'm fine if you wish to not accept gay marriage--I'm not fine when you bring God into it.

 

Jesus spoke of love, and I will side with him.

 

Anyway, in this debate, people often get bogged down in sex.

 

It's not about sex, it never was. Gay people have been having sex since before Jesus came along, and they're sure as hell not waiting for legislative approval.

 

All they want is their civil rights.

 

These civil rights can be received by ANY consenting, unmarried man, and ANY consenting, unmarried woman. For any reason, for any length of time--just by signing a piece of paper. They don't have to love each other, they don't have to believe in God, and they don't have to have sex.

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Well said D'yer maker. I've never understood people who mask their fears with religion. The act of Sodomy (if you are bringing up sodom and gomorrah(can't spell it) differs from Anal sex-one being a forcible crime and the other being an act of pleasure between two consenting adults.

 

 

And people have been consenting to tab A into slot C for a heck of a long time. Since they discovered it would fit I'm sure.

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Personally, I'm in favor of Gay marriage. Philosophically, I have yet to be impressed by any argument against Gay marriage. Legally, I believe that, after Lawrence, it will become a civil right in the USA protected under the 14th Amendment's due process and equal protection clauses. 42 USC Sec. 1983.

 

It's only a matter of time.

 

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Embrasing diversity, I say that one's sexual orientation should not prevent one from suffering with the majority.

 

Let them marry, "misery loves company."

 

Samson

lydiamarie Established Member

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:) i'm all for gay marriage. there's too little love in the world, why should we hurt or hate those who find it?? :(:confused:

 

dyermaker-sound post, as always :)

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Samson, I predict that the Gay community , while touting marriage as a civil right in a united front for Straight consumption , will split internally in some type of culture war. There will be hard core Gay men who will look at marriage with disdain as a repressive institution engineered to tame and discipline anarchic sexuality.These will be mostly males. The Lesbians probably won't have as deep a division.

 

It will be interesting to watch this play out.

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Ha. "The Lesbians" sounds like a football team.....

 

I don't want it outlawed, in case I get tired of putting up with men (loveshack company excluded) have to keep my options open.

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Ha. "The Lesbians" sounds like a football team.....

 

I don't want it outlawed, in case I get tired of putting up with men (loveshack company excluded) have to keep my options open.

 

:laugh: That's one way of looking at it!

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God demolished an entire country for it, so I'm siding with Him.

 

Incorrect. Lots of people believe it, but they haven't actually read the Bible, nor do they understand it. They just parrot what they're told by others who, similarly, have neither read nor understood the Bible.

 

BTW. Jesus said 'judge not lest ye be judged' and preached love.

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I think gay people are entitled to the same rights that everyone in this country is provided under the terms of teh Constitution which include Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. I think they should have the right to love and marry whomever they choose and it should not take an act of Congress to get Freedom and Equality for all.

 

It's so funny to me that we are over in Iraq fighting Operation Iraqi Freedom - aside from the obvious misconeption of eliminating a clear and present danger to US Citizens, is supposed to relieve the Iraqi people of a terrorist dictator and create a democratic society. What's interesting is that the US continues to struggle with this ideology, as evidenced by the "gay marriage" issue and evidenced in the following information addressed in an article written by By Tinsley Yarbrough entitled the Democracy Papers - Protecting Minority Rights and located in it's entirety at http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/democracy/dmpaper11.htm

 

 

The credo of individual equality

 

Through judicial decisions, congressional statutes, executive enforcement, and changing public attitudes, American society has steadily evolved toward recognizing minority rights in law. The United States has largely banished the more blatant inequities African-Americans and other historically disadvantaged groups were long forced to endure. We are much closer to the day when Justice Harlan's resounding dissent in the 1896 Plessy decision rings substantially true: "In view of the Constitution, in the eye of the law, there is in this country no superior, dominant, ruling class of citizens. There is no caste here."

 

The fight to end discrimination against minorities in the United States has taken place primarily in courts of law and in Congress and state legislatures. These efforts have proven successful for two reasons. One is the rule of law, and the abiding belief by the American people that even if individuals or groups do not agree with the conclusion of the courts or legislatures in establishing policy, citizens are bound to obey this policy. If they disagree with a policy or law, they lobby the legislatures and sue in the courts, rather than rampaging in the streets.

 

The second reason is that the American civic religion, as embodied in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and a long tradition of legislatures and courts, holds that all persons are created equal, and are entitled to equal protection under the law. Even if individual Americans do not like particular groups because of their skin color, their lifestyles, or their language, the widespread credo of individual equality forces Americans to confront their prejudices. Although the nation is still not free from its history of discrimination against certain groups, it is publicly committed eventually to ending all vestiges of racial and other forms of prejudice.

While these two beliefs -- in the rule of law and individual equality -- may be closely related to the U.S. historical experience, the general rule is applicable everywhere: Individuals must be treated equally under law. If not, then a nation is courting civil strife.

 

It's interesting that in the midst of our "civil strife" we have the audacity to police the governments of other nations and impose our unmastered ideologies upon them according to what we perceive is ethical and humane, while imposing our views and fighting the citizens of the nation to help them despite the repeated demands we vacate their country and lack of support for the "liberation" and "democracy" and US influence? In April 2003 we had spent $62.6 Billion on Operation Iraqi Freedom, (official numbers from the Pentagon) we are now at $112.8B and climbing for Freedom - how much will we pay to safeguard the freedom of the citizens in OUR OWN country? How much is it worth?

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