seachangeoflove Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 the big fuss is some women get offended! when say to their face that all you want is to F them. If a man asks me on a date and I say "ok, I will go but only because I want you to pay for my lunch. Because men have no value to me other than their wallets" You wouldn't be offended? You'd just walk away and say "oh, ok thanks for letting me know. " and NOT yell insults at me? ok, sure
Disenchantedly Yours Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I think that some guys want to be able to be "honest", but only on their terms. Meaning, they are eager and ready to dish out their version of "honest" and when a woman dishes it back, a man will get bent out of shape. Of if a woman honestly respondes and is replused by what he's said and is also honest about her opinion of what he said, he doesn't like that. Lets look at your example Joystickd. You said: I meant real honesty like for example a man can give an honest opinion and he gets called a misogynist or hates women. An example would be a guy saying he did a pump and dump because the woman wasn't relationship material. It is horrible he said it but on that same coin a woman friendzoning some guy is seen by women not as bad. Putting a person in the friendzone is not the same thing as a man or woman using another person for sex and then describing it as a "pump and dump". These two situations aren't even the same thing. Now if a man went out with a woman and wasn't interested in her, took her home and didn't have sex with her, then this would be the same thing as a woman putting a guy in the zone. But a man using a woman for sex and using 12 year old descriptions as a full adult man to talk about the situation isn't nearly close to the same thing as just being friends with someone. You also have to look at the language you use. Why in the world do you think women should respect men or "appreciate" the honesty of a man that talks about women in terms of "pumping and dumping" them and using them to begin with? Women do not respect men that use women. Now if this man just went out with a woman, decided she wasn't for him, and never sent out with her again and never had sex with her either, that's perfectly fair. You do not get to make up any langauge you want to talk about women, claim it's in the name of "honest", then expect to be respected by women when that language and treatement of women is pretty disgusting to them. If you want to be "honest"? Great. Be honest. But then be willing to accept and understand honesty given back to you. You want to talk about women in terms of pumping and dumping them? Okay. Go ahead. But don't expect a woman to think you're a great "honest" guy and that she isn't allowed to have her own opinion on this that could be equally as honest as yours. It appears that you only want to give "honesty", even in brutal terms. But you do not want to accept or hear out the honesty that a woman could give back to you. Women have their own thoughts and opinions. Just because you are hoenst doesn't mean a woman has to kiss your butt, smile and act like you did a big great service for you that she should be kissing your feet for. Great, be honest. But don't expect a woman to respond with happiness at your hoensty alone simply because you were honest. Learn to accept that women have their own thoughts and ideas and opinions that they should be equally honest about in return. Even if those responses are difficult for you to hear. Especially if her responses are ones of anger, frustration or hurt over someting you've said. Even if it was said by being "honest".
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