Els Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 What logic? Circular logic? Are you so obtuse that you can't even tell that we're agreeing with you about prostitutes not being at fault for 'ruining marriages', which is the current point of discussion?
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Hope she doesn't have any plans to settle down and find a decent man. Cuz if she does plan on that, she better hide her past very well.(not that lies are what a relationship is built on) I think you ought to stop insulting great men like MY HUSBAND, who is well beyond "decent." I was not a prostitute. I have some bad stuff in my past which I shared with him (because I believe that lies are not what a relationship are built on) and he said, "you are such a clean slate with me." He NEVER holds my past against me. I also know about his past shortcomings, and I don't hold them over his head, either. 1
Els Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I think you ought to stop insulting great men like MY HUSBAND, who is well beyond "decent." I was not a prostitute. I have some bad stuff in my past which I shared with him (because I believe that lies are not what a relationship are built on) and he said, "you are such a clean slate with me." He NEVER holds my past against me. I also know about his past shortcomings, and I don't hold them over his head, either. Sadly, the poster you quoted believes that to be 'decent', a man must be as narrow-minded as himself. I would not consider it a compliment were he to call your husband 'decent', really.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 threebyfate is a hooker and prostitute and eats tv sets What about cold sores? Does she have some? http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/3370/no-hope-no-cash-no-jobs.jpg
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Are you so obtuse that you can't even tell that we're agreeing with you about prostitutes not being at fault for 'ruining marriages', which is the current point of discussion? Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! You might as well respond to that for all the good it does to make the effort with you. You simply ignore what is said and take it out of context. So you can go gyre and gymble in ye wabe if you wish. Edited June 27, 2012 by Robert Z
Els Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! You might as well respond to that for all the good it does to make the effort with you. You simply ignore what is said and take it out of context. So you can go gyre and gymble in ye wabe if you wish. I know the prostitutes you visit love a man who speaks good Klingon, but I doubt you'll find any takers here.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 I know the prostitutes you visit love a man who speaks good Klingon, but I doubt you'll find any takers here. Oh, I thought he was misquoting "Jabberwocky."
Els Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Oh, I thought he was misquoting "Jabberwocky." Frankly, I have no idea. I'm not paid enough to care.
KathyM Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 For those saying most customers are not married men, I've posted an article from Newsweek previously in this thread quoting studies done that show the majority of customers are married. If you care to read it, it is posted earlier in this thread. There was a nationwide study done in the U.S. showing 56% of all customers of prostitutes are married. The prostitute on this thread said herself that she doesn't care whether he is married or not. As long as they get paid, they really don't care, and of course, without the married men, their business would be cut by more than half.
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 I've posted an article from Newsweek previously in this thread quoting studies done that show the majority of customers are married. If you care to read it, it is posted earlier in this thread. There was a nationwide study done in the U.S. showing 56% of all customers of prostitutes are married. And why is that? Why do suppose that so many married men need a complete stranger for satisfying sex?
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Oh, I thought he was misquoting "Jabberwocky." That was from Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly.
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 And why is that? Why do suppose that so many married men need a complete stranger for satisfying sex? I hear people blaming the prostitutes and I hear people blaming the men. Any guesses who else might be to blame? It makes me lol now when I see some politicians who got caught with a hooker and his poor victim of a wife. Well, maybe a victim and maybe not. My first thought now is, when was the last time he got any at home? I give it at least a 50/50 chance that he had every right to chase hookers.
Woggle Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 I am not judging you Robert Z but none of these hookers love you. That is okay as long as you know the score but don't get caught up in the illusion. My coworkers has visited prostitutes and he says it is because unlike his ex wife he knows damn well these women don't love him. There is a lot of freedom when both parties know they are using each other. That is usually what male/female relationships boil down to so why not cut to the chase. 2
123321 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Hope she doesn't have any plans to settle down and find a decent man. Cuz if she does plan on that, she better hide her past very well.(not that lies are what a relationship is built on) Why? I don't see her as different from any other once-promiscuous woman. Maybe a little better, since she (possibly) had practical motives for her promiscuity. I hear people blaming the prostitutes and I hear people blaming the men. Any guesses who else might be to blame The broken relationship has at least two to blame, then cheating is all on the cheater. 1
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 From my point of view, far more often than most people would care to admit, esp women, the men are often the victims. They are driven to prostitutes by women who refuse to meet their responsibilities to their life partner. Women see their men's needs as optional, then they are all injured and shocked their man does what he needs to do.
123321 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 From my point of view, far more often than most people would care to admit, esp women, the men are often the victims. They are driven to prostitutes by women who refuse to meet their responsibilities to their life partner. They see their men's needs as optional. That's fine, however in that scenario it's the mans job to at least notify the wife, and better yet, get separated, first. 2
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) I am not judging you Robert Z but none of these hookers love you. That is okay as long as you know the score but don't get caught up in the illusion. My coworkers has visited prostitutes and he says it is because unlike his ex wife he knows damn well these women don't love him. There is a lot of freedom when both parties know they are using each other. That is usually what male/female relationships boil down to so why not cut to the chase. All that I have said is that we've [me and a few girls] grown to be true friends. There are no illusions of romantic love, though it would be easy to become infatuated with any one of these women. We do care about each other as friends who can be very open and honest. In fact it is the honesty that is so refreshing, which is really ironic given that at first you don't even use your real names [in my case they have always known my real name, but typically everyone is using a false name]. Sometimes I would almost rather just sit and talk. They've told me things they may never tell their future husbands! And I can talk about my needs and desires openly and honestly, without being judged. I may be lucky in that I fell into a situation that involves some really classy and sophisticated girls, but even my first encounter with a regular prostitute was far more enjoyable and comfortable than I ever suspected it could be. Edited June 27, 2012 by Robert Z
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) That's fine, however in that scenario it's the mans job to at least notify the wife, and better yet, get separated, first. And what about the home, the credit, the kids! Life isn't always so simple. I think many men deserve credit for hanging in there for the family even if their wives no longer shows them any affection. If a man has to get a hooker to keep his sanity in order to support his family, then bully for him for doing so!!! Walking away would often be the easy way out, but it can come at a huge price for others, especially the kids. in fact, those are the weapons women use while betting that their poor lonely husband won't walk. Many wives seem to figure they can do pretty much anything they want because so much is at stake. Edited June 27, 2012 by Robert Z
123321 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 And what about the home, the credit, the kids! Those are prices that sometimes have to be paid for past life mistakes. I do agree that the state of family law in America often encourages men to cheat rather than do the right thing, but that is a separate discussion.
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Those are prices that sometimes have to be paid for past life mistakes. I do agree that the state of family law in America often encourages men to cheat rather than do the right thing, but that is a separate discussion. It isn't just the law that motivates men to stick it out. You have a relationship with your wife, but you also have an entire life. Why is it more right to break up an entire family and sacrifice a way of life, than get a hooker? I don't see the logic. Besides, this seems to happen to more women than not. Hormones are the enemy!!! So in my experience, you are effectively advocating that most men should eventually leave their wives.
Robert Z Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 All that I have said is that we've [me and a few girls] grown to be true friends. There are no illusions of romantic love, though it would be easy to become infatuated with any one of these women. We do care about each other as friends who can be very open and honest. In fact it is the honesty that is so refreshing, which is really ironic given that at first you don't even use your real names [in my case they have always known my real name, but typically everyone is using a false name]. Sometimes I would almost rather just sit and talk. They've told me things they may never tell their future husbands! And I can talk about my needs and desires openly and honestly, without being judged. I may be lucky in that I fell into a situation that involves some really classy and sophisticated girls, but even my first encounter with a regular prostitute was far more enjoyable and comfortable than I ever suspected it could be. Case in point: All while I have been posting here, I have been emailing back and forth with my favorite and joking about what I will be doing for masturbation tonight. She is just too fun!!!
123321 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 You have a relationship with your wife, but you also have an entire life. Why is it more right to break up an entire family and sacrifice a way of life, than get a hooker? I don't see the logic. If you can be truthful and go to hookers then OK, but lying is wrong. Most life problems either stem from a lie or depend on lies for their existence. Lying will eventually destroy the relationship you are so disingenuously claiming to value, so the choices you have presented are false. If the status quo is really valuable, then maintain it. The truth is cheaters cheat not for the comfort of others but for themselves. Anything else is a justification attempt. If it's really for the good of all then it should be OK to be open and honest about it, which is not cheating. This is getting OT. 1
nofool4u Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 No doubt she will hide her past. But I take serious issue with your attitude. Many decent men who love a woman would understand. No, a decent man would not. And in any event, if she plans on settling down, she better let her partner know from the get go she was a hooker. THEN that guy can decide if he wants to stay. Your view is very narrow and naive. Not at all. Its my preference, and I'd venture to guess it would be many other DECENT men's take too. Are you saying that love isn't more important than a person's previous sex life? No, I'm saying that I won't fall in love with someone who slept with men for money. Do men just pick who they fall in love with based on a resume? We aren't talking about her past career as a grocery store clerk here. If a man can't get past something like this for the woman he truly loves, then his love doesn't mean much, does it. If he truly loves her and he knows up front, then there is nothing to get past. He already accepted it. If he fell in love with her and she hid her past from him, different story. He wasn't given the information up front to make a decision on the type of person he wants to be with. By your logic, if a man falls in love with a woman, then finds out she killed someone, he should say, "ah, thats ok, I love you and will stick by you". And no, the fact that murder and being a hooker are two completely different things is irrelevant. By your logic, the principle is still the same. Love, remember? He wouldn't really be worth the trouble. What might be the next contingency for love, how you vote? Nope. Voting a certain way doesn't tend to make a man want to vomit in his mouth.
nofool4u Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 I think you ought to stop insulting great men like MY HUSBAND, who is well beyond "decent." I was not a prostitute. Then I guess what I said doesn't apply to him does it?
FredRutherford Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 All that I have said is that we've [me and a few girls] grown to be true friends. There are no illusions of romantic love, though it would be easy to become infatuated with any one of these women. We do care about each other as friends who can be very open and honest. In fact it is the honesty that is so refreshing, which is really ironic given that at first you don't even use your real names [in my case they have always known my real name, but typically everyone is using a false name]. Sometimes I would almost rather just sit and talk. They've told me things they may never tell their future husbands! And I can talk about my needs and desires openly and honestly, without being judged. This only shows that prostitutes are people as well.
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