Why Do People think Lowly Of Hookers?

[nofool4u]

Would you please quote evidence of this fact?

 

Sure, just ask anyone here that knows their partner is cheating and the partner admits it, if it all of a sudden ceases to be cheating.

 

Its simple. Someone comes to their spouse and says I'm cheating, and spouse knows that they still do this after their revelation, its still cheating.

 

Otherwise, you can tell all the people on here that know their partner is cheating that it isn't cheating. Start doing that in threads and let us know the kind of responses you get.

 

 

Last I heard, in all accounts about cheating, the cheater didn't let them BS know up front and the BS didn't say, "Sure, I'm cool with that."

 

Now it is you that is missing the point. The point is its still cheating even if the BS knows and the WS doesn't deny it. If they keep doing it, its still cheating. Any BS will tell you that.

 

 

 

How is that a silly question? Do you really think there are NO modern Muslims or Mormons who opt for polygyny out of CHOICE?

 

Absolutely. But this is not the premise you built your questions to me on.

 

You built them on the premise of what happens in countries where this is law. Therefore choice is not a requirement. They adhere whether they like it or not.

 

Now I'm sure there are many muslims in those countries that have no problem with it. Point was, whether they do or not, they have no choice.

 

 

I personally don't understand why they would, but to say they don't exist is incredibly narrow-minded. I can't believe you've never heard of such.

 

Thats because I never said such. So be careful with your insults.

[Els]

Sure, just ask anyone here that knows their partner is cheating and the partner admits it, if it all of a sudden ceases to be cheating.

 

Its simple. Someone comes to their spouse and says I'm cheating, and spouse knows that they still do this after their revelation, its still cheating.

 

Otherwise, you can tell all the people on here that know their partner is cheating that it isn't cheating. Start doing that in threads and let us know the kind of responses you get.

 

Look, I said 'UP FRONT'.

 

There is a huge difference between someone sitting down with their partner at the start of a relationship and saying, "I'm going to be sleeping with multiple people, okay?", and someone doing the deed on the sneaky and then saying sheepishly, "Oops, honey, I cheated on you".

 

I can assure you that none of the people in the infidelity forum knew up front that their partner was going to be boinking other people. Why don't YOU go and ask them?

 

 

Absolutely. But this is not the premise you built your questions to me on.

 

You built them on the premise of what happens in countries where this is law. Therefore choice is not a requirement. They adhere whether they like it or not.

 

What????? The Muslim law doesn't say 'you have to marry someone you don't want to'. It says 'the man may have up to 4 wives as long as he provides for each'.

 

Now I'm sure there are many muslims in those countries that have no problem with it. Point was, whether they do or not, they have no choice.

 

I used to live in a Muslim country and the first wife has to sign a court document allowing the other wives to be legally wed to her husband.

Edited June 21, 2012 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[casey1989]

Nah, really? So I'll ask again, is this what they have? Is he allowed to do this too? Because that question has gone unanswered by her.

 

I already answered this but for some reason my post was deleted. He is allowed to sleep with others if the girls pay for it.

[FitChick]

I used to live in a Muslim country and the first wife has to sign a court document allowing the other wives to be legally wed to her husband.

 

What happens to her if she doesn't?

[FitChick]

I already answered this but for some reason my post was deleted. He is allowed to sleep with others if the girls pay for it.

 

Is your boyfriend a gigolo?

[nofool4u]

I already answered this but for some reason my post was deleted. He is allowed to sleep with others if the girls pay for it.

 

Thats ridiculous. Since women can pretty much get laid whenever they want, even the most unattractive can find someone to bone, women paying for sex just doesn't happen like men paying for prostitutes.

 

This is an excuse used by you so you can still enjoy sex while preventing him from enjoying sex with other women.

 

Its a double standard and hypocrisy.

[123321]

Its a double standard and hypocrisy.

 

Be that as it may, if they both agreed to it, it's not cheating.

[threebyfate]

Well, I sit here and think, why would people support prostitution if it enables a damaging and destructive lifestyle for the prostitute, and hurts families negatively affected by it, and enables the trafficking of women and children, and exploits women and children, and reduces them to pieces of meat to be bought and sold, not to mention puts them at risk of violence and even death. Why anyone can support an industry like that and think that it is harmless is beyond me.

Self-interest or validation of past actions are most often the reasons.

[nofool4u]

Be that as it may, if they both agreed to it, it's not cheating.

 

Maybe not, but unless he is a gigolo, she is preventing him from getting pleasure from other women like she is from other men. She is just trying to use her profession as an excuse.

 

But like you said, if he agrees to it, then thats on him. Its still a double standard and hypocrisy on her part because she knows he isn't going to be getting paid for sex.

[KathyM]

Self-interest or validation of past actions are most often the reasons.

Yep, I guess people will rationalize just about anything if it gets them what they want, regardless of who gets hurt in the process, or what the consequences are for others.

[joystickd]

Think about this: Ask a very promiscuous woman about getting money for sex instead of giving it away for free. They usually get angry but its crazy on their part. I mean they give a lot to get nothing. A prostitute values herself more than the promiscuous woman because she puts a value to her sexuality. Why the negative stigma on a profession that offers a service? I'm for pimpin and prostitution. Albert Bell « Davey D's Hip Hop Corner-(The Blog)

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[Mme. Chaucer]

Self-interest or validation of past actions are most often the reasons.

 

There are a great many people working towards ceasing the marginalization and promoting rights of sex workers in the United States who have no interest in being or hiring sex workers, and have never been sex workers. Lawyers and social workers, for the most part, though plenty of sex workers do indeed have an interest in those goals.

 

Wanting safety, rights and freedom for a group of people doesn't mean that what the group does is necessarily "harmless."

 

There is a lot of historical evidence that criminalization of things that are an inherent part of culture (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, nudity, porn) do not make those things go away or make them any "safer" or better.

[ThaWholigan]

There are a great many people working towards ceasing the marginalization and promoting rights of sex workers in the United States who have no interest in being or hiring sex workers, and have never been sex workers. Lawyers and social workers, for the most part, though plenty of sex workers do indeed have an interest in those goals.

 

Wanting safety, rights and freedom for a group of people doesn't mean that what the group does is necessarily "harmless."

 

There is a lot of historical evidence that criminalization of things that are an inherent part of culture (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, nudity, porn) do not make those things go away or make them any "safer" or better.

I agree with you.

 

However, I think that those who support the criminalization seek to use it to stigmatize and ostracize those who seek to indulge in these things, however lightly or heavily. That is the issue that I am seeing.

 

It doesn't seem to be about human rights in my opinion, but about shaming. I still don't believe that the entire bulk of johns are married - an over-exaggeration at hand I say.

 

Like I said earlier, I have no ties or allegiances in this, I am completely neutral. But I don't see the point of making prostitution illegal.

[Els]

Yep, I guess people will rationalize just about anything if it gets them what they want, regardless of who gets hurt in the process, or what the consequences are for others.

 

Mmhmm, riiiiight. Zengirl, Mme Chaucer and I secretly go to prostitutes to indulge our closet lesbian fantasies, amirite?

 

It amuses me how you assume that people have ulterior motives borne out of RL need for agreeing with you. I live in a country where prostitution is legal, and nothing YOU say or do would change that. Why should convincing you of anything benefit me in the slightest?

 

If we are going to be throwing around snarks about rationalization to 'get what they want IRL', I could equally well hypothesize that your arguments against legal prostitution are due to your fears about your husband becoming unfaithful to you if he is offered even the slightest whiff of temptation, so your only hope of keeping him faithful is to remove any options he may have.

 

Be careful where you throw the personal digs, they usually fly both ways.

 

There are a great many people working towards ceasing the marginalization and promoting rights of sex workers in the United States who have no interest in being or hiring sex workers, and have never been sex workers. Lawyers and social workers, for the most part, though plenty of sex workers do indeed have an interest in those goals.

 

Wanting safety, rights and freedom for a group of people doesn't mean that what the group does is necessarily "harmless."

 

There is a lot of historical evidence that criminalization of things that are an inherent part of culture (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, nudity, porn) do not make those things go away or make them any "safer" or better.

 

Precisely, and very well said.

 

What happens to her if she doesn't?

 

Well, his only legal options are to agree to not wed the other wife, or divorce her so he can wed the other wife, or do it on the sneaky (which IS cheating). Pretty much the same thing any man in the West would do, y'know. You people have an extremely narrow and uneducated view of Muslim countries, don't you? I definitely won't say that they're the best thing since sliced bread, but they are far more varied than the Saudi Arabia/Iraq stereotype that some of you have.

[Els]

Maybe not, but unless he is a gigolo, she is preventing him from getting pleasure from other women like she is from other men. She is just trying to use her profession as an excuse.

 

But like you said, if he agrees to it, then thats on him. Its still a double standard and hypocrisy on her part because she knows he isn't going to be getting paid for sex.

 

He can be a gigolo if he chooses, y'know. How is that a double standard?

[123321]

There are a great many people working towards ceasing the marginalization and promoting rights of sex workers in the United States who have no interest in being or hiring sex workers, and have never been sex workers. Lawyers and social workers, for the most part, though plenty of sex workers do indeed have an interest in those goals.

 

Wanting safety, rights and freedom for a group of people doesn't mean that what the group does is necessarily "harmless."

 

There is a lot of historical evidence that criminalization of things that are an inherent part of culture (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, nudity, porn) do not make those things go away or make them any "safer" or better.

 

Thanks option is insufficient for this post, I have to thank you this way as well.

[threebyfate]

There are a great many people working towards ceasing the marginalization and promoting rights of sex workers in the United States who have no interest in being or hiring sex workers, and have never been sex workers. Lawyers and social workers, for the most part, though plenty of sex workers do indeed have an interest in those goals.

Have you got any citations for this appeal to emotion, particularly evidencing pro bono work done by lawyers solely to legalize prostitution on behalf of the prostitutes and not because they have Nevada backing?

 

Wanting safety, rights and freedom for a group of people doesn't mean that what the group does is necessarily "harmless."

So why not legalize burglary? This will ensure safety for them too.

 

There is a lot of historical evidence that criminalization of things that are an inherent part of culture (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, nudity, porn) do not make those things go away or make them any "safer" or better.

I'm not here to make life easier for hookers since they appear to not give a crap about anyone or anything else, besides money for themselves.

[A O]

Have you got any citations for this appeal to emotion, particularly evidencing pro bono work done by lawyers solely to legalize prostitution on behalf of the prostitutes and not because they have Nevada backing?

No fact implied or stated hence little need for citation(s). Just an observation from MC that some folk here identify with. An observation that has drawn an altogether different emotional response out of you than it has for some others here.

 

So why not legalize burglary? This will ensure safety for them too.

True and if you feel so inclined then by all means - support such a measure. Many people do indeed offer support for selfish reasons or because they are some how connected with the cause. But there are a few who do so out of simple concern for others.

 

I'm not here to make life easier for hookers since they appear to not give a crap about anyone or anything else, besides money for themselves.

Another observation that doesn't pretend to be anything else hence again - no citation needed.

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[threebyfate]

No fact implied or stated hence little need for citation(s). Just an observation from MC that some folk here identify with. An observation that has drawn an altogether different emotional response out of you than it has for some others here.

And salmon fly and love to hook for a living. No citation would be necessary for my salmon flying observation. Just believe it.

 

True and if you feel so inclined then by all means - support such a measure. Many people do indeed offer support for selfish reasons or because they are some how connected with the cause. But there are a few who do so out of simple concern for others.

Possibly, possibly not.

 

Another observation that doesn't pretend to be anything else hence again - no citation needed.

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Refer to the post from the hooker in this thread. Marital status of her johns is irrelevant. As long as she gets her money, it's all good. Edited June 21, 2012 by threebyfate

[A O]

And salmon fly and love to hook for a living. No citation would be necessary for my salmon flying observation. Just believe it.

Again, no statement of fact noted hence no need to ask for a citation. That's the point. State fact - can ask for a citation otherwise just another viewpoint that people can choose to believe or not.

 

Possibly, possibly not.

Its another reason that can be added to your aforementioned reasons. All are possible.

 

Refer to the post from the hooker in this thread. Marital status of her johns is irrelevant. As long as she gets her money, it's all good.

Same can be said for many professions - those offering a good or service aren't interested in the personal lives of their customers. Just show them the money. Take it that your behavior towards them will be the same as it is for prostitutes.

 

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[threebyfate]

Again, no statement of fact noted hence no need to ask for a citation. That's the point. State fact - can ask for a citation otherwise just another viewpoint that people can choose to believe or not.

Once upon a time, there were three little pigs. A pink pig, a green pig and an orange pig. The orange pig got eaten by a roaming lion. The pink and green pigs went gay and lived happily ever after.

 

Same can be said for many professions - those offering a good or service aren't interested in the personal lives of their customers. Just show them the money. Take it that your behavior towards them will be the same as it is for prostitutes.

 

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Prostitution takes financial and emotional resources from spouses and children. It can also break marriages. Prostitution should remain illegal, since it's double jeopardy for the married cheaters and double jeopardy for the hookers. I have no problems with this since my compassion lies with the innocent parties of wife and children.

[A O]

Once upon a time, there were three little pigs. A pink pig, a green pig and an orange pig. The orange pig got eaten by a roaming lion. The pink and green pigs went gay and lived happily ever after.

Point stands. No need to ask for citations when a simple view is expressed. As a lazy way to try and debunk a viewpoint however, asking for citations has its merits.

 

Prostitution takes financial and emotional resources from spouses and children. .

Name you poison. Buy any good or service and it can be construed as taking away from another aspect of a relationship. Slippery slope stuff - when is anything, any good or service, any purchase - good, not-so-good, or bad people...

 

It can also break marriages. Prostitution should remain illegal, since it's double jeopardy for the married cheaters and double jeopardy for the hookers. I have no problems with this since my compassion lies with the innocent parties of wife and children.

Many things can break marriages. My belief is that prostitution ranks well below other relationship breakers like financial hassles, job hassles/job specific circumstances, incompatibility and so forth. But not only that, the number of marriage/relationship wrecking consequences as a percentage relative to all those who use these services would be low. One reason for this being the lack of data regarding this situation. This whole industry seems to generate a reasonable amount of data and yet there's nothing in terms of how many marriages this practice ruins. I think that is telling.

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[123321]

Prostitution takes financial and emotional resources from spouses and children. It can also break marriages.

 

The same can be said of tobacco, alcohol, fast cars, expensive hobbies, relatives, and many other things. Shall we eliminate those as well?

 

 

So why not legalize burglary? This will ensure safety for them too.

 

Burglary, like theft, is an act of taking something without the owners consent. Prostitution involves consent of the parties involved or it's some other crime like rape or theft.

[KathyM]

Mmhmm, riiiiight. Zengirl, Mme Chaucer and I secretly go to prostitutes to indulge our closet lesbian fantasies, amirite?

LOL. It's just too unfathomable to me why any women would want to promote and defend an industry that exploits women and children, trafficks women and children, and reduces them to objects to be bought and sold. Why any woman would want to promote that treatment of women is unimaginable to me.

 

It amuses me how you assume that people have ulterior motives borne out of RL need for agreeing with you. I live in a country where prostitution is legal, and nothing YOU say or do would change that. Why should convincing you of anything benefit me in the slightest?

 

So what are your motives for defending prostitution?

 

If we are going to be throwing around snarks about rationalization to 'get what they want IRL', I could equally well hypothesize that your arguments against legal prostitution are due to your fears about your husband becoming unfaithful to you if he is offered even the slightest whiff of temptation, so your only hope of keeping him faithful is to remove any options he may have.

 

Be careful where you throw the personal digs, they usually fly both ways.

 

Oh pulleeze, I have no concerns about my husband, and if he ever were to want to stray (which he doesn't), he'd have plenty of other options--he wouldn't have to pay for it. :rolleyes:Is it really that hard to understand that a woman who is very pro marriage, dedicating her life to save marriages as a profession, as well as to advocate for abused women and children, would be against a profession where most customers are married men, and where women are trafficked, abused, and treated like pieces of meat? Apparently you don't care that women are treated that way and who is hurt in the process, but I do.

 

 

 

Precisely, and very well said.

 

 

 

Well, his only legal options are to agree to not wed the other wife, or divorce her so he can wed the other wife, or do it on the sneaky (which IS cheating). Pretty much the same thing any man in the West would do, y'know. You people have an extremely narrow and uneducated view of Muslim countries, don't you? I definitely won't say that they're the best thing since sliced bread, but they are far more varied than the Saudi Arabia/Iraq stereotype that some of you have.

No comment.

[123321]

No comment.

 

All that quote for "No comment"? Really?