KathyM Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Umm, Kathy. The majority of those popups that you claim to see are actually malware and adware fodder. The links lead to malicious sites that hijack your browser session or harvest information for spam lists or steal your credit card information should you be stupid enough to key it in, etc. The pictures of girls are only used to mislead people into going there. Legit prostitution businesses do not actually do that. I can't believe you think those 'HOT GIRLS IN KANSAS!' photos are real. The women advertised usually don't even exist] Perhaps some are not real, but some are. Certainly the Craigslist ads have some that are legitimate. I know that for a fact. I also get pop ups for Ashley Madison--a website meant specifically for cheaters, which is not bogus.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 It should just happen. Though it would be great if modern society had a way to facilitate matchmaking. Modern society has literally dozens of ways! Which include the "old school" methods: meeting through family / friends or even a professional matchmaker. Or, if you just want to get laid, the world's oldest profession has been here all along.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 With respect to human trafficking, the only rational conclusion is that legalized prostitution will stamp it out entirely. In a regulated regime, the legal elements will whistleblow on illegal competition constantly, maybe even by unions. Would be funny to see the giant inflatable rat turned out on illegal brothels. Moreoever, the illegal elements will stick out. Moreover, in a legalized regulatory regime, more willing participants will enter the trade crowding out unwilling participants as a matter of market quality control. Moreover, governments in a regulated regime seem to "wake up" to lots of lost tax revenue, penalties go up, enforcement is stricter. Corporate prostitution will crowd out inefficient and harmful pimping generally, just as corporate interests crowded the mob out of Vegas. Stating that legal prostitution will increase trafficking is the equivalent of stating that legalized gambling increases illegal gambling, a nonstarter. Except … prostitution is legal and regulated in the Netherlands, and it's believed to be the number one destination for victims of human trafficking. Still, I think it should be legal, and that the outcry about how it "enables infidelity" is a laugh riot. A grocery store "enables" bulimia, too, right? OUTLAW THEM, I DEMAND IT 3
KathyM Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Well apparently you lead a sheltered internet life as Craigslist has now banned the advertisement of sexual services. Primarily because of at least 2 high profile serial killers that used it in order to find their victims. If a husband is going through a rough patch with his wife, and thinks that is an acceptable excuse to cheat then he is not worthy of being a husband. I don't get any pop ups on my PC and i believe that you could easily change these through the settings on your PC. Don't kid yourself that men don't actively seek out prostitutes- my website for example gets the most traffic from men actively googling escort and my town name, showing the intent to cheat. No it hasn't banned it. Sure, it finally took off the erotic services category, so the prostitutes have now switched to the casual encounters section, which is still there. They still advertise openly on there. As I said, I'm not letting the husbands off the hook on here, but I'm also not letting the "suppliers" off either, whose occupation consists mainly of servicing married men. It's a rotten occupation, and I'll call it out for what it is. It's destructive.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 I also have larger boobs than my bf, though for some reason his wiener is larger than mine. Oh no? Dump him post haste, and seek your equivalent. I guess we all have to become homosexual now, under this new SD regime. 1
casey1989 Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 No it hasn't banned it. Sure, it finally took off the erotic services category, so the prostitutes have now switched to the casual encounters section, which is still there. They still advertise openly on there. As I said, I'm not letting the husbands off the hook on here, but I'm also not letting the "suppliers" off either, whose occupation consists mainly of servicing married men. It's a rotten occupation, and I'll call it out for what it is. It's destructive. On the contrary you are letting them off the hook by saying that if they weren't tempted by other women it wouldn't happen. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Of course, if there weren't women out there purposely trying to seduce him, and sell their sexual favors to him, knowing full well he was married, then we wouldn't have this problem, would we? But, with this logic, ANY PERSON who might, under ANY circumstances, have sex without being married to the person with whom they are having it constitutes a potential threat to marriage, and enables cheating. Right? Am I correct in my understanding that according to you, sex should ONLY happen within the confines of a "one man / one woman" legal and religious marriage? Please answer. Also, do you think that this should be made law and enforced? And, does the fact that there are women who have sex with men who aren't their husbands (whether they are prostitutes or civilians, married or single themselves) make the fidelity of YOUR husband seem dubious to you? And, why do you think prostitutes "know full well" whether a john is married or not? I doubt many of them give a hoot about that. They are looking for money, not to be involved in any way with a man or his marriage, or lack of marriage. btw, a meat eater is an enabler of killing animals. Not that there's anything wrong with that, since God gave man dominion over animals to be used as food, Hm. Then does the existence of pigs enable "abominations"? Cause the Bible says to eat the swine is an abomination … Does the existence of retail stores enable shoplifting? Should they be banned? Are you a member of the congregation of the Westboro Baptist Church? 3
Els Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Umm, Kathy. The majority of those popups that you claim to see are actually malware and adware fodder. The links lead to malicious sites that hijack your browser session or harvest information for spam lists or steal your credit card information should you be stupid enough to key it in, etc. The pictures of girls are only used to mislead people into going there. Legit prostitution businesses do not actually do that. I can't believe you think those 'HOT GIRLS IN KANSAS!' photos are real. The women advertised usually don't even exist] Perhaps some are not real, but some are. Certainly the Craigslist ads have some that are legitimate. I know that for a fact. I also get pop ups for Ashley Madison--a website meant specifically for cheaters, which is not bogus. Yes, that is why your statements are ridiculous. Contrast someone saying, "Look! Dogs kill people all the time! We should outlaw dogs!" while posting all the articles they can find about dogs who DO kill their owners as 'evidence'.. with someone saying, "Some dogs turn on their owners, how can we alleviate that problem while still allowing people to keep dogs if they wish?". The former is an extreme stand that utilizes any fodder it can find to make false catch-all statements. Obviously that is going to get people telling you that you are wrong - which you are. That doesn't mean that there aren't really SOME dogs who do that. Equally so, there ARE prostitutes who do what you described, but all of your examples were wrong in the sense that: a) the vast majority of popup ads are hoaxes and NOT really prostitute ads, and b) the majority of countries that allow prostitution do not allow prostitutes to 'walk up to people at gas stations to solicit their services'. Of course it happens, but that is hardly an argument against legalization because the people who do it are doing so outside the law! 1
KathyM Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 That was not my question, and your answer doesn't even make sense. My question was: would you feel better if your husband tried to seek women to cheat on you with but none of them would agree to it, compared to if he tried and they agreed? What is your answer to that? If he tries and no woman agrees to it (as you said), then there is no infidelity, yes? I'm really not even sure I should bother, now that I read this. If you are such a fundamental religionist, then you are probably also of the opinion that premarital sex and homosexual relationships are wrong simply because the Bible says so, and in that case, it would be completely impossible to have a proper discussion about prostitution and legalization with you, since that is a much greyer area. For the third time, YES, I would feel better knowing he did not go through with the act, than if he had just wanted to or attempted to contact someone. Infidelity hurts all marriages involved. This is not strictly a Christian issue. Infidelity crosses all religions, as well as atheists. It hurts families of every faith and people with no faith or beliefs. No one is going to be OK with their husband going to prostitutes, regardless of their religious beliefs. Why you are trying to make this a Christian issue is rather strange, since it is all faiths and people with no faith or beliefs, that are negatively affected by infidelity. If you want to attack Christian principles, I suggest you go to one of those threads.
Els Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 A grocery store "enables" bulimia, too, right? OUTLAW THEM, I DEMAND IT Yeah, and those damn pharmaceutical companies keep putting ads on my computer tempting me with the offer of losing 15 lbs of belly fat in only 2 weeks with their fantastic new product! We need to outlaw the pharmaceutical industry, stat. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 On the contrary you are letting them off the hook by saying that if they weren't tempted by other women it wouldn't happen. I'm afraid that according to some sects that use the term "Christian" to describe themselves really believe that evil and temptation are the fault and realm of women (thanks, Eve). We can't seem to help ourselves. Except for certain specially Godly women, of course. Not like me. 2
d'Arthez Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 KathyM, since some married people cheat, should we outlaw marriage? 5
dasein Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Not necessarily true. With legalized gambling for example the legal version can offer everything the customers want. With prostitution, some customers want underage girls, want to abuse women/girls, etc. They want things that legal prostitution cannot provide. Those are separate types of criminal acts tangential to the practice of prostitution itself. Also, there is not a flexible and unlimited supply of willing prostitutes at any price. If legalization increases the demand supply has to come from somewhere, and that can be from trafficking usually. In the U.S. I don't imagine there would be a problem supplying willing prostitutes were it legal. I've known women who were in an economic pinch and have mentioned they were thinking of doing some light "escorting," and these were normal women, not crazy or drug addicts. Here's some evidence: The legalization of prostitution in some parts of Australia has thus resulted in a net growth of the industry. One of the results has been the trafficking in women and children to 'supply' legal and illegal brothels. This is evidence of poor enforcement and even possible government corruption, not that legal prostitution attracts illegal prostitution and trafficking. Same goes for Amsterdam. Solution? Clean up government, not restrict the freedom of the citizens. The 'sex entrepreneurs' have difficulty recruiting women locally to supply an expanding industry, and women from trafficking are more vulnerable and more profitable." Sounds like a baseless assertion; feminist infused academia is going to pump stuff like this out. As 123321's post demonstrates, the "trafficking" issue is an exaggerated feminist issue all over the world. This is just another example of feminism promoting its self-interest in maintaining sacred cows over addressing public issues in a reasonable way. Do you have any evidence of specific cases where legalization has decreased the prevalence of trafficking, nonconsensual prostitution, or underage prostitution? Scott No I don't, but do know the extent the "trafficking" issue has been exaggerated as part of a political agenda of asserting the victimization of women, and that when that happens, all sorts of bogus stats and studies are the result. The only real proof of whether legal prostitution attracts trafficking in the U.S. is currently in Nevada, and it's the burden of folks who claim increased slavery traffic will result to prove such with data from the well-established industry in that state. Based on every feminist statistic or study I've ever read being a lie or based on lies, am not going to spend time looking into the trafficking issue as I know it will end up being exaggerated, and know no reasoned analysis presented here will change anyone's mind. Such are the results of crying wolf for 50 years, people stop listening to it.
KathyM Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Password protecting your laptop does NOTHING to prevent malware spam ads from appearing on your... ROFL, never mind. This is actually becoming more funny than frustrating. I'm aware of that, dear girl. I mentioned my computer was password protected so people wouldn't start saying someone else was using my computer, searching for prostitute websites, and that is why those pop-up ads were appearing.
Els Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 For the third time, YES, I would feel better knowing he did not go through with the act, than if he had just wanted to or attempted to contact someone. I.. OMG. English is your first language, right? The options I offered were: 1) He attempted to contact someone and none of the women agreed to do it so he didn't do it. 2) He attempted to contact someone and the woman agreed to do it so he did it. You notice that your husband's action in both cases is the same. The only difference is what the woman, or the enabler, in your description, does. Please pick 1 or 2? Infidelity hurts all marriages involved. This is not strictly a Christian issue. Infidelity crosses all religions, as well as atheists. It hurts families of every faith and people with no faith or beliefs. No one is going to be OK with their husband going to prostitutes, regardless of their religious beliefs. Why you are trying to make this a Christian issue is rather strange, since it is all faiths and people with no faith or beliefs, that are negatively affected by infidelity. If you want to attack Christian principles, I suggest you go to one of those threads. I was not making it a Christian issue. You brought up Christianity first. What is your stance on premarital sex and the legalization of homosexual marriages, then?
KathyM Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 I don't see any of that, maybe it's just you? So you've never gone on Craigslist, but yet you seem to know several hookers and the marital status of all of their clients.
casey1989 Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 I'm afraid that according to some sects that use the term "Christian" to describe themselves really believe that evil and temptation are the fault and realm of women (thanks, Eve). We can't seem to help ourselves. Except for certain specially Godly women, of course. Not like me. I actually quite enjoy speaking to the famous religious fundamentalists in the USA. I am involved in studying religious sects and moral issues, so it's all of genuine interest to me, and doesn't offend me personally at all Ah the infamous Eve... maybe for my next photo shoot I'll be eating an apple with a snake wrapped around my arm?!
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Infidelity hurts all marriages involved. This is not strictly a Christian issue. Infidelity crosses all religions, as well as atheists. It hurts families of every faith and people with no faith or beliefs. No one is going to be OK with their husband going to prostitutes, regardless of their religious beliefs. Nobody is disagreeing with you (well, except for the OP, who tells us in no uncertain terms that she is okay with her boyfriend going to prostitutes). Everybody, or almost, anyway, is disagreeing with you that prostitution and prostitutes are enabling your husband to be unfaithful to you. He'll be unfaithful with or without prostitutes if that's what kind of a husband you have. 2
johan Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Yeah. I think a jerk's going to be a jerk. If he doesn't have a prostitute to go to, he'll find other outlets. The question boils down to whether the prostitute is part of the problem, or whether the blame goes onto the jerk's shoulders completely. Is the prostitute shirking some responsibility by saying it's all him? Also, maybe it would be interesting to leave the infidelity question aside. If married men never went to prostitutes, and only single, unattached men did, would people still look down on prostitutes? In other words, is there something fundamentally wrong with what they do, independent from who uses their services? That's a more interesting question in my opinion. 3
KathyM Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Well in my country this is not how it works. In countries where prostitution is legalized, women advertise and contact men. Are you saying no prostitute in your country ever sets foot in a hotel to pick up men? I wouldn't believe you. In some of those countries where it is legalized, the conceirge at the hotel even asks a guy if he wants to have a woman sent up to his room. They willingly allow prostitutes to mingle in their hotels to pick up men.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 In other words, is there something fundamentally wrong with what they do, independent from who uses their services? That's a more interesting question in my opinion. I actually thought that was the intent behind the original question. How we took a turn into the infidelity quagmire is kind of puzzling. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 In countries where prostitution is legalized, women advertise and contact men. Are you saying no prostitute in your country ever sets foot in a hotel to pick up men? I wouldn't believe you. In some of those countries where it is legalized, the conceirge at the hotel even asks a guy if he wants to have a woman sent up to his room. They willingly allow prostitutes to mingle in their hotels to pick up men. In the United States, prostitution is legal in Nevada … and the things you describe are strictly against the law. Not to say they don't happen there … in San Francisco, New York and maybe in your town as well.
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Speaking of Craigslist, it is a very benign looking interface. You're not going to see popups of lascivious ladies when you log on there. You have to actively look to find the naughty stuff. Which I do, sometimes, out of prurient curiosity or for laughs. And in spite of that fact, popups for AshleyMadison or other bad girl stuff NEVER shows up on my screen. Kathy … is there something you aren't sharing with us here? You seem to be pretty much on your own here with the unwanted prostitutes flaunting themselves unbidden on your computer screen. 2
casey1989 Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 In countries where prostitution is legalized, women advertise and contact men. Are you saying no prostitute in your country ever sets foot in a hotel to pick up men? I wouldn't believe you. In some of those countries where it is legalized, the conceirge at the hotel even asks a guy if he wants to have a woman sent up to his room. They willingly allow prostitutes to mingle in their hotels to pick up men. Maybe you should look at the laws for the UK. It is illegal for us to solicit men. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever, what I'm saying is that it is not the norm. If working girls are at hotels these days, they are working in a room in the hotel (this is called an incall) and the men that are visiting that day have found there details online, and set up an appointment. The last thing most of us want to do is draw attention to the fact we are at the hotel, so no, we do not mingle in the hotel, or try to pick up clients when we are there. And often we are thrown out of hotels if they find out we are working from the rooms or they tun a blind eye- it depends on their policy. Do hotels actively encourage the men at the hotels to use a prostitute? No, never.
casey1989 Posted June 12, 2012 Posted June 12, 2012 Speaking of Craigslist, it is a very benign looking interface. You're not going to see popups of lascivious ladies when you log on there. You have to actively look to find the naughty stuff. Which I do, sometimes, out of prurient curiosity or for laughs. And in spite of that fact, popups for AshleyMadison or other bad girl stuff NEVER shows up on my screen. Kathy … is there something you aren't sharing with us here? You seem to be pretty much on your own here with the unwanted prostitutes flaunting themselves unbidden on your computer screen. This actually made me LOL.
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