snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 This is all exaggerated. I have worked with women who were close to 10s before. -Because they’re pretty, generally, nobody gives a f*ck about how hard they may have it ----> which, you just verified with the comment you posted above.
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 -Because they’re pretty, generally, nobody gives a f*ck about how hard they may have it ----> which, you just verified with the comment you posted above. I didn't say pretty people don't have problems. If you're hot and you get colon cancer, people will give a f@ck about it. Believe me. It happened to one of my friends. He was REALLY good looking. And a lot of people cared. I just said your examples are not really good.
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 -Because they’re pretty, generally, nobody gives a f*ck about how hard they may have it ----> which, you just verified with the comment you posted above. I don't buy it, not for one second and i know from first hand experience My sister is very beautiful and she was worshipped by men from pretty much the age of 14 and forward She had her first boyfriend at the age of 15. By 21, she was dating a man who made over 250,000 a year and by 25 she married a man who makes over 500,000 a year (a very nice guy who I love to death) She's been approached by men non stop everytime I ever went out with her anywhere. She had 4 boyfriends and could have had 50 and they were all established and good looking gentlemen. My other sister is not as good looking but on a similar level and her story is pretty similar as well. She's always had boyfriends and always been approached by men If you're in the top 10% and especially top 5% of women who are pretty, everything is handed to you on a silver platter
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I just said your examples are not really good. Well, they may not be good, for YOU. But, hey, no worries....
udolipixie Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 This is all exaggerated. I have worked with women who were close to 10s before. -If you are smart, people will think you are smart. Not necessarily as studies have shown that people generally tend to attribute traits based on looks. Such as guys = smart & dumb = gal and fat = nice & thin = mean. -Guys will respect you and back off, especially if you have a BF. In my experiences it seems most guys aren't respectful thus sexual harassment, street harassment, catcalling, and other vulgarities. A guy will usually back off but when is a tossup there's as guys tend to respond negatively a few violently when dealing with rejection. -Why would you want to be friends with petty, shallow bitches anyway unless you are one yourself, then you probably hate them too. I don't think it's a matter of wanting to be friends with such gals but wanting other gals hating you not being a normal or expected occurrence. -If the good guys aren't good looking, you don't want 'em anyway, so you don't want them approaching. This seems to be overlooking the notion the gal won't be getting what she wants as her options are either 'good guy I'm not attracted to' or 'hot guy who isn't relationship material'. -Vulgar statements like that get made to a lot of women, hot or not. With the meme often seeming to be what did she expect, it's natural for guys to appreciate beauty, and take it as a compliment so any outcries especially from attractive gals tend to get answered with 'shut up & put up', 'attention seeker', or 'you'll miss it when you hit X'. It's exaggerated based on your experiences. It's not exaggerated based on mine and gals who are generally considered 8s-9s.
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I don't buy it, not for one second and i know from first hand experience My sister is very beautiful and she was worshipped by men from pretty much the age of 14 and forward She had her first boyfriend at the age of 15. By 21, she was dating a man who made over 250,000 a year and by 25 she married a man who makes over 500,000 a year (a very nice guy who I love to death) So, I guess it's an even trade off then. She's worshiped for her looks, in exchange for men who have lots of money... My other sister is not as good looking but on a similar level and her story is pretty similar as well. She's always had boyfriends and always been approached by men So, would that mean, that she is average?
LXP Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Here you go: -You’re an object to men. -You never know why someone likes you. -You can be intimidating without trying. -You can come across as aloof even if you’re just shy. -You’re instantly hated by a lot of other women. -You’re assumed to be dumb by many men. -You may be insecure, but people have trouble believing it. -Men see you as a trophy and all the good guys see you as unattainable and high-maintenance. -The few men that do approach her are all players who like to play head games just to get into her panties and claim her as a trophy. -Comments like "your so hot, I want to *blank* on your t*ts. -Cheap verbal shots from men to make you feel bad about yourself -Because they’re pretty, generally, nobody gives a f*ck about how hard they may have it ----> which, you just verified with the comment you posted above. Thank you. Hi Smug Bunny. I just turned 36 and have been on just a couple dozen first dates in my lifetime and just one progressed a couple of weeks, in which case she chose another guy. I'm average looking, good job, few friends. Let's hypothetically suppose I muster the courage to ask one of these beatuful women out on a date. What would happen?
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) So, I guess it's an even trade off then. She's worshiped for her looks, in exchange for men who have lots of money... Those are the difficulties you're talking about? Being 25 years old and driving a 100,000 BMW for no other reason than you're pretty? I'll have to sweat and bleed for 20 years to have half the lifestyle that she has now and she was literally handed that on a silver platter I love her to death, I love my brother in law to death and I'm not jealous at all (In fact I'm very very happy about their success). All I'm saying is just keep things in perspective. Not only were these men very well off, they were all good looking and genuinely good guys who I liked The point is that you would be horrified at the life your average single man leads. You would go home crying when you saw just how many times the average man gets rejected in a week, just 1 week I don't doubt for one second that women have it every bit as hard as men do in the dating game, but that's the overall picture. The top 10% of women and especially the top 5% are living very very very well. A beautiful woman complaining about dating is like Bill Gates' son complaining about money So, would that mean, that she is average? not at all, both my sisters are gorgeous. My middle one is more of a total knockout supermodel while the older one is more of a next door pretty girl. The older one never received quite as much attention, but she never had any problem with men approaching her either. Edited May 24, 2012 by HallowedBeThyName
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Hi Smug Bunny. I just turned 36 and have been on just a couple dozen first dates in my lifetime and just one progressed a couple of weeks, in which case she chose another guy. I'm average looking, good job, few friends. Let's hypothetically suppose I muster the courage to ask one of these beatuful women out on a date. What would happen? That stinks. What would happen? I can't really predict what would happen. Maybe try asking someone out in real life when you're feeling up to it and report back.
LXP Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Come on People! I thought it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE that finding and ending up with the person you eventually will marry or whatever it is you are looking for is a process that takes time. Meaning... You will get rejected, date around, date some winners, date some losers, have several long term relationships that end in a break up, get screwed over, screw some people over, have disappointments, have ups and downs, good days, bad days, make mistakes, learn from your mistakes, your GF / BF picker becomes more selective as you mature and grow, etc. I am starting to wonder if I am the only person who knows / realizes this. Hiya Gibson. My process hasn't worked out quite that way. It's been get rejected, get rejected more, get fed up, quit dating, give it another go, get rejected, get rejected... I'm 36 and haven't gotten more than three dates from anyone. Three dates, she was multidating and she chose the other guy very apologetically. Rather than ups and downs, it's just about all downs.
Els Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Nah, not bad at all from my observations - most average-looking men I know are or have been in relationship(s). It's difficult to believe that when YOU are the outlier though - which many posters here are, since perpetual singleness is one of the reasons people come to LS.
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Those are the difficulties you're talking about? Being 25 years old and driving a 100,000 BMW for no other reason than you're pretty? I'll have to sweat and bleed for 20 years to have half the lifestyle that she has now and she was literally handed that on a silver platter I love her to death, I love my brother in law to death and I'm not jealous at all (In fact I'm very very happy about their success). All I'm saying is just keep things in perspective. Not only were these men very well off, they were all good looking and genuinely good guys who I liked The point is that you would be horrified at the life your average single man leads. You would go home crying when you saw just how many times the average man gets rejected in a week, just 1 week I don't doubt for one second that women have it every bit as hard as men do in the dating game, but that's the overall picture. The top 10% of women and especially the top 5% are living very very very well. A beautiful woman complaining about dating is like Bill Gates' son complaining about money not at all, both my sisters are gorgeous. My middle one is more of a total knockout supermodel while the older one is more of a next door pretty girl. The older one never received quite as much attention, but she never had any problem with men approaching her either. I wasn't trying to debate who has it harder (men versus women), but it seems to have gone in that direction... The discussion stemmed from your comment of "10% of pretty women having it easy", which I am not even sure how you reached that conclusion in terms of percentage, to begin with. That is all.
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Well, they may not be good, for YOU. But, hey, no worries.... Hiya Gibson. My process hasn't worked out quite that way. It's been get rejected, get rejected more, get fed up, quit dating, give it another go, get rejected, get rejected... I'm 36 and haven't gotten more than three dates from anyone. Three dates, she was multidating and she chose the other guy very apologetically. Rather than ups and downs, it's just about all downs. Are you trying to say that a really hot girl has it just as bad as LXP? I cannot accept that. Sorry.
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I wasn't trying to debate who has it harder (men versus women), but it seems to have gone in that direction... The discussion stemmed from your comment of "10% of pretty women having it easy", which I am not even sure how you reached that conclusion in terms of percentage, to begin with. That is all. My point was relativity Pretty women have it a 100 times easier than anybody else. I am not saying they don't have problems, we all have problems If you switched lives with any avg single man, your mind would be blown at how easy you have it now compared to the rest of society
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I'm kind of shy but I have asked girls out. I've never asked out an attractive girl. I've stuck to the averge/below averge and have done poorly. I've gotten one date and many rejections, some very unkind. I'd be fearful I'd be laughed at if I were to ask out an attractive girl, so I haven't. I think I'm average looking, make more money than average, but social skills are below. Social skills are key. We're social beings, after all. I've struggled with my own set of insecurities and I've slowly learned how to build my self back up, through hard work and determination. It's a lifelong commitment.
mesmerized Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 My point was relativity Pretty women have it a 100 times easier than anybody else. I am not saying they don't have problems, we all have problems If you switched lives with any avg single man, your mind would be blown at how easy you have it now compared to the rest of society I'm considered a pretty woman by a lot of people and I don't have it 100 times easier than anybody
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Are you trying to say that a really hot girl has it just as bad as LXP? I cannot accept that. Sorry. No. No where did I say that. What I said, is that people have their own set of struggles, their just different from your own. 1
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Hi Smug Bunny. I just turned 36 and have been on just a couple dozen first dates in my lifetime and just one progressed a couple of weeks, in which case she chose another guy. I'm average looking, good job, few friends. Let's hypothetically suppose I muster the courage to ask one of these beatuful women out on a date. What would happen? That stinks. What would happen? I can't really predict what would happen. Maybe try asking someone out in real life when you're feeling up to it and report back. She's being nice man. You need to improve your game before you can move up to ask out a really hot woman (or a woman who has been made to believe she is really hot). She has options and there is a reason that you have never had a girlfriend at age 36. You just have no chance. It's just the way life is. Figure out what the problem is and start small and work your way up.
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 They are and it's been a 36 year battle, often trying, getting frustrated, coming back, trying again. I misread social signs and cues and can't tell when a girl is interested. They say it's all body language but I can't see it. I've mistakenly asked out girls with boyfriends nearby. Awkward/embarrassing. I try but I can't help but wonder if relationship/marriage prospects are bleak. I feel ya. Yes, body language contains a lot of information, but sometimes can be hard to read.
FryFish Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 That stinks. What would happen? I can't really predict what would happen. Maybe try asking someone out in real life when you're feeling up to it and report back.lol... 1 time in a million tries he wont be rejected... The rest of that million is going to be rejection... They are and it's been a 36 year battle, often trying, getting frustrated, coming back, trying again. I misread social signs and cues and can't tell when a girl is interested. They say it's all body language but I can't see it. I've mistakenly asked out girls with boyfriends nearby. Awkward/embarrassing. I try but I can't help but wonder if relationship/marriage prospects are bleak. Reading them is tuff if you dont have lots of data to go over and analyse... and sadly, you cant get that data without a good deal of awkward social interaction... But it WILL be worth it... And at the stage of the game you are in, if a girl shows you any interest at all and you find her attractive you really need to just go all in... Be brave and ask her out...
lino Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I think right now it's easier than ever to get casual sex, for both men and women. Finding a woman who is genuinely and equally as into you as you are her is very tough. I'm in my first ever serious relationship right now and I went through several rejections before ... not at the initial stage though, like a lot of men seem to be on here but a little later on when as a couple you are supposed to progress from 'seeing' each other to being 'proper' boyfriend & girlfriend. In my past I had 'hooked up ' with and begun 'seeing' several girls which I considered as proper girlfriends but they didn't see me as a proper boyfriend ... more as someone to use as a stepping stone while moving onto the next 'bigger & better' deal. This sort of thing happened to me repeatedly but after changing some things about myself and some luck I'm finally with someone I feel is genuine. I think when a guy works out how to spot the 'stepping stone' girls from the genuine ones, he'll have much more success ... much easier said than done though! 1
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I figure asked a hot or above woman out would result in disaster. A rejection without laughter would almost feel good. I figure I'd have no chance so I don't ask them out ever. What the problem is? I have no idea. I've been working on it for 36 years and I still have no idea. It's tough. I know some guys around that age who have gotten virtually nothing too. Keep plugging lol... 1 time in a million tries he wont be rejected... The rest of that million is going to be rejection... Lol. I think that might be the hot woman population of the entire planet. Although the population of women who think are hot is probably more like 100 million.
snug.bunny Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Thnak you snug bunny. I wish it were just hard to read, but it's darn impossible to read. I try to read it but I get it wrong. One friend says it's genetic and he may be onto something, but if it is I'm kinda sunk. I'm glad too. Don't let your battleship get sunk, I hope you find love.
JuneJulySeptember Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Do they even find a girl that sticks with them so late in the game? I don't know, because they've gotten nothing. Hopefully they will.
counterman Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I would say it's not really that bad. When I sat around and did nothing, it was bad because I didn't make an effort, so there was an absolute no chance of anything happening. When I make an effort, I did still get rejected a lot but at least I got some as well The guys around me who have it bad are those that are scared of trying out of fear of being rejected. They haven't been in a date, ever.
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