Alma Mobley Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I am against any misogyny or misandry or anything else as I am pro-democracy and against any oppression of people or degradation of humanity. Why are men in a "dark place"? And women not? I don't think there is a gender issue. I think there is a humanity issue. I think lack of empathy is a real problem in society, in general. These are the issues I struggle with and they have no sex or gender. They are only people. The way men who are in the same painful and dark place I have been get piled on shows a serious lack of empathy and compassion. I don't know what modern feminism is. If it is about equality I for it but if it is about misandry then I am against it. 1
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 If his personality in real life is just like his personality on LS, AND he is as hot as he is, then I can only think of two reasons why he is single: 1) he has an incredibly small penis 2) he has a big issue (jealousy, controlling etc) or 3) like myself, he wants to find an equivalent to him, and there isn't a girl as physically attractive with an equally great personality Most likely it's the third option, and I don't blame him. Probably in his case, he will end up settling, which is unfair considering there are plenty of great girl who would match him. My question to him would be if he gets shy or nervous to approach a really great girl who would otherwise be interested in him. I'm just very shy I guess and I have been very unlucky perhaps in that I've never had any easy opportunities to get to know girls like that I don't have the same standards that you have by the way. Any girl who is somewhat cute, not fat and is a nice person is good enough for me. If I were to look for a woman with a similar quality physique to mine, I would be dealing with golddiggers and all sorts of other superficial women that I want nothing to do with. I want nothing to do with pornstar or stripper types As long as a girl has a somewhat cute face and is not fat, the most important thing for me is that she's a nice person, low maintenance, treats me well, is considerate, etc...
somedude81 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 A woman proportional to yourself is not wrong, but maybe you should not say you want an average girl as the average in US is overweight. I think it's the terms you use. Also, large breasts (C+) is also not average, esp if you are looking at the under 30 crowd who are not overweight! Such a shame average is now overweight. But as a non-overweight guy, that makes me above average right? And yes I know that C+ is not average, that is why I said I am fine with a B, which is average, but bigger is better.
Woggle Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I am against any misogyny or misandry or anything else as I am pro-democracy and against any oppression of people or degradation of humanity. Why are men in a "dark place"? And women not? I don't think there is a gender issue. I think there is a humanity issue. I think lack of empathy is a real problem in society, in general. These are the issues I struggle with and they have no sex or gender. They are only people. I think many men are because we don't know whether we are coming or going anymore but I do admit women have tons of issues as well. Why not just try and make this world a better place for everybody regardless of gender instead of just throwing hatred back and forth?
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I think that is because you underestimate how much time women do spend on their appearance. Once you have formed a long term relationship' date=' you will really appreciate how much time a woman needs to look good.[/quote'] I'm not saying girls don't spend alot of time to look good in terms of makeup or hair, but physique wise? No sorry, it's not even close. I'm not saying that to insult anybody, I'm just being realistic The average woman would collapse if she attempted the kind of intensity I work out with. I did 3 sets of 5 reps of 350 LB bench press yesterday and it was the most intense thing I've ever experienced. The women with the best looking physique in the gym were probably doing 5 LB pink dumbbell curls at the same time You guys just don't understand how hard it is for men to have that Brad Pitt, Chris Hemsworth and Christian Bale physique that you guys love so much. Not that I don't love it, which I do, but we gotta keep things real
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I'm just very shy I guess and I have been very unlucky perhaps in that I've never had any easy opportunities to get to know girls like that I don't have the same standards that you have by the way. Any girl who is somewhat cute, not fat and is a nice person is good enough for me. If I were to look for a woman with a similar quality physique to mine, I would be dealing with golddiggers and all sorts of other superficial women that I want nothing to do with. I want nothing to do with pornstar or stripper types As long as a girl has a somewhat cute face and is not fat, the most important thing for me is that she's a nice person, low maintenance, treats me well, is considerate, etc... Then the answer to your problems seems to bit to rid of your shyness. I'm surprised though. When I see average women with men like you, I get upset. I know such incredible women (physically and otherwise) who deserve a guy like HBTN, yet he settles for the girl who should be with the average joe. Good for you for not being picky and with standards too high, but it's a loss to the rest of us. Oh well.
Kamille Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 You guys just don't understand how hard it is for men to have that Brad Pitt, Chris Hemsworth and Christian Bale physique that you guys love so much. Not that I don't love it, which I do, but we gotta keep things real You put that pressure on yourself. You have an amazing smile. I'd notice you just for that smile. 1
Alma Mobley Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I just see that as very immature. I am extremely attracted to large breasts but a woman with average size ones, who is pretty far from my ideal can still be very attractive to me. Let me put it this way, my ideal woman is white, 5'4, long blond hair to her mid back, more cute than sexy, green or blue eyes, thin/toned, and somewhere between an E and G cup. Yet I can be completely attracted to an Asian girl who might not meet any of those requirements except for not being fat or ugly. But you would not be attracted to me either, right? I am 5'7, long hair, 130lbs, pale, green eyes, black hair (oops) and over 35 (oops!), natural D-cups. That's just the way it is. I'm okay with you not liking me, but you (and guys like you) don't seem to be okay us not liking you. Just trying to make a point, folks, put away the pitchforks.
snug.bunny Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Guy A has a broken arm... Girl A has a broken leg... Which of the two has it harder? Go! 1
d'Arthez Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 From earlier in this thread: Men and women become commodified even in their "free time" (free time is already a misnomer). Capitalism' date=' fully unleashed, is shaping the world in its own image. And it is not a pretty sight.[/quote'] From another thread. Men's stereotypical roles are far more one-dimensional (bring in money, screw wife and she will pop out the kids; his will was law), than women's roles, who stereotypically are portrayed as the passive participants, and only have their looks to win a man over, and a whole series of social mores, which were never as strictly applied to young men (the whole virginity / chastity issue). At least the second wave feminism gave women more of a choice - they could actually use their brains to compete as well. However, because real wages have declined massively over the past 40 years, this simply means that women now have to be both beautiful and smart to attract the best mates. Great! Talk about increasing pressure on women. For men, the effect has been slightly different. It is not a complete coincidence that a lot of men feel threatened by feminism - it has given women a choice in whom to pursue a life with, and if the women wants she is not forced to stay in an abusive marriage or relationship (one of the reasons divorce rates were lower 50 years ago is exactly that: women staying in abusive marriages, because they had no financially viable alternative). However blaming feminism is buying into ideological deflection. It is not women's fault that capitalism has some serious defects. Smart men are feminists.
Anela Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I'm surprised though. When I see average women with men like you, I get upset. I know such incredible women (physically and otherwise) who deserve a guy like HBTN, yet he settles for the girl who should be with the average joe. Good for you for not being picky and with standards too high, but it's a loss to the rest of us. Oh well. Okay, I think I'm exiting this thread now. I'm an Average Jane, and it's bad enough that I get down on myself, without having to hear it from others. I don't need to hear that I might be settled for, from another woman, when that has already been one concern of mine.
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 You put that pressure on yourself. You have an amazing smile. I'd notice you just for that smile. No it's no pressure at all, I apologize if it came across that way but I would workout like an animal possessed if I was the only human on the planet. I absolutely love doing that with every ounce of my being My point was that it's much much harder for men to have "the perfect physique" than it is for women to have the "perfect physique". Truth be told, it probably evens out because women spend way more time with things like hair and makeup, but I imagine that's another topic for another debate
johan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I don't know. Maybe I came here when the women were more empathetic. They still treat you that way, Woggle. You are still supported and encouraged. When you post that things are going better for you, how many women jump on and clap their hands with glee? So why is it different for those other guys? I asssume you read their posts, right? And why don't you post helpful comments when they seem to be off track? I don't see you setting any examples for anyone else to follow. Dust did. You have on your own realized that the mindset you have had for so long is not healthy. But you seem to encourage it in those other guys. Is that how you help them? Is that what you wanted people here to do for you? 1
Anela Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 You put that pressure on yourself. You have an amazing smile. I'd notice you just for that smile. So would I. Guy A has a broken arm... Girl A has a broken leg... Which of the two has it harder? Go!
Woggle Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 They still treat you that way, Woggle. You are still supported and encouraged. When you post that things are going better for you, how many women jump on and clap their hands with glee? So why is it different for those other guys? I asssume you read their posts, right? And why don't you post helpful comments when they seem to be off track? I don't see you setting any examples for anyone else to follow. Dust did. You have on your own realized that the mindset you have had for so long is not healthy. But you seem to encourage it in those other guys. Is that how you help them? Is that what you wanted people here to do for you? Maybe because they remember me from those days. These other guys are still new to them. I also sometimes have a knee jerk reaction myself when I see the subtle misandry not from most old timers but many of the new women.
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Then the answer to your problems seems to bit to rid of your shyness. I'm surprised though. When I see average women with men like you, I get upset. I know such incredible women (physically and otherwise) who deserve a guy like HBTN, yet he settles for the girl who should be with the average joe. Good for you for not being picky and with standards too high, but it's a loss to the rest of us. Oh well. I'm not very superficial All I want is a girl who is somewhat attractive and is a great person and would be loyal to me. I would gladly date an average Jane with a somewhat cute face any day of the week If I were to meet a girl who is a knockout and is a nice person, then that would be fantastic but It's not a huge priority for me. Also I avoid women with any superficial traits like the plague and a lot of good looking women are very superficial
Kamille Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Maybe because they remember me from those days. These other guys are still new to them. I also sometimes have a knee jerk reaction myself when I see the subtle misandry not from most old timers but many of the new women. No, the main reason is that you're willing to change. As far as I can tell, the new women found a niche here because their misandry finds echo in LS' in-house misogyny. Both groups gets to egg each other on and live unhappily ever after.
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I'm not very superficial All I want is a girl who is somewhat attractive and is a great person and would be loyal to me. I would gladly date an average Jane with a cute face any day of the week I know. I'm saying that's a loss because you can get your "dream girl" if you wanted. Anyways...
ThaWholigan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 If you want me to be honest, it's 50 times harder for me to look like that than it is for the average woman to look good I work out 5-6 times a week, consistently manipulate my calories in terms of gaining muscle or losing fat and generally invest 100% of myself to really get the results. It took me about 3 years to look like that, the avg woman can have a perfect body with just 5 to 6 months of lifting weights and watching what she eats I dunno. I'm not really a fit man (trying to be currently ), but honestly I wouldn't see it as being so hard as you guys make it out to be. You make it sound like it's an office job . I was trying to make the point to Somedude that it shouldn't be seen as this incredible feat to be fit and look pretty good.
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I dunno. I'm not really a fit man (trying to be currently ), but honestly I wouldn't see it as being so hard as you guys make it out to be. You make it sound like it's an office job . I was trying to make the point to Somedude that it shouldn't be seen as this incredible feat to be fit and look pretty good. I've been told that it's far easier for some men to be in this shape than it is for others. It eventually comes down to genetics.
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I dunno. I'm not really a fit man (trying to be currently ), but honestly I wouldn't see it as being so hard as you guys make it out to be. You make it sound like it's an office job . I was trying to make the point to Somedude that it shouldn't be seen as this incredible feat to be fit and look pretty good. Well keep in mind, I'm very hardcore about my bodybuilding lifestyle. I go above and beyond in that area You can be in good shape and look very good as a man with a fraction of my commitment. I only do it cause I love doing it I know. I'm saying that's a loss because you can get your "dream girl" if you wanted. Anyways... You don't think that "sexy"/"hot" women tend to be superficial/high maintenance though?
Alma Mobley Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I think many men are because we don't know whether we are coming or going anymore but I do admit women have tons of issues as well. Why not just try and make this world a better place for everybody regardless of gender instead of just throwing hatred back and forth? Isn't that what I just said??
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 So would I. thank you guys, I appreciate the love 1
ThaWholigan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Well keep in mind, I'm very hardcore about my bodybuilding lifestyle. I go above and beyond in that area You can be in good shape and look very good as a man with a fraction of my commitment. I only do it cause I love doing it I hear that. I have taken a new interest in fitness recently, courtesy of my very fit dad. So I can certainly see myself taking it very seriously in the future, considering that I now have ambitions of being much more athletic. It's good that you do it for you, I'm pleased to hear that. You don't think that "sexy"/"hot" women tend to be superficial/high maintenance though? Speaking from my own limited experience (like you, I'm 23 and never had a GF), the most beautiful women I've met aren't really as superficial as they may seem. They aren't looking for the most perfect dude in the world either, they are actually really naturally beautiful within and without. I curse my own insecurities for preventing me the pleasure of their intimate company, but such is life .
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