HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I gotta add something here though I can understand the dating game being difficult if you're over the age of 30 or you're not all that attractive/toned as a woman, but any young girl who has a cute face and is in good shape complaining that the dating game is difficult is the equivalent of a person born into a million dollar company complaining about money It's just ridiculous and I can't take you seriously when you say things like "I always have a good number of good looking and nice guys who want to have sex or have some casual fun, but I can't find ones with the perfect personality who wants to have a relationship and give me everything I want" Those aren't real complaints. Those are people born into millionaire families complaining that the Porsche they received at 16 only goes 180 MPH instead of 220 MPH 2
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Well if she feels like she is above her equivalent that is her problem. Don't blame men for what many women put upon themselves and each other. It's the female and gay male dominated fashion industry that pushes this idea that women needed to look malnourished in order to be attractive. Then she is stupid for following these social constructions. A smart women knows she doesn't need to be thin to be sexy. And a man should want a woman like this, one who is smart enough to be sexy. And I didn't say she feels above her equivalent. So many men here on LS say "an average woman thinks she is so hot and wants a guy out of her league". I'm rebutting this by saying that the REASON a woman wants a guy out of her league is because she thinks he is her equivalent. She thinks this because of the reasons I mentioned. So she isn't "above her equivalent" according to her. Her "equivalent" as you men say, is an average slob joe who she doesn't want because he doesn't care as much about appearance as she does.
Imajerk17 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Profile of an LL. They fear rejection so much, they won't try and then cry because women aren't approaching them. There's also an element of jealousy towards women which is bizarre. Eh well. Who cares about their dating struggles really. That's just more women for me! 1
Woggle Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Just because somebody thinks something does not mean it actually is true. Self delusion is an epidemic amongst both sexes.
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 That's enough pressure right there. If men want to get a girl, they have to look good. Wow. I want a man who looks good, but I suppose there's too much pressure on a guy for that actually to happen. Maybe I should quit the gym and totally let go, eat nasty food, get pimples and get fat. That way, I won't feel the pressure to look good and won't have to complain anymore! 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Who cares if somebody wants a person who YOU believe is "above her equivalent" anyway? Why is that your business? Either she likes YOU or she does not like YOU. You will be happier finding a woman who likes YOU for who you really are than one who "lowers her standards" (from HER perspective) to date you. If she is totally delusional, you have dodged a bullet. Your idea of "your equivalent" is probably vastly different from the outside worlds' perception. This goes for your opinions about what the proper equivalent for any specific woman should or should not be. We like what we like. That's it. 2
Woggle Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I do care because it sucks but place the blame where it belongs. They remind me of men who whine because they are not rich enough to get a trophy wife. My friend's 17 year old daughter is the kind who marches to her own drummer and generally does not fit in with the in crowd. She is very smart and can't wait to go away to college where in her words freaks like her are better accepted. The girls at her school bully her mercilessly and the school faculty which is probably mostly female doesn't seem to care one bit. In fact with all the crap they do to her she got in trouble for fighting back and calling one of them a future plastic surgery disaster. The only people who are nice to her are the boys and one male teacher who really is trying to get her a scholarship. Women are often much harder on each other than men are hard on them.
Imajerk17 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 That's enough pressure right there. If men want to get a girl, they have to look good. Exactly, men don't judge women on their appearance anywhere as much as women do. And I really don't give a damn that women feel pressure to look good from other women. Just as women don't give a damn that you struggle with them, and whining will not convince them to give up their standards and give you a shot. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Exactly, men don't judge women on their appearance anywhere as much as women do. And I really don't give a damn that women feel pressure to look good from other women. That's ironic and funny, coming from the guy who's list of requirements for a potential girlfriend ONLY contains looks-related qualities except for "similar hobbies," if I recall correctly. I think it's really weird how you frequently say that you "don't give a damn" or that things that you don't care about "don't count," too. Go ahead with that - but most of the people who are out having relationships and enjoying social lives are managing to muster up some care about what is meaningful to others, even if it's foreign to their own way of thinking. 3
Woggle Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 It's not that it affects me but stop going around and blaming men because the ones you deem worthy won't lower their standards according to their perspective. I don't care but this whole men are awful and there are no good men chorus gets annoying when many women create their own problems.
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Women are often much harder on each other than men are hard on them. This is absolutely true. Now imagine. If a woman is that hard on herself, imagine how she is with men? I don't know. I'm don't think I'm hard on myself, and i'm definitely not hard on other people. If I meet a guy I don't like, I never make him feel like that. I simply frown to myself and move on to the next one. But if a person sets expectations for themselves that they CAN fill, then I don't see why they can't want a man who is capable of doing the same. I go to the gym and maintain a healthy and toned body. If I can do it, I expect my man to be able to do it. I don't think that's being too hard on him. Yet somehow, apparently it is! I just don't get it 1
ThaWholigan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 This thread is pointless. Lovable Losers: Whining about how women want a guy better than them is dumb. What you're really saying is that women want a guy better than YOU. this^^. It's sad really, that they place themselves below a ceiling when there are so many roads to the sky. Profile of an LL. They fear rejection so much, they won't try and then cry because women aren't approaching them. There's also an element of jealousy towards women which is bizarre. Yes, a jealousy that women "can get laid or get an SO whenever they want". Forgoing the fact that "giving someone 'average' a chance" isn't a luxury anybody wants when it comes to dating, women or men. So they are less likely to actually find someone who they actually WANT. THere's nothing bad about that, I wouldn't want to have to deal with a horde of women I have no interest in for sex or dating, so I don't see why a woman should have to give someone a chance when she doesn't even like them? 1
ThaWholigan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Wow. I want a man who looks good, but I suppose there's too much pressure on a guy for that actually to happen. Maybe I should quit the gym and totally let go, eat nasty food, get pimples and get fat. That way, I won't feel the pressure to look good and won't have to complain anymore! LOL It's not even THAT hard to look good enough to get a date. As a man or a woman.
somedude81 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I think perhaps that is why women want men that are "too good" for them and feel they are entitled to him. I think since a woman puts so much effort into her appearance, she expects the same from a man. Coincidentally, men who care as much about their appearance have incredible bodies and so, a woman feels that he is her equivalent and that is what she deserves. IMO, men that have incredible bodies, put in a hell of a lot more effort into their appearance then the average woman. So tell me, how much effort does the average woman put into her appearance, and how is it more than men? I can tell you right now, that I put in more effort into my appearance than my crush did. We were also very similar in terms of attractiveness, definitely equals of each other in appearance and several other things and she still thought that I wasn't good enough for her. She also refused to do any form of exercise. It makes sense if you think about it. An ugly girl can take care of herself, have an average body, work hard at exercising and eating well, and even though she is still "not good enough" for the sexy brad pitt in the bar, Of course she isn't, and she'd be a fool to think so. she will feel that she is because she puts just as much effort to looking nice as he does. Another foolish thought. Putting in the same amount of effort into you're appearance as somebody else, doesn't make you good enough for them. She isn't going to go for the "average joe" because she feels above him for these reasons. Then I hope she enjoys being single. Wow. I want a man who looks good, but I suppose there's too much pressure on a guy for that actually to happen. Maybe I should quit the gym and totally let go, eat nasty food, get pimples and get fat. That way, I won't feel the pressure to look good and won't have to complain anymore! Where the hell did you get that idea from? All I said is that if a man wants to get a woman, he has to look good. It's a pressure men have to deal with all the time. If he doesn't want to to put in the effort to look decent, then he can enjoy being single.
d'Arthez Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 LOL It's not even THAT hard to look good enough to get a date. As a man or a woman. Wha? See daylight? Leave basement? Wear a non-stained shirt? Wear underwear on the inside, rather than the outside? (apparently it is becoming fashionable ) Do something about hair? Talk to she-folk? Ask she-folk out? Woah, Nelly! That is just too friggin' much to handle. 2
Kamille Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Wha? See daylight? Leave basement? Wear a non-stained shirt? Wear underwear on the inside, rather than the outside? Do something about hair? Talk to she-folk? Ask she-folk out? Woah, Nelly! That is just too friggin' much to handle. Surely, our forefathers didn't have to go though so much trouble to get laid! Ah, how things were easier back then, before the feminist showed up with all their requirements. Oh wait... 1
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 why is there so much obsession about looks from the guys here? I'm a pretty decent looking guy and I have what the media would tell you is the perfect male body. I don't get some super preferential treatment from women and I have never been approached either outside of a few very drunk girls at parties. Hell I've never even had a girlfriend at the age of 23 Women still mainly judge guys on their personality, status, money etc... Looks are a very small part of it. Stop thinking that your dating issues would be solved if you were to be magically transformed into a good looking guy because they wouldn't be Here's a picture of my face and body so you know I'm not trolling http://oi48.tinypic.com/2n86hjs.jpg
somedude81 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Who cares if somebody wants a person who YOU believe is "above her equivalent" anyway? Why is that your business? Either she likes YOU or she does not like YOU. You will be happier finding a woman who likes YOU for who you really are than one who "lowers her standards" (from HER perspective) to date you. If she is totally delusional, you have dodged a bullet. Your idea of "your equivalent" is probably vastly different from the outside worlds' perception. This goes for your opinions about what the proper equivalent for any specific woman should or should not be. We like what we like. That's it. The problem is that when the majority of women are totally delusional, then what does that leave me to date? Why do I have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, when my equivalent woman won't settle for anything less than Ryan Gosling?
d'Arthez Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Surely, our forefathers didn't have to go though so much trouble to get laid! Ah, how things were easier back then, before the feminist showed up with all their requirements. The tragedy is that the men who would benefit the most from true feminism are the most hostile towards feminism. 1
Woggle Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The tragedy is that the men who would benefit the most from true feminism are the most hostile towards feminism. How exactly would they benefit? I am curious about that. I am not against true feminism but I am damn sure against misandrist feminism.
d'Arthez Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The problem is that when the majority of women are totally delusional, then what does that leave me to date? Why do I have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, when my equivalent woman won't settle for anything less than Ryan Gosling? See post #100 and onwards.
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Another foolish thought. Putting in the same amount of effort into you're appearance as somebody else, doesn't make you good enough for them. If he doesn't want to to put in the effort to look decent, then he can enjoy being single. Then what makes someone good enough for anyone else? If it's not physical attraction, so then is it? Why do so many men complain about women being "out of their league" if being good enough has nothing to do with the physical? Maybe that's the unfairness of the sexes. Men need to work extra hard to look half as good. That's probably why the men with great bodies get an abundance of girls, because he works extra extra hard to look that good and so he stands out from the other guys.
HallowedBeThyName Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The problem is that when the majority of women are totally delusional, then what does that leave me to date? Why do I have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, when my equivalent woman won't settle for anything less than Ryan Gosling? You're totally wrong about the standards that women have in terms of appearance I know guys who are 40 years old, slightly chubby and balding with beautiful girlfriends. You're not getting girls because of your lack of personality, status, etc... All the other things that women look for Like I said, I have what the media would consider the perfect male body and I don't particularly receive much female attention. Stop thinking the grass is greener on the other side because it's not 2
FrustratedStandards Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 You're totally wrong about the standards that women have in terms of appearance I know guys who are 40 years old, slightly chubby and balding with beautiful girlfriends. You're not getting girls because of your lack of personality, status, etc... All the other things that women look for Like I said, I have what the media would consider the perfect male body and I don't particularly receive much female attention. Stop thinking the grass is greener on the other side because it's not How do you know these women aren't settling? Or aren't after his wallet or something else?
somedude81 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 That's ironic and funny, coming from the guy who's list of requirements for a potential girlfriend ONLY contains looks-related qualities except for "similar hobbies," if I recall correctly. How does my requirements for a GF have anything to do with the post you quoted? BTW, I do have more requirements then just physical, but at this point, I figure it's better to loose some of them so I don't exclude some women who may like me. I think it's really weird how you frequently say that you "don't give a damn" or that things that you don't care about "don't count," too. Go ahead with that - but most of the people who are out having relationships and enjoying social lives are managing to muster up some care about what is meaningful to others, even if it's foreign to their own way of thinking. How does me not caring about something have any relevance to people having social lives and relationships? Frankly, women feeling pressured by other women to look good, has no relevance to my life at all. I've also never had a girl tell me that she felt pressured to look good or that she was bullied, or heard that from any one I know.
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