joystickd Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 Then you should expand you social circle and find new people to hang out with. No one says you have to be stuck with the same loser clique for the rest of your life. Building up a better social circles is 100 times more rewarding than prowling the streets in search of "prospects". For the advocates of the cold approach, consider this. Do you think that lawyers, doctors, successful businessmen or other high value males hang out at the mall and hit on random chicks? Of course they don't. Successful men don't need to do that sort of thing. And women know that. That's why "sarging" is so ineffective. When you beg random chicks for phone numbers, you are automatically positioning yourself as a low value/low class man. Even if she gives you her phone number, she probably won't go out with you. How you approach determines if you are a low value/low class man. If you want a high value woman there will be the possibility that you will have to approach
Reddice Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 It shows clearly that most people here have not actually followed any kind of PUA program. PUA is not just about picking up women. It's about becoming a "better" person. It's about becoming an actual "man". Picking up women is just secondary and can be seen more as a side effect. Feeling good in your own skin, knowing how to socialize, having ambitions and having knowledge of what triggers attraction is what it's all about. Sarging is just a way of practicing what you've learnt. 2
johan Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 Most people are turned off by its reputation and also by the behavior of some of the more brash PUA advocates who have been on the site to brag about conquests that seem a little hard to believe or to evangelize. Also the site was at one time trolled by an obnoxious bunch of guys from a site people associate with it. Like most people here, I've never looked into it, and I don't expect to. But I also don't talk about it much, because I know so little about it. I think most people are sceptical of a movement meant "to make you a better person" that charges money for what turns out to be common sense. At the same time you are getting to be a better man, someone else is getting to be a richer man.
ThaWholigan Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 Most people are turned off by its reputation and also by the behavior of some of the more brash PUA advocates who have been on the site to brag about conquests that seem a little hard to believe or to evangelize. Also the site was at one time trolled by an obnoxious bunch of guys from a site people associate with it. Like most people here, I've never looked into it, and I don't expect to. But I also don't talk about it much, because I know so little about it. I think most people are sceptical of a movement meant "to make you a better person" that charges money for what turns out to be common sense. At the same time you are getting to be a better man, someone else is getting to be a richer man. I wish I could say this with a straight face but here goes: There are a few guys who don't really learn this "common sense" organically like everybody else . Hence: PUA.
johan Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 I wish I could say this with a straight face but here goes: There are a few guys who don't really learn this "common sense" organically like everybody else . Hence: PUA. That occurred to me, actually. I was going to say something about if you aren't born with common sense then maybe buying it is the best way to go. I think it's fine to do that. But the other edge of that sword is that someone who lacks common sense can easily be taken advantage of by people who claim to offer it for a price.
Author metalambience Posted May 16, 2012 Author Posted May 16, 2012 That occurred to me, actually. I was going to say something about if you aren't born with common sense then maybe buying it is the best way to go. I think it's fine to do that. But the other edge of that sword is that someone who lacks common sense can easily be taken advantage of by people who claim to offer it for a price. I went to all guys schools...went through all of high school without talking to a single girl no exaggeration . There were plenty of us that lack any sense at all in that environment. 1
Reddice Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 Most people are turned off by its reputation and also by the behavior of some of the more brash PUA advocates who have been on the site to brag about conquests that seem a little hard to believe or to evangelize. Also the site was at one time trolled by an obnoxious bunch of guys from a site people associate with it. Like most people here, I've never looked into it, and I don't expect to. But I also don't talk about it much, because I know so little about it. I think most people are sceptical of a movement meant "to make you a better person" that charges money for what turns out to be common sense. At the same time you are getting to be a better man, someone else is getting to be a richer man. I guess the best way to explain what PUA stands for, is to compare it to martial arts. The basis of martial arts is to teach you how to fight. Everyone knows how to fight, but not everyone is equally good at it. You learn it to get better at fighting by practicing and learning about it. Dispite the objective (becoming a good fighter), a good mentor will teach you about self discipline, self respect, respect for others, walking away from fights (hence "the art of fighting without fighting") and so much more. You will be taught how to be a good person and that martial arts is only for self-defensive purposes. However, if you have a bad mentor/teacher/sensei, you will not be taught that martial arts is about more than punching and kicking. He will teach you the techniques and won't bother with the rest. The result is overly agressive people who don't know their limits. In either case, both mentors take your money. The end result is very different though. In the world of PUA you have good coaches and bad coaches. Personally, I think David DeAngelo is by far the best of them all. I don't know if you've read "The game". A book by Neil Strauss, who steps into this world of PUA. Once you near the end of the book, you will understand what I mean about becoming a "better" person by this material. By then you will understand that the people's who's only drive was/is to pick up women fast, have empty, shallow and unfulfilled lives. They will come out worse than they went in.
ThaWholigan Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 I went to all guys schools...went through all of high school without talking to a single girl no exaggeration . There were plenty of us that lack any sense at all in that environment. Same here, Roman Catholic all boys school I went to. (no yoda)
runner Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 none of them come even close, to the great pepe le pew. 1
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