Who's your favorite PUA or PUA program?

May 13, 2012

Check out The Art of Mackin and The Mack Within.

I bought one of those books, The Mack Within. I've posted about it several times even over the years. I admit I bought it because I thought it was really funny. I didn't think he was really serious. Even the girls posing on the cover with him seem a little exaggerated.

But I will say he makes some good points here and there. Not every point he makes is. He's a total cheapskate. His good points are kind of common sense, really. I guess threads like this make you wonder how common it is.

But not every woman puts herself on a pedestal and wants to be an unreasonable challenge. Guys just have to learn to talk to them instead of making excuses why not to make even that little effort.

May 13, 2012

That's insane. You may want to read this before investing that amount of money:

Lifestyle Journey For Men: The PUA Scam

Best of luck on your journey.

That blog is spot on.

If you have to pay for the PUA stuff, do the real alpha stuff and don't spend a dime.

Just read their forums and separate good stuff from bull****.

And if you really need help, just find a guy who is good with women, and talk to him, it will be better for you in the long run.

There are some awesome books though, that may not have come from this community but they do touch it tangentially.

I highly advise you to read those.

I'd actually post them, but i think it's against the rules.

Use the torrents, they make enough money. I'm on the dole, I don't have £1000s to spend on this stuff .

Oh man, good thing you mentioned it.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Radu

May 13, 2012

That blog is spot on.

If you have to pay for the PUA stuff, do the real alpha stuff and don't spend a dime.
Just read their forums and separate good stuff from bull****.
And if you really need help, just find a guy who is good with women, and talk to him, it will be better for you in the long run.

There are some awesome books though, that may not have come from this community but they do touch it tangentially.
I highly advise you to read those.
I'd actually post them, but i think it's against the rules.

Oh man, good thing you mentioned it.

Evidently it's a divisive issue as it spawned another thread in the Water Cooler . I don't really care though, I'm broke I ain't got **** to lose. When I get sorted I'll pay accordingly.

May 13, 2012

And whatever you read or hear, take it with a grain of salt. Some of the stuff out there reads too much like The Farmer's Almanac. (One thing I read once: "She'll get more emotional but if she gets too emotional too fast, she'll hit the red zone and eject you" I'm not sure what that means exactly and in any case I don't think you'll find any mention of "red zone" in any good psychology textbook either.)

In any case, check whatever you read and hear with your experiences, which can include stories your friends tell you and even the threads from the women asking advice on here. Many of their relationships do NOT unfold as depicted from the forums (guy acts needy but still gets girl).

May 13, 2012

For a community that spouts turning beta's into alpha's [impossible], it's hysterical that many guys don't figure out they do the most beta thing by paying.

Much better to read the forums and ask for info.

And whatever you read or hear, take it with a grain of salt. Some of the stuff out there reads too much like The Farmer's Almanac. (One thing I read once: "She'll get more emotional but if she gets too emotional too fast, she'll hit the red zone and eject you" I'm not sure what that means exactly and in any case I don't think you'll find any mention of "red zone" in any good psychology textbook either.)

In any case, check whatever you read and hear with your experiences, which can include stories your friends tell you and even the threads from the women asking advice on here. Many of their relationships do NOT unfold as depicted from the forums (guy acts needy but still gets girl).

It means she may get scared ... he could have said that.

May 13, 2012

And whatever you read or hear, take it with a grain of salt. Some of the stuff out there reads too much like The Farmer's Almanac. (One thing I read once: "She'll get more emotional but if she gets too emotional too fast, she'll hit the red zone and eject you" I'm not sure what that means exactly and in any case I don't think you'll find any mention of "red zone" in any good psychology textbook either.)

In any case, check whatever you read and hear with your experiences, which can include stories your friends tell you and even the threads from the women asking advice on here. Many of their relationships do NOT unfold as depicted from the forums (guy acts needy but still gets girl).

I've read some things in PUA books that definitely got my bull**** senses tingling. I think there is one product that I am going to pay for though, and that is Rob Brinded's Code Of The Natural. THe 6 week study course looks excellent, and even though it's like £130, I would definitely pay for it.

May 13, 2012

The best PUA book I ever read is called "The Book of Pook" and is 100% free on a site I gather is not to be mentioned or linked here on LS.

Here is a different link to it.

http://www.cooltoolsformen.net/2010/09/dating-advice-book-of-pook.html

Edited May 13, 2012 by dasein

May 13, 2012

The best PUA book I ever read is called "The Book of Pook" and is 100% free on a site I gather is not to be mentioned or linked here on LS.

Here is a different link to it.

Cool Tools For Men: Dating advice: the book of Pook

Fantastic read, used to have this

May 14, 2012

For a community that spouts turning beta's into alpha's [impossible], it's hysterical that many guys don't figure out they do the most beta thing by paying.

Much better to read the forums and ask for info.

Well I actually disagree with this, for the most part. If you are basically a Good Guy who has trouble getting a woman attracted to you (the type of guy the Community was meant to help) then it's invaluable to have someone who can break down how you are coming across and give you tools that fit your personality that will help you come across so much stronger stronger. It could shorten your learning curve from *years* (!) to months.

Most of the "free" mainstream advice that's out there is "Be confident".

The advice given by other Community members is often pretty bad actually. You have a bunch of nerds who misapply the advice they got.

Edited May 14, 2012 by Imajerk17

May 14, 2012

The best PUA book I ever read is called "The Book of Pook" and is 100% free on a site I gather is not to be mentioned or linked here on LS.

Here is a different link to it.

Cool Tools For Men: Dating advice: the book of Pook

LOL! Pook is a well known and respected member of a certain PUA website.

One thing is that I don't take his advice too seriously because he's a good looking, really tall guy in with a lot of muscle.

It's almost taking advice on how to make money from a guy who was born rich.

May 14, 2012

For a community that spouts turning beta's into alpha's [impossible], it's hysterical that many guys don't figure out they do the most beta thing by paying.

No, the most beta thing advocated by the "community" is "sarging" (what a stupid term, too). By advocating that men play the numbers game and approach as many women as possible, they are essentially advocating putting even more power in the hands of women and turning men into pathetic pussy beggers. When I went to a PUA forum and read their "approach journals" and "frontline reports", it made me sick reading about all these guys spending hours, week,months and in some cases years approaching random chicks and getting shut by virtually all of them. Talk about desperation.

May 14, 2012

No, the most beta thing advocated by the "community" is "sarging" (what a stupid term, too). By advocating that men play the numbers game and approach as many women as possible, they are essentially advocating putting even more power in the hands of women and turning men into pathetic pussy beggers. When I went to a PUA forum and read their "approach journals" and "frontline reports", it made me sick reading about all these guys spending hours, week,months and in some cases years approaching random chicks and getting shut by virtually all of them. Talk about desperation.

If you don't have the social life you want, then you better get into the habit of talking to people, including those you don't know.

Walking up to a girl you've never met before, talking to her, and getting a date is actually not that hard.

Edited May 14, 2012 by Imajerk17

May 14, 2012

One thing is that I don't take his advice too seriously because he's a good looking, really tall guy in with a lot of muscle.

It's almost taking advice on how to make money from a guy who was born rich.

IIRC, he did not have a great physique before starting to improve himself. I find none of the stuff in the compilation dependent on starting with significant advantages. Most of it is attitude adjustment. If you master everything in the compilation, at least IME, you will have much better results with women. That's pretty good for something that is free.

May 14, 2012

IIRC, he did not have a great physique before starting to improve himself. I find none of the stuff in the compilation dependent on starting with significant advantages. Most of it is attitude adjustment. If you master everything in the compilation, at least IME, you will have much better results with women. That's pretty good for something that is free.

Is there actually a picture of him somewhere? I've read some of his old posts on the "message board that cannot be named" and they seemed a little too...eccentric for my taste.

May 14, 2012

No, the most beta thing advocated by the "community" is "sarging" (what a stupid term, too). By advocating that men play the numbers game and approach as many women as possible, they are essentially advocating putting even more power in the hands of women and turning men into pathetic pussy beggers. When I went to a PUA forum and read their "approach journals" and "frontline reports", it made me sick reading about all these guys spending hours, week,months and in some cases years approaching random chicks and getting shut by virtually all of them. Talk about desperation.

Its a numbers game. Truthfully the most "beta" thing is to sit back and do nothing. In order to get better one must experience because rejections eventually turn to acceptance. There is no failure only feedback.

May 14, 2012

By advocating that men play the numbers game and approach as many women as possible, they are essentially advocating putting even more power in the hands of women and turning men into pathetic pussy beggers.

There are certain realities one must accept. One is that women generally don't approach men unless the man in question is a celebrity, model or known to be extremely wealthy. Even then, lots of women will not approach. Convincing men as a whole to not put up with this, and begin demanding women to approach is a nonstarter.

So as men, we adapt tools to master the given reality. If one must approach women to meet them, then it is only reasonable to conclude that the volume and quality of the approaches bears on the ratio of success.

Are miners "begging" the earth when they seek minerals? Hunters begging game? Salesmen "begging" prospects when they approach them? In actuality, the higher the volume, and the greater the resulting success over time, the less like begging it becomes, and the more like culling out. Once one is in a position of culling out via not caring too much due to repetition, the game is won.

May 14, 2012

I liked the article, thanks for sharing! There are excellent points. But even the article admits there is some good stuff out there. The PUA books I've read have made a huge difference for me. It might be the content, it might just be a placebo like hypnosis or astrology. As long as it helps I don't care.

I'd feel bad using torrents to pirate, everyone need to eat. And I think money spent is a solid investment. If it means being able to attract a girl that's a good match for you, and not settling on a girl who treats you like crap, cheats on you, then divorces you, that's seven figures saved right there. Even just going out to a primo club in the big cities it's $600 a night for bottle service or else you wait in line for hours, and girls will ignore you for the guys with bottle service. If it means meeting that special person just 3 months sooner, that's thousands saved there too. True story.

Its great that the books you have read so far have helped you. I'm surpised that if what you have picked up so far has made a huge difference for you, that you are eager to lash out $000 on seminars. Do you think a seminar will make that more difference over all the free stuff & forums thats out there?

From the bits I've read + watched I didn't get the impression pua was going to help a great deal in terms of discerning a girl who's not going to cheat on you or divorce you down the track, but maybe you are talking about permanently remoulding your outlook and attitude so you are seen as higher status in the eyes of your gf/wife. (idk..meeting girls who dont hang out at primo clubs expecting guys to buy them expensive drinks, would help in that regard)

I agree with FGM's comment and found it weird reading sarging reports from guys who were chuffed at approaching lots of women & occasionally getting a number, but never getting laid.

May 14, 2012

Is there actually a picture of him somewhere? I've read some of his old posts on the "message board that cannot be named" and they seemed a little too...eccentric for my taste.

I don't have any pictures of him, no.

I'm with you on part of that, he does have a "tone." But that doesn't change the validity of the advice. Check out the linked compilation and decide for yourself. It's the same kind of stuff posted here for the most part, all in one place, and it works.

May 14, 2012

IIRC, he did not have a great physique before starting to improve himself. I find none of the stuff in the compilation dependent on starting with significant advantages. Most of it is attitude adjustment. If you master everything in the compilation, at least IME, you will have much better results with women. That's pretty good for something that is free.

While that is true, he was already getting interest from women before he started the self improvement and muscle building. Also, he was always over 6 feet.

That's definitely a huge advantage over where I have to start.

May 14, 2012

That's definitely a huge advantage over where I have to start.

Well if you read the compilation, put some real effort into doing what's inside it, and still get no results, time for other methods I guess.

May 14, 2012

Its a numbers game. Truthfully the most "beta" thing is to sit back and do nothing. In order to get better one must experience because rejections eventually turn to acceptance. There is no failure only feedback.

No one said that you should be sitting back and doing nothing. However, you should be smart about the way you go about your business. Approaching women is like marketing a product. In effect, you are marketing yourself. "Sarging" is the equivalent of telemarketing: low probability numbers game that depends on calling a hundred different leads before making a single sale. It's a marketing strategy for the lowest quality goods that cannot be marketed through retail and other more traditional means.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, you've got products that don't even need to be marketed. When Apple releases a new version of the iphone, they don't even have to avertise it. People line up overnight to buy it on the launch day. This sort of strategy would only be successful for high value males: men who are wealthy and high status (and or celebrities).

Most men would fall in somewhere in the middle. They have to promote themselves, but unless they are bottom of the barrel, they shouldn't have to resort to "telemarketing". Social circle game is the best strategy for the average male. Instead of wasting time sarging and begging random chicks for phone numbers, one should focus on becoming part of social circles that are conducive to meeting single women.

May 14, 2012

There are certain realities one must accept. One is that women generally don't approach men unless the man in question is a celebrity, model or known to be extremely wealthy. Even then, lots of women will not approach. Convincing men as a whole to not put up with this, and begin demanding women to approach is a nonstarter.

So as men, we adapt tools to master the given reality. If one must approach women to meet them, then it is only reasonable to conclude that the volume and quality of the approaches bears on the ratio of success.

Are miners "begging" the earth when they seek minerals? Hunters begging game? Salesmen "begging" prospects when they approach them? In actuality, the higher the volume, and the greater the resulting success over time, the less like begging it becomes, and the more like culling out. Once one is in a position of culling out via not caring too much due to repetition, the game is won.

Great post. Besides, I never considered talking to anyone, including strangers, to be "begging". If that is one's mindset, then that in and of itself needs to be changed.

May 14, 2012

I read up on the Love Systems, Magic Bullets, David Deangelo.. I didnt do mystery, but as far as learning how women tick, and reading past the selling lines, I learned a ridiculous amount of stuff that works. How to cold approach women and get the least chance of initial rejection, how to make the stories interesting and keep their attention. The manuals were mostly geared towards beautiful women who are really young. I also stayed within my league, I didnt go after ridiculously beautiful women, when I first started. But I learned alot about being more alpha, how to avoid behavior and saying things that turn women off, ho to tease them with fun, lotta stuff like that. The books also made me realize how I was shooting myself in the foot for so many years.

So even if some people think theyre a scam, theres loads of good info in all of them I'm sure.

May 14, 2012

No one said that you should be sitting back and doing nothing. However, you should be smart about the way you go about your business. Approaching women is like marketing a product. In effect, you are marketing yourself. "Sarging" is the equivalent of telemarketing: low probability numbers game that depends on calling a hundred different leads before making a single sale. It's a marketing strategy for the lowest quality goods that cannot be marketed through retail and other more traditional means.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, you've got products that don't even need to be marketed. When Apple releases a new version of the iphone, they don't even have to avertise it. People line up overnight to buy it on the launch day. This sort of strategy would only be successful for high value males: men who are wealthy and high status (and or celebrities).

Most men would fall in somewhere in the middle. They have to promote themselves, but unless they are bottom of the barrel, they shouldn't have to resort to "telemarketing". Social circle game is the best strategy for the average male. Instead of wasting time sarging and begging random chicks for phone numbers, one should focus on becoming part of social circles that are conducive to meeting single women.

It's just talking to strangers man. If you're talking to her and you sense enough *mutual* interest, then you make plans/get her number/run off behind the bushes and fornicate. If you don't, then nice talking with you see you around.

May 14, 2012

"Sarging" is the equivalent of telemarketing: low probability numbers game that depends on calling a hundred different leads before making a single sale.

Why wouldn't sarging be like selling lear jets? If you view what you are selling, yourself, as cheap telemarketing, so be it, but why not view yourself as a jet? There's no way to tell which leads are higher quality, the Glengarry leads , until you actually talk to the woman in question, hence the need for volume. An attractive woman could be a sea biscuit or an old nag, gotta approach to know which.

Does this guy looks like he's begging?

Oh, the above is my other favorite PUA "book," also free!

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