metalambience Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 If money is not an issue and you only have time to do one? Like a lecture series (Tylor Durden, David Deangelo, Mystery, others) or a book? PS if you just have the opinion that PUA in general sucks and degrades women, much appreciated if you please don't post 1
ThaWholigan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 If money is not an issue and you only have time to do one? Like a lecture series (Tylor Durden, David Deangelo, Mystery, others) or a book? PS if you just have the opinion that PUA in general sucks and degrades women, much appreciated if you please don't post So far, I like Vercettis stuff over at LoveSystems. However, Gambler's pretty good too. If it was a toss up, I'd go with Vercetti.
Author metalambience Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Thank you I've hear good things about him Also any recommendations for a live seminar? I don't mind the 3 to 8 thousand dollar cost because this is so important to me, but i know a lot are scam.
ThaWholigan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I don't know, I've only downloaded the lecture series'. Sorry about that.
Author metalambience Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Thanks anyway, much appreciated...glad you found it helpful!! Going to go through it this week
snug.bunny Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I don't mind the 3 to 8 thousand dollar cost because this is so important to me, but i know a lot are scam. That's insane. You may want to read this before investing that amount of money: Lifestyle Journey For Men: The PUA Scam Best of luck on your journey.
Woggle Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 None of them. Just get some confidence and self respect. 4
Caius Ballad Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 None of them. Just get some confidence and self respect. Lmao, . ^This guy .........Stop watching TV and wake up to how real world relationships work. Looks Status Confidence Masculinity How you dress Your job What you drive How tall you are How you respond to women's BS Tests What to say and what not to say All of the above matters....confidence alone won't win you the women. Dating is a damn game and PUA gives men equal playing field.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 That's insane. You may want to read this before investing that amount of money: Lifestyle Journey For Men: The PUA Scam Best of luck on your journey. I agree with pretty much everything on that blog, and especially the part that explains how the PUA movement is buying into feminist propaganda and double standards. While certain PUA-related ideas are not necessarily incorrect, the "PUA industry" as a whole is built around exploiting lonely, desperate men. Their primary goal is not to help you but rather to get you to spend as much money as possible on seminars, "boot camps", downloadable materials, etc.
ThaWholigan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I guess I am lucky that I haven't spent a penny on any of it, nor do I practice all of the principles . It's just a resource I can use, and some of it has been useful
joystickd Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 Tariq Nasheed. He wrote the Art of Mackin before PUA movement blew up. He is not a PUA though. He also writes books for women too. He is a unique dating expert in the sense he learn a lot of game from pimps. Player Supreme another good one. Alan Roger Currie is one and I recommend you check out his articles on the examiner website. The only guy within the realm of PUA I would even recommend is David X. He is like the other guys I named in the sense he is about direct game instead of indirect which all of PUA is. 1
Woggle Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 Lmao, . ^This guy .........Stop watching TV and wake up to how real world relationships work. Looks Status Confidence Masculinity How you dress Your job What you drive How tall you are How you respond to women's BS Tests What to say and what not to say All of the above matters....confidence alone won't win you the women. Dating is a damn game and PUA gives men equal playing field. It's worked with me. I said self respect which includes the willingness to walk away the minute she gives you crap.
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 My favorite one is "Mystery," because he wears the funniest chapeau. http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/1-15-09/Rinato1.jpg 2
johan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 The key is to do what counterman did. Just talk to women whenever the opportunity arises. Learn about them. Challenge yourself. I'm not saying it will save you any money, but your money will be spent on dates and not handed over to some guy. 1
SarahRose Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 these are the same guys who complain about having to pay for a cup of coffee for a date but are willing to spend thousands on rubbish lol 1
Nistan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I'm not slamming anyone that uses PUA. People learn differently and some might learn with seminars or going as a group to a club to pick up girls. But what these guys learn you can learn by yourself easily. Learn to hold eyecontact and train on being comfortable with your own sexuality. Learn to stand where most people can see you, smile while doing so. Talk to everyone in the room, etc, etc.
ThaWholigan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 these are the same guys who complain about having to pay for a cup of coffee for a date but are willing to spend thousands on rubbish lol Not necessarily the same guys. Mostly guys like me who didn't know how to talk to women at first. I don't do all of the PUA stuff but it gave me the impetus to actually start initiating conversations with women without freezing and being nervous, especially since I know fellow autistic guys who have actually paid to go to seminars and it has worked for them and they have girlfriends now. I've read some stuff, most of it is odd but some things were definitely good. Anyway, I'm not about to spend money on something I can so easily get for free . Torrents FTW
ThaWholigan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 Tariq Nasheed. He wrote the Art of Mackin before PUA movement blew up. He is not a PUA though. He also writes books for women too. He is a unique dating expert in the sense he learn a lot of game from pimps. Player Supreme another good one. Alan Roger Currie is one and I recommend you check out his articles on the examiner website. The only guy within the realm of PUA I would even recommend is David X. He is like the other guys I named in the sense he is about direct game instead of indirect which all of PUA is. I have seen a few videos of Tariq Nasheed, and I enjoy his stuff, but I haven't had the opportunity to find any of his actual literature of material.
Author metalambience Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 That's insane. You may want to read this before investing that amount of money: Lifestyle Journey For Men: The PUA Scam Best of luck on your journey. I liked the article, thanks for sharing! There are excellent points. But even the article admits there is some good stuff out there. The PUA books I've read have made a huge difference for me. It might be the content, it might just be a placebo like hypnosis or astrology. As long as it helps I don't care. I'd feel bad using torrents to pirate, everyone need to eat. And I think money spent is a solid investment. If it means being able to attract a girl that's a good match for you, and not settling on a girl who treats you like crap, cheats on you, then divorces you, that's seven figures saved right there. Even just going out to a primo club in the big cities it's $600 a night for bottle service or else you wait in line for hours, and girls will ignore you for the guys with bottle service. If it means meeting that special person just 3 months sooner, that's thousands saved there too. True story. 1
ThaWholigan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I liked the article, thanks for sharing! There are excellent points. But even the article admits there is some good stuff out there. The PUA books I've read have made a huge difference for me. It might be the content, it might just be a placebo like hypnosis or astrology. As long as it helps I don't care. I'd feel bad using torrents to pirate, everyone need to eat. And I think money spent is a solid investment. If it means being able to attract a girl that's a good match for you, and not settling on a girl who treats you like crap, cheats on you, then divorces you, that's seven figures saved right there. Even just going out to a primo club in the big cities it's $600 a night for bottle service or else you wait in line for hours, and girls will ignore you for the guys with bottle service. If it means meeting that special person just 3 months sooner, that's thousands saved there too. True story. Use the torrents, they make enough money. I'm on the dole, I don't have £1000s to spend on this stuff . 2
somedude81 Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I think a lecture or class is worthless. All that material can be gotten online for free. And it's iffy if it will even be of any use. What really matters is hands-on stuff and personal guidance. Like having an instructor telling you to approach, and giving you feedback afterwards. Unfortunately that's what is really expensive. these are the same guys who complain about having to pay for a cup of coffee for a date but are willing to spend thousands on rubbish lol You are aware that a guy can spend thousands on coffee and dates and never get anywhere with a girl right? Assuming he can even get a date in the first place. 1
snug.bunny Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 Use the torrents, they make enough money. I'm on the dole, I don't have £1000s to spend on this stuff . Wholigan, shhhush! He could be the undercover torrent police.
Author metalambience Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Wanted to thank all of you for the wonderful recommendations. You guys are the best, I'm going to check out every single one. Listening to Tariq as I type this. LSers really are above and beyond, intelligent and helpful, people should take note.
joystickd Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 I have seen a few videos of Tariq Nasheed, and I enjoy his stuff, but I haven't had the opportunity to find any of his actual literature of material. Check out The Art of Mackin and The Mack Within.
Imajerk17 Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) I wrote a really good post on this, but there was some sort of server bug and it didn't post. As someone who has spent some time in "The Industry", I can give you my unique perspective. First of all, I would be leery of spending so much money on a weekend workshop. No matter how good the training might be (and often it is not), it is really hard to make changes in one weekend in a different city and have it translate to your life back home. Instead, get a good coach who you can work with in person or via VIDEO Skype. You want someone who can pick up the vibes you are giving off. Google Marni at wing girl method. I know her and we are friends. Secondly, be leery of any program that is "routine" based. That's just not how real interactions go. Instead focus on programs that teach the social skills and attributes of a cool attractive guy. Third, and this is where most guys go wrong, you need to be prepared to do the work. This involves going out and approaching women, AND it also involves working on your goals and dreams that are separate from getting better with women. This is where you get the confidence and the experiences that will help you connect with and attract women. Finally, don't listen to the haters that say you are so sort of loser for seeking out coaching to get "this area of your life" handled. Successful people are very good at seeking help and coaching, and the hallmark of a winner is someone who will do whatever it takes to get success. Edited May 13, 2012 by Imajerk17 3
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