sid3 Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Is there any difference between them and western women in terms of dating styles and social norms? Can anyone share firsthand experiences.
Joaquin Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Are you talking European v USA women? Or, western European women (uk, Irish, German, french, Spanish...) v eastern European women (Russian, Latvian, etc...)?
january2011 Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 I've always considered Europe part of 'the West'. What do you mean by "western"?
Author sid3 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Posted May 12, 2012 Are you talking European v USA women? Or, western European women (uk, Irish, German, french, Spanish...) v eastern European women (Russian, Latvian, etc...)? Sorry, I left that out. American.
Joaquin Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 I'd say treat all with manners and respect and let things take their course. Girls tend to be the same the world over, although I'd watch out carefully for the usual red flags if you decide to go for an eastern european girl....
Radu Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 I've always considered Europe part of 'the West'. What do you mean by "western"? Western Europe is the Europe that wasn't commie during the Cold War. Eastern Europe is the Europe that was behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War. There are major differences between the countries in Western Europe, and even between Western and Eastern Europe overall.
january2011 Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Western Europe is the Europe that wasn't commie during the Cold War. Eastern Europe is the Europe that was behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War. There are major differences between the countries in Western Europe, and even between Western and Eastern Europe overall. Yes, I'm well aware of that. The OP has clarified his post. Additional geography lesson are unnecessary.
Radu Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Yes, I'm well aware of that. The OP has clarified his post. Additional geography lesson are unnecessary. Sorry if my clarification coming from Eastern Europe offended you. I offer you my most sincere apologies ... i would even bow but my knee is acting up again. The clarification is important to the OP because it's a question of country's background. The recent shipwreck in Italy was because the captain was late to a dinner with a hot Moldavian woman who i think was an escort.
Joaquin Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Sorry if my clarification coming from Eastern Europe offended you. I offer you my most sincere apologies ... i would even bow but my knee is acting up again. The clarification is important to the OP because it's a question of country's background. The recent shipwreck in Italy was because the captain was late to a dinner with a hot Moldavian woman who i think was an escort. I thought she was a crew member. Anyway, i don't see the relevance of the comment, which is in bad taste.
carhill Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 OP, I saw more marked differences (from AW's) in Eastern Europe than Western Europe. It's perhaps a hard dynamic to explain in simple terms but my take-away was seeing very different appearances in work/public versus private/relationship, regarding femininity. The most marked example might be the lady pictured in my LS albums, who was a grandmother, mother and ER doctor, yet was soft and gentle and very feminine at home, and would have nothing of me 'stealing her work' in the kitchen. She was also, in retrospect, the most giving lover I ever have had. I have found Western European women, in general, in this area, to be more 'consistent' in their personalities and behaviors; if they are tough and assertive at work, they are similar 'at home'. I don't know if this is cultural or individual, but I noted it consistently with women I dated and/or had relationships with from those areas. For some people this wouldn't be an issue but for myself, seeing 'at home' as a refuge from the cruel business world I operate in, I like a gentle and loving partner and am one myself, at home. It's a compatibility issue, and was the impetus for leaving my local area and ranging out to look for more compatible ladies. I did this in my late 30's, so a number of years ago and the ladies ranged from late 20's to mid 40's, with the example I provided being 46 at the time. YMMV >
Author sid3 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Posted May 12, 2012 Thanks Carhill, that's exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. I figured there would be some cultural differences. In my case,they both live locally, one is from Southern France, but my favorite is the Polish woman. She appears to be very similar to the lady you mentioned.
RedRobin Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 OP, I saw more marked differences (from AW's) in Eastern Europe than Western Europe. It's perhaps a hard dynamic to explain in simple terms but my take-away was seeing very different appearances in work/public versus private/relationship, regarding femininity. The most marked example might be the lady pictured in my LS albums, who was a grandmother, mother and ER doctor, yet was soft and gentle and very feminine at home, and would have nothing of me 'stealing her work' in the kitchen. She was also, in retrospect, the most giving lover I ever have had. I have found Western European women, in general, in this area, to be more 'consistent' in their personalities and behaviors; if they are tough and assertive at work, they are similar 'at home'. I don't know if this is cultural or individual, but I noted it consistently with women I dated and/or had relationships with from those areas. For some people this wouldn't be an issue but for myself, seeing 'at home' as a refuge from the cruel business world I operate in, I like a gentle and loving partner and am one myself, at home. It's a compatibility issue, and was the impetus for leaving my local area and ranging out to look for more compatible ladies. I did this in my late 30's, so a number of years ago and the ladies ranged from late 20's to mid 40's, with the example I provided being 46 at the time. YMMV > I feel the need to defend my American female friends... I have many female friends who are very successful in the business world and are gentle and caring at home. Their husbands also seem to be good at leaving work at work. That's just an agreement they both have. The problem is, they are all happily married and faithful, so they are not going to be on the market.... so it is unlikely you would find them in your dating travels. I came across my female friends doing volunteer work... so I guess that might explain things a little. So, what happened to the other lady? The one you felt compatible with?
RedRobin Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Thanks Carhill, that's exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. I figured there would be some cultural differences. In my case,they both live locally, one is from Southern France, but my favorite is the Polish woman. She appears to be very similar to the lady you mentioned. I know a very nice Polish woman who married an American businessman. He is very smart... but he is also a bit of a bully. It really bothers me to see how he treats her in public. She's very self-effacing and sweet... then he just jumps in and ridicules her. But, he funds her travels and buys her pretty things, so maybe it works for both of them. I'm guessing she gets her revenge in other ways. Sorry if I digress. It just reminded me of a couple I know.
carhill Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 So, what happened to the other lady? The one you felt compatible with? She was the one who got away, essentially a bad choice by myself after returning from the last of a number of travels and subsequently meeting my now exW, an AW who descended, as I do, from Eastern European roots. It does make sense that I would, then and now, be meeting unmarried/divorced or un-LTR women, so my data points are drawn from those experiences. In the case of the lady in question, she was obviously married at some point, in her case to an officer and fellow doctor in the Soviet army. Other ladies I met and had relations with were unmarried. This dynamic is hard to put a finger on. It simply 'feels' different, from my perspective as a man. Perhaps it is reflective of my socialization, or FOO, being socialized by a female similar to those friends you describe. In a sense, she was the first 'role model' experienced and I watched her interactions with her husband and other people as images of what was 'female' formed in my young mind. If so, that's valid and, to the extent it might limit my dating pool, my responsibility and a factor in compatibility.
RedRobin Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 She was the one who got away, essentially a bad choice by myself after returning from the last of a number of travels and subsequently meeting my now exW, an AW who descended, as I do, from Eastern European roots. It does make sense that I would, then and now, be meeting unmarried/divorced or un-LTR women, so my data points are drawn from those experiences. In the case of the lady in question, she was obviously married at some point, in her case to an officer and fellow doctor in the Soviet army. Other ladies I met and had relations with were unmarried. This dynamic is hard to put a finger on. It simply 'feels' different, from my perspective as a man. Perhaps it is reflective of my socialization, or FOO, being socialized by a female similar to those friends you describe. In a sense, she was the first 'role model' experienced and I watched her interactions with her husband and other people as images of what was 'female' formed in my young mind. If so, that's valid and, to the extent it might limit my dating pool, my responsibility and a factor in compatibility. One thing I'm glad you shared, is that both men and women are quite capable of being 'tough' when they need to and soft and caring with their partner. Which I believe and also have seen exhibited. Alot of men seem to be surprised to see that side of me... but that is because they've gotten to know me in a business setting or they won't take time to earn my trust. I believe we've both been in situations where our kindness was taken for granted by our partners. Correct? Also, if they come at me with their fists up, and wounded themselves, I will go some ways to try to get them to drop their 'weapons'... but I refuse to be punched in the face numerous times by rough men trying to prove a point, ones who are merely seeking submission at all costs, or prove they are the 'man'. There is a difference. I was going to ask if this was the one who got away. Very sorry to hear about that...
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