FitChick Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Very interesting article by Dr. Andrew Weill about the latest research into dietary fat, especially dairy fat. Not what you think!
xxoo Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Good news, since I just made a full-fat quiche for dinner I am an advocate of eating moderate portions of full fat, over low-fat.
threebyfate Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 The medical profession focused too much on cholesterol and fats simplistically which caused erroneous beliefs amongst the masses. Refer to LDLs, HDLs, tryglycerides and Lp(a)s. Good vs. Bad Cholesterol They need to get the word out so people understand the differences and learn to eat more healthy.
TaraMaiden Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 I find most low-fat food watery, low-salt food disgustingly bland, and artificially sweetened food makes me physically sick. yet the food police dictate that this is what we must eat now. It's utterly revolting, and no self-respecting haute cuisine restaurant would ever insult the intelligence and taste buds of their customers by serving such crud, so why, as discerning shoppers, should we put up with it? It's getting impossible to find full-fat cottage cheese, or unsweetened plain yoghurt, or anything with any discernible flavour. I cook dinner for guests. They ask me what my secret is in producing such flavoursome food. I tell, them - plenty of salt. Don't be scared to make food taste nice. salt is a natural seasoning and an absolutely essential added mineral to our diet. When I ran my bistro, I came up with this argument to people who were 'conscious of their waistlines', against eating low-fat-salt-sugar foods: "Calories: an insidious evil, perpetuated by the diet industry, designed to make you feel guilty for eating the foods they would like you to consume in the first place." - And people would immediately order a slice of tiramisu or lemon and cream cheesecake. In defiance. Good for them, I say!
threebyfate Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 As always, everything in moderation. Human beings are omnivores, able to process a variable diet of plant and animal. Be wary about fad diets. The most recent ones are paleo and obsession towards gluten-free diets where people are self-diagnosing for celiac disease or wheat allergies and sensitivities. Come on people, think with your critical mind instead of fully embracing fads. If you are allergic or sensitive, tests can confirm one way or another whether it's true or you've made this garbage up in your mind.
TaraMaiden Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) Yes, unfortunately, throw enough "research has found that" and 'scientific lab-test 'evidence' and some folks will believe anything. Edited May 9, 2012 by TaraMaiden
mr_sexxxy Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 Very interesting article by Dr. Andrew Weill about the latest research into dietary fat, especially dairy fat. Not what you think! This is so ridiculous, it's hard to know where to begin. First off, it's quite obvious that this Dr. Weil is himself quite overweight. If I had to guess, he probably lives a very sedentary lifestyle. He's a poor example of health and fitness to begin with. Second, as you may or may not know, doctors receive ZERO instruction in nutrition in medical school. Any information they receive would be from the same channels non M.D.'s go through: internet, amazon, word of mouth, etc. Third, the entire medical profession and the health care industry has completely sold out to big pharmaceutical corporations which are invested in seeing people remain alive, but unhealthy. The "latest" research is often, now almost always, funded by major corporations, which will skew results considerably. It's really pathetic that so many americans turn to fat putzes like Dr. Weil and Dr. Phil (not a medical doctor but a Ph.D. who graduated from an obscure institution who wrote a thesis on arthritis) for advice on health and nutrition.
EasyHeart Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 As always, everything in moderation. Human beings are omnivores, able to process a variable diet of plant and animal. Be wary about fad diets. The most recent ones are paleo and obsession towards gluten-free diets where people are self-diagnosing for celiac disease or wheat allergies and sensitivities. Come on people, think with your critical mind instead of fully embracing fads. If you are allergic or sensitive, tests can confirm one way or another whether it's true or you've made this garbage up in your mind.I don't think of either paleo or gluten-free diets as "fad diets". Gluten-free eating is a matter of life and death for those of us with celiac disease. I don't have a lot of love for the people who treat gluten-free eating as a weight-loss diet because they're (a) idiots and (b) making it very dangerous for us celiacs because they make it seem like eating gluten-free is a choice. It's especially dangerous in restaurants where cooks think "gluten-free" just means "no flour" and aren't trained about cross-contamination. Paleo isn't really a diet, it's more a different (and more rational) way of thinking about food.
zengirl Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 I couldn't drink whole milk if I wanted to (I would get really sick and it tastes gross to boot) but I have long thought many of the better yogurts for you or cheeses for you were full-fat, so that makes sense. And butter is often claimed to be just terrible for you, but good butter is better for you than margarine. Honestly, the less processed you can get, the better off you are. Naturally low fat foods are great for you --- artificially low fat foods will be over-processed. The one truly processed food I regularly indulge in is diet soda, but regular soda is worse for you. They're both truly terrible for me. Other than that, I honestly try to stay away from processed foods as much as possible (within reason -- I still grab a frozen meal or something at times), especially snacks. A chunk of full-fat cheese and a handful of olives is going to have a lot of good fatty oils. Full-on saturated fat potato chips, not so much. Not that the lower fat ones are much better, but eh? At that point, you might as well go lower calorie. So, I think the problem is people erroneously think that artificially made, overprocessed foods can be good for us if we'd only take out the "bad stuff." But it's mostly bad stuff, so that's impossible. We just add new bad stuff.
xxoo Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 A chunk of full-fat cheese and a handful of olives is going to have a lot of good fatty oils. Full-on saturated fat potato chips, not so much. Not that the lower fat ones are much better, but eh? At that point, you might as well go lower calorie. So, I think the problem is people erroneously think that artificially made, overprocessed foods can be good for us if we'd only take out the "bad stuff." But it's mostly bad stuff, so that's impossible. We just add new bad stuff. Many potato chips are naturally low on saturated fats. The kind I buy are cooked in canola oil. But look at his comparison of my brand: Cape Cod Original vs. Cape Cod Reduced Fat (click on the "nutrition facts" link) Both the original and the reduced fat have 140 calories per 1 oz serving. I think that is something that is often missed by the low-fat food consumer. When I eat the full fat version, I eat less, because they are satisfying. And that results in fewer calories consumed, overall. Speaking for myself, I need fat to feel satisfied and stop eating.
zengirl Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 Many potato chips are naturally low on saturated fats. The kind I buy are cooked in canola oil. But look at his comparison of my brand: Cape Cod Original vs. Cape Cod Reduced Fat (click on the "nutrition facts" link) Both the original and the reduced fat have 140 calories per 1 oz serving. I think that is something that is often missed by the low-fat food consumer. When I eat the full fat version, I eat less, because they are satisfying. And that results in fewer calories consumed, overall. Speaking for myself, I need fat to feel satisfied and stop eating. Well, Cape Cod are chips that have potatoes on their list of ingredients and not much else. This is not true of many potato chips! My point was more directed at the foods that barely resemble real ingredients. Honestly, proper potato chips (I make my own sometimes, but there are also some organic brands or even Cape Cod that aren't so bad) aren't THAT bad for you. They aren't exactly nutritional wonders, but it's the processed pseudo-ingredients muck that's in most snacks that makes them the words.
xxoo Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 Well, Cape Cod are chips that have potatoes on their list of ingredients and not much else. This is not true of many potato chips! My point was more directed at the foods that barely resemble real ingredients. Honestly, proper potato chips (I make my own sometimes, but there are also some organic brands or even Cape Cod that aren't so bad) aren't THAT bad for you. They aren't exactly nutritional wonders, but it's the processed pseudo-ingredients muck that's in most snacks that makes them the words. I was raised with a taste for pure (thanks, Mom!). I skip by all that other crap without even being tempted. But I do love some purely fatty foods! Isn't is surprising, though, that the reduced-fat and full fat versions have exactly the same amt of calories per 1 oz serving?
zengirl Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 I was raised with a taste for pure (thanks, Mom!). I skip by all that other crap without even being tempted. But I do love some purely fatty foods! Isn't is surprising, though, that the reduced-fat and full fat versions have exactly the same amt of calories per 1 oz serving? You're right that it's fairly surprising (not really, b/c of the ingredients, but it seems counter intuitive). I was raised on low-fat, fake-sugar foods. Basically 80s diet fads. High sodium too because Mom couldn't cook and popped in frozen stuff. I love the taste of artificial sweeteners. But I don't eat many. However, what I actually eat is pretty close to a Mediterranean diet. Lots of fresh foods, oils, proteins, etc. Very few processed foods if I can.
TaraMaiden Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 I make all my food from scratch... I think ready-made meals are the bane of our society - a quick-fix that looks wonderful on the pack, fails to meet its promises when you open the pack, and is crammed full of stuff you'd never find in any kitchen, anywhere.... There's nothing to beat home-made peanut butter, for example... and my tomato sauces are to die for.... But being Italian, I would say that, wouldn't I? 1
EasyHeart Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 I'll confess to an unholy love for Buffalo Bleu Kettle Chips. If loving them is wrong, I don't want to be right.
zengirl Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 I'll confess to an unholy love for Buffalo Bleu Kettle Chips. If loving them is wrong, I don't want to be right. Are those gluten-free?
EasyHeart Posted May 10, 2012 Posted May 10, 2012 Are those gluten-free?YES!!! All the Kettle Chip brand chips are certified gluten-free!!!
Author FitChick Posted May 11, 2012 Author Posted May 11, 2012 Mr_sexxy, Dr. Weill is an advocate of alternative medicine and keeps up with the latest health research. He is the last person to advocate for BigPharma. Did you read the article? "The 21 studies analyzed included nearly 348,000 participants, most of whom were healthy when they were enrolled. They were followed for five to 23 years, during which 11,000 developed heart disease or had a stroke. Looking back at the dietary information collected from these thousands of participants, the investigators found no difference in the risk of coronary heart disease, stroke, or coronary vascular disease between those individuals with the lowest and highest intakes of saturated fat. This goes completely against the conventional medical wisdom of the past 40 years. It now appears that many studies used to support the low-fat recommendation had serious flaws." Both of my parents died of heart disease. Both took statins and blood pressure meds. I have a genetic predisposition to the same fate, yet I take no meds, eat whole foods with plenty of natural fats (no transfats). I track my food intake online and average 40% fat (17% saturated), 40% carbs and 20% protein. I have excellent blood test results across the board, similar to those of someone much younger. I am not overweight. I hate BigPharma.
DarkPrince Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 didnt read the article but Ill tell you if you really exercise and push yourself , you need some saturted fats, even a Whopper from BK helps and will not put fat on you if your timing is good. It will actually help, but like I said you really need to be busting ass to get away with this. If your just a treadmill walker do not attempt this!!
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