ariadne999 Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 In the past, women used to be virtuous. They kept men in line. I have better things to do with my time then "keep men in line" So, why bother even having one. This, is why there are less women available, we don't want your bs.
zengirl Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 LOL, are you trying to guilt trip me or something? Men, have little if any responsibility in this. It's not our role. Men are the battering rams, women should be manning the gates. Though I do think that men should at least be honest with their intentions. In the past, women used to be virtuous. They kept men in line. I never wanted to date a battering ram or feel the need to man the gates. Such roles should be gone by 2012, I'd hope. A relationship should not be a "versus" situation. The notion of such roles really, truly offends me. 2
Bob_Funk Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Of course I'd embrace it. Having an endless supply of hot chicks to ride me into oblivion? Sounds good to me.
Author verhrzn Posted May 4, 2012 Author Posted May 4, 2012 Of course I'd embrace it. Having an endless supply of hot chicks to ride me into oblivion? Sounds good to me. There are always real dolls and prostitutes.
TheBigQuestion Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 That's what I was trying to point out. I think a lot of guys who complain about "hot women" and, heck, women in general, don't actually try to examine their philosophies to their logical end. (Share all the hot women, women as objects, etc.) Even more damaging, I think a lot of them see themselves as "nice guys" who "respect" women, without realizing that the way they think is actually very damaging and degrading to the very people they are trying to attract. I was hoping that by really pushing this thought process into the realm of slight parody, I could show just how ridiculous and dehuminizing it is. I guess I didn't realize the sad part that this thought process is SO common and "accepted" that people actually thought I was serious. That is what is truly sad to me, that the things I did as parody (treating hot women as objects, debasing unattractive women) aren't recognized as parody because so many people seem to actually think this way! People thought you were serious because most of the "serious" stuff you post here is rife with exaggeration and borders on parody as it is. Beyond that, your "theory" is a bunch of BS. You always zone in on the two or three blatant trolls who post stuff about only wanting really hot women/hating older women/"no fatties allowed" and then impute that behavior on the male population generally.
Negative Nancy Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 You always zone in on the two or three blatant trolls who post stuff about only wanting really hot women/hating older women/"no fatties allowed" and then impute that behavior on the male population generally. that's because it's what 99% of men think, but just do not dare to say out loud, let's be real here
TheBigQuestion Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 that's because it's what 99% of men think, but just do not dare to say out loud, let's be real here 1. You haven't met "99% of men." 2. Until you can get the members of your own gender to stop making laundry lists of unrealistic requirements for men they date, you have no standing to comment on men being shallow. Plenty of women do exactly the same thing you claim men do, except they add in money and social status to their lists.
Woggle Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 that's because it's what 99% of men think, but just do not dare to say out loud, let's be real here You sound like me a few years ago.
zengirl Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 People thought you were serious because most of the "serious" stuff you post here is rife with exaggeration and borders on parody as it is. Beyond that, your "theory" is a bunch of BS. You always zone in on the two or three blatant trolls who post stuff about only wanting really hot women/hating older women/"no fatties allowed" and then impute that behavior on the male population generally. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, TBQ, but are you stating that you don't believe the Harem Theory to be reality? That you also see it as a myth? I'm just clarifying.
Author verhrzn Posted May 4, 2012 Author Posted May 4, 2012 1. You haven't met "99% of men." 2. Until you can get the members of your own gender to stop making laundry lists of unrealistic requirements for men they date, you have no standing to comment on men being shallow. Plenty of women do exactly the same thing you claim men do, except they add in money and social status to their lists. Can I point out just how ironic it is that you knock me down for "exaggerating" what men think based on "trolls" (or, ya know, regular male posters), and then make broad accusations and exaggerations about most women in the same swoop. I have yet to see a woman post a thread about how there aren't enough rich men around. Sure, there are female posters (including myself) who say there aren't GOOD (single) men around. But it is your logic that goes "women think good = money" with absolutely no supporting evidence of this. Whereas there are plenty of threads by regular posters (not trolls) who readily complain that there aren't enough hot women around, and how hot guys have "harems." Heck, both Somedude and 49er posted in this very thread how they believe that theory. Or are you claiming both of them are elaborate trolls? 1
Anela Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I never wanted to date a battering ram or feel the need to man the gates. Such roles should be gone by 2012, I'd hope. A relationship should not be a "versus" situation. The notion of such roles really, truly offends me. Me, too. I think men are more attractive when they keep themselves in line. And I'm tired of women being blamed for the poor behaviour of (some) men.
Woggle Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 that's because it's what 99% of men think, but just do not dare to say out loud, let's be real here Me, too. I think men are more attractive when they keep themselves in line. And I'm tired of women being blamed for the poor behaviour of (some) men. And vice versa. I am tired of women blaming their actions on men.
Author verhrzn Posted May 4, 2012 Author Posted May 4, 2012 And vice versa. I am tired of women blaming their actions on men. Except no one is doing that in this thread. Whereas plenty of guys are blaming attractive women for not paying attention to them. And Somedude has clearly outlined why women should be held responsible for men using them for sex... ya know, women being held responsible for the actions of men. So, "women blaming their issues on men" is not relevant to this topic.
Woggle Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Except no one is doing that in this thread. Whereas plenty of guys are blaming attractive women for not paying attention to them. And Somedude has clearly outlined why women should be held responsible for men using them for sex... ya know, women being held responsible for the actions of men. So, "women blaming their issues on men" is not relevant to this topic. It happens quite a bit. Show me a cheating woman that doesn't act like the victim.
Author verhrzn Posted May 4, 2012 Author Posted May 4, 2012 It happens quite a bit. Show me a cheating woman that doesn't act like the victim. Not.relevant.to.this.thread.
TheBigQuestion Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Can I point out just how ironic it is that you knock me down for "exaggerating" what men think based on "trolls" (or, ya know, regular male posters), and then make broad accusations and exaggerations about most women in the same swoop. I have yet to see a woman post a thread about how there aren't enough rich men around. Sure, there are female posters (including myself) who say there aren't GOOD (single) men around. But it is your logic that goes "women think good = money" with absolutely no supporting evidence of this. Whereas there are plenty of threads by regular posters (not trolls) who readily complain that there aren't enough hot women around, and how hot guys have "harems." Heck, both Somedude and 49er posted in this very thread how they believe that theory. Or are you claiming both of them are elaborate trolls? Saying that "plenty of women" engage in a behavior does not equate to "most." I chose my words carefully just to avoid that accusation, but you saw it fit to twist what I said anyway. Good looking men will typically have greater opportunities to sleep with more attractive women. That's not the equivalent of saying that they have "harems," that's just common sense. Look, you and I both know that the reason you post these threads is because you're severely butthurt over not being physically attractive/not seeing yourself as physically attractive/not having the self-esteem so that physical attractiveness matters precious little. You can dress it up in all sorts of articles, surveys, clever satires, and so forth. Nothing changes that fact. You are incredibly transparent. The women on LS who have done 180s with their lives, who have gone from being profound pessimists to genuinely happy people, don't have this same fixation that you do. That should clue you in.
threebyfate Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 It happens quite a bit. Show me a cheating woman that doesn't act like the victim.Show me a cheating man who doesn't act like the victim or worse yet, studly hungless.
TheBigQuestion Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, TBQ, but are you stating that you don't believe the Harem Theory to be reality? That you also see it as a myth? I'm just clarifying. No I don't think Harem Theory is a real thing. It doesn't make sense to me demographically or mathematically.
zengirl Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 No I don't think Harem Theory is a real thing. It doesn't make sense to me demographically or mathematically. Agree entirely. I also agree that most male posters on these boards don't seem to buy into that theory, though a small number do bring it up incessantly. 1
Author verhrzn Posted May 4, 2012 Author Posted May 4, 2012 Look, you and I both know that the reason you post these threads is because you're severely butthurt over not being physically attractive/not seeing yourself as physically attractive/not having the self-esteem so that physical attractiveness matters precious little. You can dress it up in all sorts of articles, surveys, clever satires, and so forth. Nothing changes that fact. You are incredibly transparent. The women on LS who have done 180s with their lives, who have gone from being profound pessimists to genuinely happy people, don't have this same fixation that you do. That should clue you in. Actually the reason I posted this thread was because of an article I read (shocking, I know) about "anti-PUA" forums where, instead of focusing their anger at the guys who took their thousands of dollars and still didn't provide them the secret to women's inner parts, the posters instead focused all of their anger at women. For once, it wasn't a divide between "attractive" and "ugly" women for me. It was just "women." I was disgusted and angry about the way these guys talked about women, objectified women, abused (at least with their words) women. Yeah, I envy attractive women-no secret there... but I can envy them, and yet still feel united with them against this kind of garbage. I guess it's a surprise to you I can feel two things at once?... However, beginning threads with anger rarely works to convey a message. So instead I thought I would try extreme parody and sarcasm, to push these thoughts to their logical conclusion, to display how misogynistic and dehumanizing these ideas are, not only to attractive women, but to women in general. I am "butthurt," as you say, over men's obsession with attractiveness. But these kinds of attitudes hurt BOTH types of women... attractive and unattractive. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with my own personal issues, so I would please ask you to step off the "getting personal" train and keep your remarks to the topic. 2
TheBigQuestion Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Actually the reason I posted this thread was because of an article I read (shocking, I know) about "anti-PUA" forums where, instead of focusing their anger at the guys who took their thousands of dollars and still didn't provide them the secret to women's inner parts, the posters instead focused all of their anger at women. For once, it wasn't a divide between "attractive" and "ugly" women for me. It was just "women." I was disgusted and angry about the way these guys talked about women, objectified women, abused (at least with their words) women. Yeah, I envy attractive women-no secret there... but I can envy them, and yet still feel united with them against this kind of garbage. I guess it's a surprise to you I can feel two things at once?... However, beginning threads with anger rarely works to convey a message. So instead I thought I would try extreme parody and sarcasm, to push these thoughts to their logical conclusion, to display how misogynistic and dehumanizing these ideas are, not only to attractive women, but to women in general. I am "butthurt," as you say, over men's obsession with attractiveness. But these kinds of attitudes hurt BOTH types of women... attractive and unattractive. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with my own personal issues, so I would please ask you to step off the "getting personal" train and keep your remarks to the topic. Threads like these are no different than those who are started by men who are pissed off about what they perceive as women's obsession with attractiveness. Are you really so surprised/disappointed that you aren't getting high-fives all around? And last I checked, this isn't one of those "anti-PUA" forums. Hell, the number of people who check out PUA in the first place are a small percentage of the male population, and here you are getting outraged over a forum dedicated to an even SMALLER sample size? Yes, men like attractive women. No, men generally do NOT think or say the things you'd find on an anti-PUA forum. That's your problem.
Negative Nancy Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 No I don't think Harem Theory is a real thing. it might not be real but the majority of men wish it was.
FrustratedStandards Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I'm not directing this at you or anyone on here, but I really think today's women have an over-inflated sense of themselves. Most women think they are much hotter than they are. I've seen a lot of average looking (imo) say they are hot and I'm bewildered when I see their pictures. I agree, but i'm not talking about how women see themselves or rate themselves. From my own eyes and from what I observe, I see a lot more better looking women than men.
Author verhrzn Posted May 4, 2012 Author Posted May 4, 2012 Threads like these are no different than those who are started by men who are pissed off about what they perceive as women's obsession with attractiveness. Are you really so surprised/disappointed that you aren't getting high-fives all around? And last I checked, this isn't one of those "anti-PUA" forums. Hell, the number of people who check out PUA in the first place are a small percentage of the male population, and here you are getting outraged over a forum dedicated to an even SMALLER sample size? Yes, men like attractive women. No, men generally do NOT think or say the things you'd find on an anti-PUA forum. That's your problem. Well of course they're similar. That's the point... I made the thread to point out the ridiculous thought process OF those threads, and the ridiculous thought process I run into constantly on other forums. Reddit, certain nerd forums, among my friends.. they are crammed with this kind of entitled, every-man-deserves-a-hot-woman thinking. You do not have any evidence that it's a "small" portion of men that follow PUA. I will be quick to point out that I have no evidence it's a LARGE portion either. But it does exist, and it exists in a large enough quantity that "The Game" is a best-selling book, Mystery had his own TV show, and a lot of girls have heard of "negging," if not experienced it first-hand. I'm neither surprised not disappointed. I'm a little saddened that my writing skill didn't adequately get the sarcasm across, but that is all. 1
Anela Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 For once, it wasn't a divide between "attractive" and "ugly" women for me. It was just "women." I was disgusted and angry about the way these guys talked about women, objectified women, abused (at least with their words) women. Yeah, I envy attractive women-no secret there... but I can envy them, and yet still feel united with them against this kind of garbage. I guess it's a surprise to you I can feel two things at once?... That's just it - women can't win with a lot of those guys. I've read the angry posts (here, and on those forums in the past), and yet, when they got what they wanted with their PUA tactics, a lot of them then turned around and became disenchanted with how easy it was for them to get sex - they were bothered that women weren't more discriminating.
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