Star Gazer Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 There are obviously not as many hot women as there are hot men + average men. Says who? IME, the opposite is true.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 The premise of the opening post is disturbing since it suggests that a component of women MUST sleep with men they're not attracted to. That's revolting and worse yet, that it's being broached by a woman. Think of it as "A Modest Proposal" for the modern dating world. (In other words, I was being completely sarcastic to outline just what a ridiculous premise the whole thing is based on.)
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Yes, they should totally lower their standards to have relationships with guys they don't want, because those guys want them... even though the guys themselves won't lower their standards to girls who want THEM... Last time I checked, these guys don't actually have girls that want them. Hell, I can't even remember how many years ago it was that I knew a girl was into me. Also, when's the last time you saw a post on here from a desperate female who claimed she'd only date hot guys? And yet there's a daily post at least from a guy who says he's average, but "why won't hot women date me?!" Just about every girl posting about how she is wondering if she made a mistake by sleeping with the player guy to soon. Or talking about how guy A is a total player, is only going to want sex, and guy B who seems great for her in every way, but she only wants A. And yes, that is an actual thread.
threebyfate Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Think of it as "A Modest Proposal" for the modern dating world. (In other words, I was being completely sarcastic to outline just what a ridiculous premise the whole thing is based on.)A parody I can handle.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Last time I checked, these guys don't actually have girls that want them. Hell, I can't even remember how many years ago it was that I knew a girl was into me. You also pretend that fat women don't exist as options, and have laser-sight-focus on young girls with long hair and big boobs. Hark, a hypocrite I heareth! Just about every girl posting about how she is wondering if she made a mistake by sleeping with the player guy to soon. Or talking about how guy A is a total player, is only going to want sex, and guy B who seems great for her in every way, but she only wants A. And yes, that is an actual thread. So what? Player does not automatically equal handsome. The players I know range all over in looks. The biggest player I've run across lately was an underemployed, balding, overweight guy in his 30's.
oaks Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Also, when's the last time you saw a post on here from a desperate female who claimed she'd only date hot guys? Well, there's one poster who springs to mind immediately, but it wouldn't be fair to name names.
SarahRose Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 The premise of the opening post is disturbing since it suggests that a component of women MUST sleep with men they're not attracted to. That's revolting and worse yet, that it's being broached by a woman. I have never slept with a guy I wasn't attracted to and wouldn't. I would just do without because it isn't all that important to me. I don't recall any of my friends sleeping with someone that weren't attracted to and the attraction could have been money, not just physical. It is more important to most men than it is to women so men will sleep with pretty much anything that is willing.
Imported Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 You two should meet in person. I'd be willing to donate $1 towards transport fees to make that happen.
oaks Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 If they want to have some NSA sex in the meantime, I assume they'll pick the physically hottest or most sexually attractive partner. Why wouldn't you if all you were getting out of it was sex? Absolutely! Well, the other thing to look for in a sex-only relationship would be sexual compatibility, or 'bedroom skills', for which you need neither a pretty face nor a hot body. The best sex isn't necessarily with the hottest partner, and everyone looks the same when you turn the light off.
stillafool Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I've seen this assertion a LOT of this and other PUA-tastic forums: the idea that all women of the world, hot, average, ugly (not fat, obviously, they don't count), are not available to anyone but the hottest guy. Is this a nice thing to say? Honestly I have seen some overweight girls who are very pretty and carry their weight well. How can you say as women they do not count? Your idea would not work because men are not going to want to share their woman.
oaks Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 :lmao: verhrzn you have such a sarcastic way about you that it often amuses me while at the same time it makes me a little sad cause I wonder if you really feel this defeated when it comes to relationships. I fear that sometimes I can no longer tell the difference between V doing sarcasm, satire and heartfelt bitter vitriol. (Sorry, V!) Hey, I said that sarcasm is the main thing I have to offer, romance-wise. Just living up to my potential! Aha! 1
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Is this a nice thing to say? Honestly I have seen some overweight girls who are very pretty and carry their weight well. How can you say as women they do not count? See: sarcasm, parody of people who say things like "I'm average and no woman will go out with me! I'd take anyone... except that fat chick. Oh and that older chick. And she better have <insert physical requirement here.> Why are those kinda women so stuck-up about their standards, waaaaa!" 1
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 You have a really bizarre understanding of demographics: So, men would rather be celibate or have sex dolls than date oh, say, fat or ugly women? Ya know, the women that average guys won't even qualify as single females? Why do you point the guns of accusation at innocent bystanders? I'm talking about world trends not just the US. I have to go find it, but I found a demographic study that said until age 40 male to female ratios were 104-100. In parts of China the ratio is close to 150-100 and in China overall it's like 115-100. What do those men do? Reality is we have less war, less dangerous jobs, fewer boys dying in hunting accidents at 12 years old. So, as our civilization advances we will have more and more men surviving into adulthood. Hence, more men in relation to women.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 I fear that sometimes I can no longer tell the difference between V doing sarcasm, satire and heartfelt bitter vitriol. (Sorry, V!) Hey, they say the most successful acting job is the one that fits your most natural state. I just decided to use my heartfelt bitter vitriol for parody gold for once. 1
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Why do you point the guns of accusation at innocent bystanders? I'm talking about world trends not just the US. I have to go find it, but I found a demographic study that said until age 40 male to female ratios were 104-100. In parts of China the ratio is close to 150-100 and in China overall it's like 115-100. What do those men do? Reality is we have less war, less dangerous jobs, fewer boys dying in hunting accidents at 12 years old. So, as our civilization advances we will have more and more men surviving into adulthood. Hence, more men in relation to women. Uh China is a bizarre case that is no where near the rest of the world. China and India have a history of killing off their female children, which explains the highly skewed gender ratio. NOT that men's overall ratio is raising. Would you like me to go collect demographics from randomly selected countries, since you don't offer up any evidence to support your own conclusion?
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 You also pretend that fat women don't exist as options, and have laser-sight-focus on young girls with long hair and big boobs. Hark, a hypocrite I heareth! Too bad that the girls I'm talking about who were into me, were fat and completely unattractive to me. And the last time that even happened, was over five years ago. And back then I was willing to settle for them. One ended up changing her mind. Probably didn't think I was good enough for her. So what? Player does not automatically equal handsome. The players I know range all over in looks. The biggest player I've run across lately was an underemployed, balding, overweight guy in his 30's. Do you know if he offers a class? A book perhaps? BTW what do you think of the chart I made with Guy A,B,C? Doesn't seem that unreasonable does it?
Imported Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Absolutely! Well, the other thing to look for in a sex-only relationship would be sexual compatibility, or 'bedroom skills', for which you need neither a pretty face nor a hot body. The best sex isn't necessarily with the hottest partner, and everyone looks the same when you turn the light off. If they/you had a pretty face and a hot body, the lights would stay on.
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Uh China is a bizarre case that is no where near the rest of the world. China and India have a history of killing off their female children, which explains the highly skewed gender ratio. NOT that men's overall ratio is raising. Would you like me to go collect demographics from randomly selected countries, since you don't offer up any evidence to support your own conclusion? All I said was that we (the whole world) would have to come to terms with Polyandry eventually. Because of a lot of factors. You took issue with that and made it about fat/ugly/whatever women. All I'm saying is that regardless of people's preferences, polyandry will become a reality.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Too bad that the girls I'm talking about who were into me, were fat and completely unattractive to me. And the last time that even happened, was over five years ago. And back then I was willing to settle for them. One ended up changing her mind. Probably didn't think I was good enough for her. Or maybe she changed her mind because she knew you saw her as fat and completely unattractive and were just settling for her. CRAZY jump of logic, I know, because you hide your thoughts behind a steel heart of invisibility. Do you know if he offers a class? A book perhaps? BTW what do you think of the chart I made with Guy A,B,C? Doesn't seem that unreasonable does it? It's called... "charisma," a well-known cousin of "confidence." It's also called "he nails everything that moves at least once." Yes, even the fat chicks. Though I believe Barney Stintson wrote an amazing novel called "The Playbook," you could try that. The chart is absolutely ridiculous and based not at all in reality. Should I illustrate its ridiculousness with my own chart detailing the ratio of unicorns to dragons?
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Or maybe she changed her mind because she knew you saw her as fat and completely unattractive and were just settling for her. CRAZY jump of logic, I know, because you hide your thoughts behind a steel heart of invisibility. Nope, but good try. It's called... "charisma," a well-known cousin of "confidence." It's also called "he nails everything that moves at least once." Yes, even the fat chicks. Though I believe Barney Stintson wrote an amazing novel called "The Playbook," you could try that. Hmm. That's something I need to spend more time on. The chart is absolutely ridiculous and based not at all in reality. Should I illustrate its ridiculousness with my own chart detailing the ratio of unicorns to dragons? Pointless, everybody knows unicorns don't exist. Still, I'd like to hear your opinion on why that chart is ridiculous.
threebyfate Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Hey, they say the most successful acting job is the one that fits your most natural state. I just decided to use my heartfelt bitter vitriol for parody gold for once.While parody can be funny, there's an element of vitriol towards hot women that I find disturbing.
zengirl Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Absolutely! Well, the other thing to look for in a sex-only relationship would be sexual compatibility, or 'bedroom skills', for which you need neither a pretty face nor a hot body. The best sex isn't necessarily with the hottest partner, and everyone looks the same when you turn the light off. Definitely. That's what I meant by sexually attractive in addition to the hotness quotient. Yes, looks & skill (whatever that is to you) in the bedroom are really what you'd look for in NSA, no? 1
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 While parody can be funny, there's an element of vitriol towards hot women that I find disturbing. Apologies, I'm not personally trying to put any vitriol towards women, but the argument itself ("I deserve a hot woman!" "Hot women are stuck up!" "Hot women are sluts who sleep with players!" etc.) is inherently bitter and hostile towards attractive females. I think because of that whole power/entitlement dynamic... hot women have something unbalanced men want, and won't just give it to them, so they MUST be taken down a peg. Which is preferable... to be treated slavishly but in a hostile fashion by men because you're hot, or ignored in a hostile fashion by men because you're not? 2
threebyfate Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Which is preferable... to be treated slavishly but in a hostile fashion by men because you're hot, or ignored in a hostile fashion by men because you're not?False dichotomy since dating challenged men aren't the target audience for hot women. 1
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