verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I've seen this assertion a LOT of this and other PUA-tastic forums: the idea that all women of the world, hot, average, ugly (not fat, obviously, they don't count), are not available to anyone but the hottest guy. That somehow, 60% of the female population (rough estimate of percent of single women depending on age) is sleeping with 5-10% of the male population. The "harem" effect of this is thus causing a lack of hot women for all the average males out there. Who, of course, deserve a hot woman, that's just nature. Here's my question. There are obviously not as many hot women as there are hot men + average men. This leaves average men with the only options of "average" women (who are of course stuck up, because they don't like the idea of guys "settling" for them, who knew?) and fat chicks. I think I could propose a solution that would work for everybody. Polyandry. How bout this, average guys: hot women will continue sleeping with the hot men, but will ALSO sleep with you. You'll have to share her with a hotter guy, but hey, at least you're not banging the stuck-up averages and the uggos, right? Is this a solution that the men who complain about lack of hot women can agree to? (The women probably won't... sorry, hot chicks, gotta take one/two/a hundred for the team.) 7
threebyfate Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Not a chance in hell, hot women will agree to this. 2
snug.bunny Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I don't even know what "Polyandry" is and had to google it. Two husbands? No thanks.
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 The problem isn't that hot men are sleeping with just hot women. The top guys are sleeping with all kinds of women. In other words, the guys who sleep with lots of women, aren't that picky about who they fu*k. What ends up happening, is that the average guy can't get the average girl, because she's busy providing herself for a top guy who is using her only for sex. What needs to happen is that women would stop settling for sex only arrangements and not go for guys that are already sleeping with a few girls. Intentionally or not, women place themselves in harem situations. And no man is going to say no to easy sex. 2
Mr. Savage Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 You are gonna get so bashed on here for a post like that, but I find it rather amusing. 2
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 I don't even know what "Polyandry" is and had to google it. Two husbands? No thanks. Oh Snug Bunny, it won't be marriage, just sexual polyandry! You'd just have to lie there... after all, you're just a hot object, not a person, so it's not like you have to exhibit behavior or human characteristics! 2
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 There are more men than women in general, at least until you get to the older populations. In some parts of the world the gender ration is close to 150 males to 100 females. If we don't have multiple husbands per each woman, there's going to be a lot of men who will have some pretty difficult choices: a) forced homosexuality b) sex dolls c) cloning women d) celibacy.
snug.bunny Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Oh Snug Bunny, it won't be marriage, just sexual polyandry! You'd just have to lie there... after all, you're just a hot object, not a person, so it's not like you have to exhibit behavior or human characteristics! Oh you silly lady. 1
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 The problem isn't that hot men are sleeping with just hot women. The top guys are sleeping with all kinds of women. In other words, the guys who sleep with lots of women, aren't that picky about who they fu*k. What ends up happening, is that the average guy can't get the average girl, because she's busy providing herself for a top guy who is using her only for sex. What needs to happen is that women would stop settling for sex only arrangements and not go for guys that are already sleeping with a few girls. Intentionally or not, women place themselves in harem situations. And no man is going to say no to easy sex. Because... women don't get to decide for themselves that they're pleased with sex-only arrangements with hot guys. They should be available for the average men (who actually don't want them and are just "settling" because hot women won't sleep with them in sex-only arrangements, but details, details.)
manup Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I've seen this assertion a LOT of this and other PUA-tastic forums: the idea that all women of the world, hot, average, ugly (not fat, obviously, they don't count), are not available to anyone but the hottest guy. That somehow, 60% of the female population (rough estimate of percent of single women depending on age) is sleeping with 5-10% of the male population. The "harem" effect of this is thus causing a lack of hot women for all the average males out there. Who, of course, deserve a hot woman, that's just nature. Here's my question. There are obviously not as many hot women as there are hot men + average men. This leaves average men with the only options of "average" women (who are of course stuck up, because they don't like the idea of guys "settling" for them, who knew?) and fat chicks. I think I could propose a solution that would work for everybody. Polyandry. How bout this, average guys: hot women will continue sleeping with the hot men, but will ALSO sleep with you. You'll have to share her with a hotter guy, but hey, at least you're not banging the stuck-up averages and the uggos, right? Is this a solution that the men who complain about lack of hot women can agree to? (The women probably won't... sorry, hot chicks, gotta take one/two/a hundred for the team.) It already happens, some guys like their wives banging random dudes and getting scraps, some women cheat etc... Will more men go for it, no they probably won't. Now if we're talking polyamory, I can see it working a little better in that both will be getting some action, but lasting couples in this situation is unlikely.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 There are more men than women in general, at least until you get to the older populations. In some parts of the world the gender ration is close to 150 males to 100 females. If we don't have multiple husbands per each woman, there's going to be a lot of men who will have some pretty difficult choices: a) forced homosexuality b) sex dolls c) cloning women d) celibacy. You have a really bizarre understanding of demographics: at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female 15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female 65 years and over: 0.77 male(s)/female total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2012 est.) -https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html So, men would rather be celibate or have sex dolls than date oh, say, fat or ugly women? Ya know, the women that average guys won't even qualify as single females?
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 If the woman isn't actually sleeping with a top guy at the moment, then she may be saving herself for him or his equal. I've known a few girls older than 20, that were virgins, and for some reason idealized some guy or an ideal and didn't want to be with anything less. I don't know if they wanted to be part of the harem or somehow, make herself the only girl for him
manup Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 The problem isn't that hot men are sleeping with just hot women. The top guys are sleeping with all kinds of women. In other words, the guys who sleep with lots of women, aren't that picky about who they fu*k. What ends up happening, is that the average guy can't get the average girl, because she's busy providing herself for a top guy who is using her only for sex. What needs to happen is that women would stop settling for sex only arrangements and not go for guys that are already sleeping with a few girls. Intentionally or not, women place themselves in harem situations. And no man is going to say no to easy sex. I think the average male response would be to look elsewhere, women won't change in the current atmosphere. Average successful dudes can look outside of westernized society and find a nice woman easily, or they can wait until their older and snag a newer model with less miles on her than her older counterpart.
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Because..they're pleased with sex-only arrangements with hot guys. Do you honestly believe that? They should be available for the average men (who actually don't want them and are just "settling" because hot women won't sleep with them in sex-only arrangements, but details, details.) And again, there is your iron clad belief that all men only want hot girls. But I've see you added a new one that men now want sex-only arrangements.
oaks Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I've seen this assertion a LOT of this and other PUA-tastic forums: I think your problem is that you're paying too much attention to "this and other PUA-tastic forums" and, consequently, you're starting off from a false premise. Yes, the media tells us that all average guys deserve hot girls, as that recent piece on Cracked .com illustrated, but just turn 90 degrees and there's a whole reality in which everyone wants someone who is hot but most people will also be happy with someone who is just like them (ie, average). 2
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Do you honestly believe that? A lot more readily than I believe hundreds of women are hooking up with the same dozen guys. And again, there is your iron clad belief that all men only want hot girls. But I've see you added a new one that men now want sex-only arrangements. Gee, I couldn't believe that because there are already 2-3 threads just on the 1st page of this forum bemoaning the fact that average men can't get hot women.... And since being hot only really matters in terms of sex, that logically then they must only really want sex... (And every time someone tries to tell these same posters to try a less attractive but nicer female, they throw tantrums about how they have rights to their physical preferences)... I think your problem is that you're paying too much attention to "this and other PUA-tastic forums" and, consequently, you're starting off from a false premise. Yes, the media tells us that all average guys deserve hot girls, as that recent piece on Cracked .com illustrated, but just turn 90 degrees and there's a whole reality in which everyone wants someone who is hot but most people will also be happy with someone who is just like them (ie, average). Mostly I'm just trying to make a point, that if guys actually believe this ridiculous myth of the harem they have two options: make themselves hotter, or embrace polyandry. Otherwise, whining about how women are "saving themselves" for hot men is just a ridiculous waste of time.
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I think your problem is that you're paying too much attention to "this and other PUA-tastic forums" and, consequently, you're starting off from a false premise. Yes, the media tells us that all average guys deserve hot girls, as that recent piece on Cracked .com illustrated, but just turn 90 degrees and there's a whole reality in which everyone wants someone who is hot but most people will also be happy with someone who is just like them (ie, average). IMO, it's the average woman who are guilty of thinking that they deserve hot guys. And because they are women, they can usually sleep with the guys who should really be out of their league. Whether they are happy with a sex only arrangement, has yet to be seen.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 IMO, it's the average woman who are guilty of thinking that they deserve hot guys. And because they are women, they can usually sleep with the guys who should really be out of their league. Whether they are happy with a sex only arrangement, has yet to be seen. Yes, they should totally lower their standards to have relationships with guys they don't want, because those guys want them... even though the guys themselves won't lower their standards to girls who want THEM... Also, when's the last time you saw a post on here from a desperate female who claimed she'd only date hot guys? And yet there's a daily post at least from a guy who says he's average, but "why won't hot women date me?!" 1
zengirl Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 As TBF says, if the myth were true, polyandry wouldn't work because hot girls who are content to be a 2nd or 3rd choice for some hot guy are never going to sleep with guys they have no interest in. There are some male players who get laid, yes, and some women who hang around waiting for a guy to commit who's never going to, but it's not like they hang on for years. Most girls who can't get the guy they want, as SD said, just wait. They aren't all that interested in anything with guys they don't want, and they aren't necessarily interested in sex-only with the guys they do want. So they hold out for what they do want. I don't see the issue with that --- it seems the smartest course of action to me. If they want to have some NSA sex in the meantime, I assume they'll pick the physically hottest or most sexually attractive partner. Why wouldn't you if all you were getting out of it was sex?
Lil1 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 :lmao: verhrzn you have such a sarcastic way about you that it often amuses me while at the same time it makes me a little sad cause I wonder if you really feel this defeated when it comes to relationships. This is an entertaining notion, hot females having concentual poliandrous relationships.. but I imagine men would grow tired of this arrangement rather quickly once they realize how empty sex is without love. And if they have any self respect or even pride they will realize this eventually.
Author verhrzn Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 :lmao: verhrzn you have such a sarcastic way about you that it often amuses me while at the same time it makes me a little sad cause I wonder if you really feel this defeated when it comes to relationships. This is an entertaining notion, hot females having concentual poliandrous relationships.. but I imagine men would grow tired of this arrangement rather quickly once they realize how empty sex is without love. And if they have any self respect or even pride they will realize this eventually. That's a pretty big freaking IF. Hey, I said that sarcasm is the main thing I have to offer, romance-wise. Just living up to my potential!
threebyfate Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 The premise of the opening post is disturbing since it suggests that a component of women MUST sleep with men they're not attracted to. That's revolting and worse yet, that it's being broached by a woman.
somedude81 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 A lot more readily than I believe hundreds of women are hooking up with the same dozen guys. Why do the ratios have to be so skewed? Look at it this way. 10 women, 10 men in house. Each girl only sleeps with one guy. Guy A sleeps with girls A, B and C Guy B sleeps with girls D, E Guy C sleeps with girls F, G Guy D sleeps with girl H Guy E sleeps with girl I Guy E sleeps with girl J Guy F gets nobody Guy G gets nobody Guy H gets nobody Guy I gets nobody Guy J gets nobody Of course a couple of girls would sleep with more than one guy in that situation, but it would most likely only be with the guys who are already sleeping with more than one girl. Gee, I couldn't believe that because there are already 2-3 threads just on the 1st page of this forum bemoaning the fact that average men can't get hot women...Are you taking into consideration at all, who is the author of those threads? You do know that this forum has trolls who love nothing more than to stir up trouble. And you're falling for it, hook, line and sinker. And since being hot only really matters in terms of sex, that logically then they must only really want sex...So the same applies to women, 100%? (And every time someone tries to tell these same posters to try a less attractive but nicer female, they throw tantrums about how they have rights to their physical preferences)... Same question as above. I've heard more than a few women who say they want a man who is attractive to her, who just happens to be 6'2, blonde hair with rippling muscles.
Lil1 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 sarcasm is the main thing I have to offer, romance-wise. Just living up to my potential! Gosh I don't know whether to laugh or cry! Sarcasm is romantic?! There's so much more to you, why don't you live up to your potential? Really.
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