Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Uneducated poor people from third world countries reproduce like rabbits. The future of humanity is in dire straits. In the end it is a numbers game. Wait till they catch up to the Western World and the economic advantage dissapears. China, India, South America ... westerners are screwed.
Oxy Moronovich Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Call me crazy, but I think people in third world countries already outnumber people in first world countries. So I don't know where you get this "future of humanity" bs?
Pierre Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Call me crazy, but I think people in third world countries already outnumber people in first world countries. So I don't know where you get this "future of humanity" bs? And the numbers will continue to grow. OTOH, Europeans will become extinct as they rather have no children or at the most one child. Migration from poor countries where reproduction is thriving will continue. We are just looking at the tip of the iceberg. The ethnic group that does not leaves their genes behind will become extinct. It is simple evolution! All those ME, ME, ME folks that despise children are contributing to the demise of Western Civilization. 1
Oxy Moronovich Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 And the numbers will continue to grow. OTOH, Europeans will become extinct as they rather have no children or at the most one child. Migration from poor countries where reproduction is thriving will continue. We are just looking at the tip of the iceberg. The ethnic group that does not leaves their genes behind will become extinct. It is simple evolution! All those ME, ME, ME folks that despise children are contributing to the demise of Western Civilization. I don't know where you get this stuff. My sister-in-law's brother's wife comes from a family of 14 children (she's 24 yrs old). People who live in rural areas mainly have large families. It's more economically beneficial. This is a white family that lives in the state of MN. I'm still meeting many people who come from families of 5 or more.
Jane2011 Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) I increasingly don't want children. I don't think I ever "really wanted" them in the first place, but there was certainly a time when I thought I did more so than I do now. I'm an aunt to five children, and I feel like I get the best of both worlds -- freedom from responsibility (financial and otherwise), but the presence of youthful exuberance in my life from kids who love me. My oldest niece is 12, and my youngest is 4. It's so fun watching them grow up but not having to take care of them. I'm a definite liker of kids, especially the ones I'm related to, but all of them in general. There is an 11 year old boy who I tutor to whom I find it so fun to give my mentorship and professional affection. This is not to say I absolutely wouldn't have a child. But I don't have a strong maternal instinct to have them. Also, I can definitely get with the idea of adopting if I had the money to do so. Too many kids live horrible lives and could stand a caring adult taking them under their wing. If I met a guy who wanted a child, it would be better if he just wants one, because I wouldn't want more than that (even if think it's more fun for kids to have siblings). And I think I'd prefer if he didn't want any. I enjoy loving my sisters' kids, so I'm good with that. In a way, I just don't think a mother is who I am. Edited April 29, 2012 by Jane2011
Pierre Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I don't know where you get this stuff. My sister-in-law's brother's wife comes from a family of 14 children (she's 24 yrs old). People who live in rural areas mainly have large families. It's more economically beneficial. This is a white family that lives in the state of MN. I'm still meeting many people who come from families of 5 or more. Anecdotes don't work very well. Just look up why Europeans are on the decline: Europe's population set on shrinking course 19:00 27 March 2003 by Fred Pearce Europe's population has crossed an important watershed, setting it on a downward spiral that will be very hard to reverse. Even raising birth rates back to the replacement level of two children per woman could not halt the momentum of decline, according to a new study. The turning point came in the year 2000, the study shows, when the continent's "demographic momentum" switched from positive to negative. "The problem is that, for the first time, the current generation of young adults is fewer in number than their parents' generation," says Brian O'Neill of the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenberg, Austria. So if they want to make up the numbers as their parents die, they will have to produce more than two children per woman. With Europe's women currently having only 1.5 children each, there is little sign of that happening. O'Neill says it may be that only more immigrants can keep the population steady. Europe's population set on shrinking course - 27 March 2003 - New Scientist
carhill Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Silly question, but can someone changing their mind about wanting children during the course of a marriage can be a dissolution of a marriage? Good question and people can and do change their minds on many matters of personal and/or societal importance during their lives. Changing ones mind has consequences. Is it, in this case, an automatic 'dissolution of a marriage'? Unknown. There are two people involved, both of whom are free to change their respective minds. Being married, trying to have children and failing, and divorcing, taught me a lot about the 'gray' of life. It also seems to have caused a fair bit of 'gray' in general
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I increasingly don't want children. I don't think I ever "really wanted" them in the first place, but there was certainly a time when I thought I did more so than I do now. I'm an aunt to five children, and I feel like I get the best of both worlds -- freedom from responsibility (financial and otherwise), but the presence of youthful exuberance in my life from kids who love me. My oldest niece is 12, and my youngest is 4. It's so fun watching them grow up but not having to take care of them. I'm a definite liker of kids, especially the ones I'm related to, but all of them in general. There is an 11 year old boy who I tutor to whom I find it so fun to give my mentorship and professional affection. This is not to say I absolutely wouldn't have a child. But I don't have a strong maternal instinct to have them. Also, I can definitely get with the idea of adopting if I had the money to do so. Too many kids live horrible lives and could stand a caring adult taking them under their wing. If I met a guy who wanted a child, it would be better if he just wants one, because I wouldn't want more than that (even if think it's more fun for kids to have siblings). And I think I'd prefer if he didn't want any. I enjoy loving my sisters' kids, so I'm good with that. In a way, I just don't think a mother is who I am. How about 1 biological + 1 adopted. I actually want a big family and have been thinking of something like this.
aj22one Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 And the numbers will continue to grow. OTOH, Europeans will become extinct as they rather have no children or at the most one child. Migration from poor countries where reproduction is thriving will continue. We are just looking at the tip of the iceberg. The ethnic group that does not leaves their genes behind will become extinct. It is simple evolution! All those ME, ME, ME folks that despise children are contributing to the demise of Western Civilization. Just because I'm white does not obligate me to out and marry some white chick and have as many babies as possible. I owe my ethnicity/race nothing at all. Not my problem if white people go extinct. I don't want children because I know for a fact that I would be a horrible parent. Even the idea of having children scares the living daylights out of me. Thankfully my wife is of similar mind. 1
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Anecdotes don't work very well. Just look up why Europeans are on the decline: Europe's population set on shrinking course - 27 March 2003 - New Scientist First of all, that study was made for the smaller Europe, not the enlarged Europe that is today. In fact, there is a bigger problem of population shrinkage in East European countries than it is in the Western part. Hell, in 10yrs my country went from 22m ppl to 19.5m ppl and the population has grown in age considerably, all the young ppl have left and started families elsewhere.
Jane2011 Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 How about 1 biological + 1 adopted. I actually want a big family and have been thinking of something like this. lol, yeah, could go either way or both. I just feel for kids who have sucky lives. And I could definitely love a child who wasn't my biological child. In fact, it might even feel more meaningful to me. Also, I'm a teacher, so "my students are my kids." Granted, they're 18-25 year old kids, and they're not adorable, nor do they have any particular affection for me, but they're my kids just the same. I saw one of them roll her eyes at me the other day; so you see, I have teenagers....
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Just because I'm white does not obligate me to out and marry some white chick and have as many babies as possible. I owe my ethnicity/race nothing at all. Not my problem if white people go extinct. I don't want children because I know for a fact that I would be a horrible parent. Even the idea of having children scares the living daylights out of me. Thankfully my wife is of similar mind. You know what's scary ? His argument of preserving the ethnicities works only if the races are not allowed to interbreed. Which is what KKK and Nazi Germany tried to push onto ppl (as well as some others). 1
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 lol, yeah, could go either way or both. I just feel for kids who have sucky lives. And I could definitely love a child who wasn't my biological child. In fact, it might even feel more meaningful to me. Also, I'm a teacher, so "my students are my kids." Granted, they're 18-25 year old kids, and they're not adorable, nor do they have any particular affection for me, but they're my kids just the same. I saw one of them roll her eyes at me the other day; so you see, I have teenagers.... Over here, kids from 6-7 go into 4yrs where they have the same teacher. Some attend kindergarden before that for 1-2yrs also with just 1 teacher. They like to see themselves as 'the 2nd mom' or 'the mom from school'. 1
Kamila Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Silly question, but can someone changing their mind about wanting children during the course of a marriage can be a dissolution of a marriage? Just her ad got me thinking....I personally don't want children from the get go....I did at one time. The woman in her profile said that, at one time she wanted 2 or 3 kids, but now at her age, only 1 will suffice. Didn't really know the "baby desires" really could be a deal breaker and a break up a marriage. I mean I "heard" stuff, but I guess it does have a pretty big impact. Yes, my ex-boyfriend changed his mind drastically about having children. At the beginning of our relationship he was all baby talk and starting a family with me. At the one year mark, he changed his mind, just like that. He tried to persuade me that having children isn't that really good. That I'm not a person that would handle children very well. I started to doubt about having children myself. But then I really thought this over and didn't want to compromise on the issue of children. If he changed his mind about children and he knew that I wanted children, he should have left me. The baby desires is a dealbreaker and shouldn't be taken lightly.
aj22one Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 You know what's scary ? His argument of preserving the ethnicities works only if the races are not allowed to interbreed. Which is what KKK and Nazi Germany tried to push onto ppl (as well as some others). Yup. Pierre is allowed to have his opinion about preserving races. Whatever floats his boat. He's just not allowed to use force to make me share that opinion.
ShannonMI Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Marriage isn't just for having kids. It's about spending the rest of your life with the person you love. Studies have shown that marital satisfaction goes way down after a couple has kids. Marriage without kids is better. And I could give a rat's ass about the future of humanity, lol. There are entirely too many people on the planet as it is. I think having kids would ruin my life, so I have decided to not have them. Of course, that means I would have to marry a man who feels the same way. I agree 100% with this!! I don't want children and have felt that way all my life. So nice to know there are others out there, both men and woman, who feel the exact same way.
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 About the '2nd mom' thing, i don't know how it is over in the West but over here it can work against the child. I had the misfortune of attending school with a commie bitch, old teacher (50-60yrs old) that did humiliation/beatings to enforce discipline, and she also liked to see herself as the 2nd mom. To give you an ideea on my 1st day of 1st grade she sent me home alone because i dared to speak out of line. When i was in my 2nd grade i tried desperately to tell my parents about it, to change to another class under another teacher but they sided with her because of societal concerns. I'm telling you this because some utter bitches/witches hide behind the '2nd mom' thing and are sometimes hurtfull to children (women most often don't do physical abuse but psychological abuse), so it's a double edged thing ... obviously not all do this.
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I agree 100% with this!! I don't want children and have felt that way all my life. So nice to know there are others out there, both men and woman, who feel the exact same way. Be carefull about expressing this desire in public, you will face a lot of ppl who had Pierre's reaction on the first page. It can badly damage your career, social life, etc ...
ShannonMI Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Be carefull about expressing this desire in public, you will face a lot of ppl who had Pierre's reaction on the first page. It can badly damage your career, social life, etc ... I really don't give a f*ck . And isn't it better to be upfront and honest in regards to things such as children and weather I want them or not?
FitChick Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I've never wanted children because I took care of my siblings. That was it for me. I loved taking care of my pets when I had them. I've noticed that over many, many years, whenever there has been a sociological or even anecdotal study of parental/marital happiness in the US and UK (there are probably studies in other countries), a consistent two-thirds of parents say given the opportunity to have kids again, knowing what they know now based on experience, they'd never have kids. Two-thirds. I don't believe in maternal or paternal "instincts." There are nurturing tendencies that can be used with children, pets, spouses, friends. Some people of both sexes have them or they don't. Too many people base their decision to have kids on media images and not on experience. They seldom spend long periods of time around kids. If you think you want a kid, practice with a dog. They aren't as high maintenance so if it's too stressful for you, you have your answer. Someone who regrets not having kids can always foster one of the many abused and abandoned kids. Seems to me I read that one of the leading causes of death of children was parents or caretakers. So much for "instincts." As for the world becoming overrun with poor, uneducated people. Easy fix: offer economic incentives for people not to breed. 1
xxoo Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I've noticed that over many, many years, whenever there has been a sociological or even anecdotal study of parental/marital happiness in the US and UK (there are probably studies in other countries), a consistent two-thirds of parents say given the opportunity to have kids again, knowing what they know now based on experience, they'd never have kids. Two-thirds. Do you have a link for that? I've never read anything like that. Very curious.
xxoo Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I don't think anyone should become a parent if they don't want to be a parent. It is a huge commitment, with incomparable responsibilities and rewards. I can understand how disagreement on the kid issue would break up a marriage, esp if one partner changed their mind after marriage.
FitChick Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Do you have a link for that? I've never read anything like that. Very curious. Here is an older one JSTOR: Journal of Marriage and Family, Vol. 43, No. 4 (Nov., 1981), pp. 785-788 Here are two more recent. There are loads of them if you just google Kids Curb Marital Satisfaction | LiveScience Here Comes Baby, There Goes the Marriage - WSJ.com Admitting you regret having kids is the last taboo so you needn't feel alone. There are some people who love being parents and are great at it but they are in the minority. 1
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I really don't give a f*ck . And isn't it better to be upfront and honest in regards to things such as children and weather I want them or not? With your bf and close family, hell yes. However, you will notice in life that many ppl try to push their bad decisions onto you to validate that decision. It's a known fact in sales that a customer who is dissatisfied with a product and is also a wimp will get you more customers as to convince himself that he didn't **** up. The same applies to baby stuff, even though that man/woman is your boss it doesn't mean that they may not choose the more family oriented colleague over you. Add to this the fact that for many companies family ppl are good business. Ppl who depend on the income to support children will be : 1 - more willing to put up with bull**** 2 - be more motivated to work 3 - feel like the job is their lifeline The same goes for debt; debt and having kids are tools to lower an employee's options and insuring that the employee in question will stay put. Like it or not, it's a very calculated thing so you have to be carefull of the image you project if you care about your career.
Radu Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Here is an older one JSTOR: Journal of Marriage and Family, Vol. 43, No. 4 (Nov., 1981), pp. 785-788 Here are two more recent. There are loads of them if you just google Kids Curb Marital Satisfaction | LiveScience Here Comes Baby, There Goes the Marriage - WSJ.com Admitting you regret having kids is the last taboo so you needn't feel alone. There are some people who love being parents and are great at it but they are in the minority. I remember a few days ago there was lots of drama over someone saying that they should put marriage ahead of children. His argument was that a happy marriage ensured a happy environment for ALL his children, and the chance to grow up as balanced adults. Seems to me that these links validate what he was saying, even though he got hounded for it.
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