Lies told by society.

[threebyfate]

Of course it is not responsible for that but I do believe there are people who call themselves feminists that have no desire for equality between the genders.

Feminism is responsible for women turning down a cold approach from a guy who's embraced PUA beliefs.

[Woggle]

You really think he would get rejected constantly if he went for less attractive girls? Get real !

 

Probably. They are actually worse sometimes than the attractive women because they are bitter that they are not on that level to attract a certain man.

[Woggle]

Feminism is responsible for women turning down a cold approach from a guy who's embraced PUA beliefs.

 

I never said that and you know what I mean. Some feminists simply want to become the new oppressors instead of actually fighting for equal rights.

[threebyfate]

I never said that and you know what I mean. Some feminists simply want to become the new oppressors instead of actually fighting for equal rights.

Can you explain to me how any of this is related to what's stated in the opening post beyond the word Feminism?

 

The guy cold approached two chicks who weren't impressed with him. Then he blamed the price of tea bags in Ceylon on Feminism.

 

In order to help the OP, wouldn't it be better to balance using logic, rather than ascribe unrelated issues to Feminism in order to flog a dead horse a few million times more?

[Woggle]

Can you explain to me how any of this is related to what's stated in the opening post beyond the word Feminism?

 

The guy cold approached two chicks who weren't impressed with him. Then he blamed the price of tea bags in Ceylon on Feminism.

 

In order to help the OP, wouldn't it be better to balance using logic, rather than ascribe unrelated issues to Feminism in order to flog a dead horse a few million times more?

True. I just got pissed off by the one poster who said he deserved it simply because some women go through it. I am always told I should not punish innocent women so why is it okay to punish innocent men. That is what ticked me off.

[kaylan]

I agree with everything insertnamehere just said except for womens attractiveness and the Mendonza line. Even unattractive women will be able to mate and find boyfriends...maybe not with their top choice, but theyll get the opportunity.

 

And tbh, nowadays status seems to make anyone more attractive. Some of the famous chicks out there who dudes deem super attractive are merely run of the mill in my opinion. If they werent famous more dudes would say so. Guys seem to overrate a lot of famous women.

Some men control society. None of them happen to be any friend or family member of mine. I wish though. So, just being a guy doesn't help you with much. It's always been that way.

The point was that society privleges men far more than women and all this crying about feminism is reaching at best.

Edited April 25, 2012 by kaylan

[insertnamehere]

I agree with everything insertnamehere just said except for womens attractiveness and the Mendonza line. Even unattractive women will be able to mate and find boyfriends...

 

I didn't say they wouldn't be able to pair with someone. I just said they're less able to game the game. We men frequently fail to appreciate how awesome it is to be the gender that can cheat the game a bit.

 

Trust me. I grew up in the Kentucky part of Pennsylvania. I'm well aware of just how hideous human beings have to be before literally no one will **** them.

 

maybe not with their top choice, but theyll get the opportunity.

 

There I think is where a lot of people trip themselves up.

 

Like any big score, there are big downsides in trying for it. A kid who wants to play in the NBA faces a greater risk of failure than a kid who wants to become an English teacher. Same goes for people trying to attack their way up the 10-point scale in dating.

 

The idea that you've been lied to? C'mon. You can't blame your parents, your teachers and your friends for taking it soft on you. And if you can't figure out that the media and the entertainment industry are peddling rarified horse****, well, you got bigger problems than dating.

 

Yeah, you find out some hard truths some hard truths when you go out in the world and try to live. It happens.

[fortyninethousand322]

The point was that society privleges men far more than women and all this crying about feminism is reaching at best.

 

If you say so.....

[aj22one]

Feminists lost me when they endorsed prohibition 100 years ago. Not sure what that has to do with dating, but maybe. haha

[dasein]

So, you're telling me that the bad old days, when women were essentially locked into marriages under threat of destitution, wasn't patriarchy? That was just some stuff people made up, huh?

 

Men were every bit as "locked in." The beneficiaries of oppression of common people of both genders were the elites of both genders, not "men" as a gender. Marriage was a survival necessity due to required DOL and children as labor. Both church and court scorned unmarried men, not just unmarried women. Non elite men who didn't marry were conscripted into armies or navies and hacked to death on battlefields, rolled into anonymous group graves, where birds plucked out their eyes and wild animals ate the rest of them. I'm sure that whatever happened to unmarried women was worse than that somehow though, of course it was.

 

There was no "happy funtime" group of jaunty, dandy single men dancing around enjoying freedoms that women didn't have, and if you want to claim there was, prove it. Lies told for 50 years start to stink, time to air them out. The patriarchy/oppression of women by men lie is disgusting, sexist and discriminatory on its face, let alone utterly false. The days of having everything feminists say accepted wholesale without historical proof are over.

 

You do realize that feminism is generally considered to pre-date the civil rights movement?

 

Feminism was a socialist invention of the 60s. Because marxism/communism and getting desperately needed American funding and tuition checks didn't exactly jive at the time, a "first wave" of feminism was fabricated out of thin air for window dressing by piecing together unrelated social activism of the past as if those movements somehow accreted into feminism over time. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

Feminism did not exist at all in any form before the 60s. Even today, feminism hides innocently behind bogus "waves" and "strands" while seeking funding, then reverts to the -one thing- that it is and always has been, an abusive politics of polarization and victimization seeking to undermine American social institutions and obtain political advantage discriminatory against men.

 

So, I don't really care what feminism is generally considered to be or when because people are generally misinformed on many topics, especially where agitprop is at play. I content myself with knowing what feminism actually is.

 

Just for the sake of having a more interesting conversation . . . tell me why it's so necessary to get into the hardcore anti-woman stuff? I'm not even talking anti-feminism. I'm talking anti-woman. Just not liking women in general, feminist or otherwise. Why?

 

OP wanted to have a rant about dating. Must that always represent an opportunity, on a dating board, to wave the placards? It's not as if they aren't waved quite enough everywhere else in the world? I recall a very recent thread "Why are men so weird?" Despite the fact that neither of the men mentioned in the thread was actually weird, there was no placard waving about "hating on" men, no protests of "offensive speech" against men, NONE... at all. The thread was a vent, some people offered advice, some ignored it, it went away.

 

Here of course, because OP wants to vent about his recent experiences trying to meet women, anything he says "bad" about women is necessarily an opportunity to be personally insulted, to internalize and personalize everything said... by an anonymous poster on the internet. Of course it is, and the undue internalization and personalization goes on for page after page. Business as usual here.

[dasein]

Men control society.

 

If this is the case it's because of a majority (52%) of female voters elect them. There are more women in college and law school than men, and women get much cushier, easier jobs than men do for equivalent or more pay. Go in a restaurant and count the male waiters. Then go out back and count the women hauling trash and washing dishes. Get back to me.

 

Don't you live in England btw? Didn't King Elizabeth just have a birthday? Long live the King!

[mesmerized]

What's hilarious to me though is that men think whatever women feel or like or want is related to feminism lol As if before feminism no woman wanted a hot guy (most women are too hardwired to want hotties, get over it) or no woman lied to men about wanting a hot guy or....The list can go on.

 

Seriously men grow up! You saying such BS and then claim you are "logical" creatures just doesn't add up.

[kaylan]

Whatever you say dasein. Do keep whining if it makes you feel better when you vent.

 

These repetitive complaints and threads get old. You post about this crap a lot, but suit yourself.

 

And btw, it clearly states I live in NY under my avatar.

[aj22one]

What's hilarious to me though is that men think whatever women feel or like or want is related to feminism lol As if before feminism no woman wanted a hot guy (most women are too hardwired to want hotties, get over it) or no woman lied to men about wanting a hot guy or....The list can go on.

 

Seriously men grow up! You saying such BS and then claim you are "logical" creatures just doesn't add up.

 

Yeah, it's just like saying men want blondes with big breasts. Stereotypes and stuff abound all over the place.

[FrustratedStandards]

Personality and confidence matter, but they don't matter when they come in an ugly package.

 

This is the problem I had with the last guy I dated. He was PERFECT. PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT in every sense EXCEPT.... I wasn't attracted to him because he wasn't good looking.

 

I gave it a shot, I dated him for a couple of months, but the attractiveness never grew. There was no sex, no physical chemistry NADA.

 

The things you mentioned matter, but they are useless if you aren't attracted to the guy. And yes, most women are attracted to certain things, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[dasein]

These repetitive complaints and threads get old.

 

You know what really gets old? That threads like this go on for pages and pages, most of it just insults directed at OP, while the female rants, like the one about weird men I cited, go on for... a page or two and then they go away like rants are supposed to.

 

Wonder why that is? I know why already. Anyone else figure it out?

 

My bad on your location, but the "long live king elizabeth" comment stands.

[mesmerized]

Yeah, it's just like saying men want blondes with big breasts. Stereotypes and stuff abound all over the place.

 

hahaha, men do want that though, no? Blonde guys I find don't care much for blond girls. But the rest are into that stereotype it seems.

[mesmerized]

You know what really gets old? That threads like this go on for pages and pages, most of it just insults directed at OP, while the female rants, like the one about weird men I cited, go on for... a page or two and then they go away like rants are supposed to.

 

Wonder why that is? I know why already. Anyone else figure it out?

My bad on your location, but the "long live king elizabeth" comment stands.

 

Yes, please all repeat with me : FEMINISM lol

[aj22one]

hahaha, men do want that though, no? Blonde guys I find don't care much for blond girls. But the rest are into that stereotype it seems.

 

Haha not me. I married a Pakistani girl. haha

[FrustratedStandards]

what's hilarious to me though is that men think whatever women feel or like or want is related to feminism lol as if before feminism no woman wanted a hot guy (most women are too hardwired to want hotties, get over it) or no woman lied to men about wanting a hot guy or....the list can go on.

 

Seriously men grow up! You saying such bs and then claim you are "logical" creatures just doesn't add up.

 

exactly!!!

[ThaWholigan]

hahaha, men do want that though, no? Blonde guys I find don't care much for blond girls. But the rest are into that stereotype it seems.

The blond myth is exactly that. A myth .

[ahmedaisar]

Along with many emotions that every man was destined to experience with, seems that love is the best emotions ever created.

 

No wonder why many people are wishing to find their own true love to be happy and live a life that is full of contentment and satisfactions in spite of the many trials that life has to offer.

 

According to some surveys, most of the people would want to marry some day, that is why each of them are willing to go out on dates. In the U.S. alone, nearly 53% said that they have dated more than one person at the same time. And this is exactly what i called cool!

[aj22one]

Personality and confidence matter, but they don't matter when they come in an ugly package.

 

This is the problem I had with the last guy I dated. He was PERFECT. PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT in every sense EXCEPT.... I wasn't attracted to him because he wasn't good looking.

 

I gave it a shot, I dated him for a couple of months, but the attractiveness never grew. There was no sex, no physical chemistry NADA.

 

The things you mentioned matter, but they are useless if you aren't attracted to the guy. And yes, most women are attracted to certain things, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

FrustratedStandards is one of those under-appreciated posters on Loveshack. Very honest posting.

[mesmerized]

The blond myth is exactly that. A myth .

 

I would hope so, given I'm a brunette.

 

PS- You know you're one of my favorite posters, right?

[dasein]

feminism has ruined men....we are programmed to believe men are shallow and women are some magical creatures who only love men for their personality and can spot a unconfident man a mile away.

 

OP's reason for bringing in feminism is crystal clear, feminism has spent 30-40 years calling men dogs, pigs, rapists, led around by our dicks, shaming men for natural, healthy sexual desire. NOW, OP is told he must go out and approach women and display this sexual desire, that women will discount him as a man unless he does so in a confident manner. He wonders at the inconsistency in what femworld tells him on the one hand and what actually works in femworld on the other. Couldn't be more clear actually.

 

men think whatever women feel or like or want is related to feminism lol As if before feminism no woman wanted a hot guy (most women are too hardwired to want hotties, get over it) or no woman lied to men about wanting a hot guy or....The list can go on.

 

You aren't the only one in the thread who didn't understand OP's point on feminism and inconsistency, don't feel bad.