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insertnamehere Established Member

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Does anyone else notice that the OP's first post is littered with language that comes from the more anti-woman brand of PUA that is becoming popular lately?

 

Sorry, but one thing I've learned over a lifetime is that if you go into things with a bad attitude, people catch a hint of it the minute they meet you.

 

A lot of the PUA stuff is helpful. But a lot of the help is in just getting you moving. Most of the attitude toward women is downright wrong. I've never understood the idea that you'd want to hate the thing you want most in order to get it. It's just perverse.

 

Understand, I have no deep issue with PUA claims about male-female dynamics, dominant-submissive dynamics, etc. I just never understood how within that framework it was ever necessary to treat women as vapid meatbags desperately awaiting your cock.

 

There is a point where if you have a problem, you need to stop blaming others and look at yourself. You're not going to change society. Not quickly enough to ensure getting laid this week.

 

Truth be told, I wish there was a more positive version of the PUA stuff out there. Does it really have to mindlessly align with white male patriarchy in the pre-civil rights model?

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So girls don't have anything going for them beyond their looks, and female friendships are overrated... and yet you can't figure out why maybe girls aren't reacting in a positive manner to you?

 

Hmmm... let's ponder this a little more...

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wwwjd Established Member

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Just >>LOOK<< at society... do you REALLY want to learn anything from them?

 

You are programmed from birth to spend money, not get happiness.

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Necromancer Established Member

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Vent it out man, everything you say is 100% true, given realities of the dating world today. Just think of what an achievement it will be when you surmount all that and come out on top regardless. Envision that time in your life, strive for it, and you will get there. Good luck.

 

Thanks man! i´m looking forward to my next approaches, i made a deal with myself that i would make 50 cold approaches by the end of 2012.

 

It can be really funny at times approaching :lmao:

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Does it really have to mindlessly align with white male patriarchy in the pre-civil rights model?

 

What exactly is "white male patriarchy in the pre-civil rights model?" I already know that "patriarchy" generally is an utter fabrication of feminism with no grounding in historical validity whatsoever, but am unsure about the "pre-civil rights model" add-on.

 

If it's intended to somehow connect feminism and the civil rights movement, there is no connection whatsoever other than an imitative one. Feminism is indeed a parrot of the civil rights movement, but a parrot can squawk all day just like feminists do, yet never speak the truth.

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Necromancer Established Member

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So girls don't have anything going for them beyond their looks, and female friendships are overrated... and yet you can't figure out why maybe girls aren't reacting in a positive manner to you?

 

Hmmm... let's ponder this a little more...

 

I said "most",i have meet very few girls that have had outstanding personality.

 

Guy´s get used all the time by girls, true friendship is very hard to find.

 

Haha Don´t try this bad attitude thing with me.... im just getting out how i really feel here i don´t bragg about this with people. :laugh:

 

I´m not some anti social freak show just an average guy who works out and dresses well. :rolleyes:

 

I´m just pissed at the lies i have been feed by the years. :mad: and when you find out reality then it´s hard to accept it.

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I said "most",i have meet very few girls that have had outstanding personality.

 

Guy´s get used all the time by girls, true friendship is very hard to find.

 

Haha Don´t try this bad attitude thing with me.... im just getting out how i really feel here i don´t bragg about this with people. :laugh:

 

I´m not some anti social freak show just an average guy who works out and dresses well. :rolleyes:

 

I´m just pissed at the lies i have been feed by the years. :mad: and when you find out reality then it´s hard to accept it.

 

Well, welcome to the crappy reality that women have been told by men everyday in the most cruel ways. It's not much fun, is it?

Woggle Established Member

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Well, welcome to the crappy reality that women have been told by men everyday in the most cruel ways. It's not much fun, is it?

 

So all men should be punished for the actions of a few? It's funny how I get told time and time again that I should not punish all women for the crap I have dealt with but when it comes to a man having to pay for the sins of all men it is a completely different story. This kind of attitude is what leads me to believe that many feminists are not about equality but simply about getting back at all men for their grievances.

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So all men should be punished for the actions of a few? It's funny how I get told time and time again that I should not punish all women for the crap I have dealt with but when it comes to a man having to pay for the sins of all men it is a completely different story. This kind of attitude is what leads me to believe that many feminists are not about equality but simply about getting back at all men for their grievances.

 

Are you ok, woggle? Where did I talk about punishment?

Woggle Established Member

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Are you ok, woggle? Where did I talk about punishment?

 

That is clearly what you were implying. You were sort of enjoying the fact that a man was being treated the way you perceive men to treat women without having a clue about who he is as an individual. All you saw was a man getting tables turned on him and you had a bout of schadenfreude.

 

There is a poster here who got royally screwed in divorce court and has to be alimony but you don't see me getting glad at the fact that she is being treated the way men have been treated by judges for a long time. She didn't make the rules so why should I get mad at her but act like the OP is the one that made the rules.

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I dated a guy who had a ****ing birthmark ON HALF OF HIS FACE - so no one can tell me that women prefer so-called "good-looking" guys (let me say outright: I thought my ex was hot, hot, hot. But I realize that in the conventional sense, he would have been considered 'ugly.')

 

Threads like this are offensive simply because they presume that all women are attracted to the exact same kinds of things. You know what? I ran into another guy who had a port wine stain and I thought it was hot. There, I said it. Guys? Your 'flaws' can be incredibly adorable and attractive. The stereotype may well be that the Hollywood jocks and preppies are the only ones who can attract women, but it's simply not true.

 

OP, I'm sorry that you've met some idiots who were so brash and heartless as to essentially tell you that you're worthless because of your looks. Not all women are the same...nor are all men the same, no matter the limited and painful experiences we may have had with them.

 

There is something to the fact that if you're less attractive - say, a 5 or a 6 - you're probably not going to be dating a woman who's an 8, a 9 or a 10. But if you want others to place less stock in appearance, you would do well to do the same. I have never understood the hypocritical nature of dating: there are people who beg and plead to be valued for more than their looks, but then they get furious and want only conventionally good-looking partners.

 

A girl who's a 5, a 6 or a 7 is still pretty darn cute.

 

If you're only approaching women who are super hot, don't be surprised if they rebuff you (for one, they probably get pick-up lines from men all the time and they probably get annoyed with it pretty quickly).

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I dated a guy who had a ****ing birthmark ON HALF OF HIS FACE - so no one can tell me that women prefer so-called "good-looking" guys (let me say outright: I thought my ex was hot, hot, hot. But I realize that in the conventional sense, he would have been considered 'ugly.')

 

Threads like this are offensive simply because they presume that all women are attracted to the exact same kinds of things. You know what? I ran into another guy who had a port wine stain and I thought it was hot. There, I said it. Guys? Your 'flaws' can be incredibly adorable and attractive. The stereotype may well be that the Hollywood jocks and preppies are the only ones who can attract women, but it's simply not true.

 

OP, I'm sorry that you've met some idiots who were so brash and heartless as to essentially tell you that you're worthless because of your looks. Not all women are the same...nor are all men the same, no matter the limited and painful experiences we may have had with them.

 

There is something to the fact that if you're less attractive - say, a 5 or a 6 - you're probably not going to be dating a woman who's an 8, a 9 or a 10. But if you want others to place less stock in appearance, you would do well to do the same. I have never understood the hypocritical nature of dating: there are people who beg and plead to be valued for more than their looks, but then they get furious and want only conventionally good-looking partners.

 

A girl who's a 5, a 6 or a 7 is still pretty darn cute.

 

If you're only approaching women who are super hot, don't be surprised if they rebuff you (for one, they probably get pick-up lines from men all the time and they probably get annoyed with it pretty quickly).

 

I don't understand it either. A woman who is cute to me, it doesn't matter how cute she is really, she's just cute. Degrees don't matter.

 

Who cares if there's a hotter woman in the room? Women are not like cars. I'm not going to trade her because there's a better looking one around the block.

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That is clearly what you were implying. You were sort of enjoying the fact that a man was being treated the way you perceive men to treat women without having a clue about who he is as an individual. All you saw was a man getting tables turned on him and you had a bout of schadenfreude.

 

There is a poster here who got royally screwed in divorce court and has to be alimony but you don't see me getting glad at the fact that she is being treated the way men have been treated by judges for a long time. She didn't make the rules so why should I get mad at her but act like the OP is the one that made the rules.

 

The OP is agreeing with rules though, he is being a hypocrite. It's not like he is OK to go for a woman equally as ugly as he is.

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I don't understand it either. A woman who is cute to me, it doesn't matter how cute she is really, she's just cute. Degrees don't matter.

 

Who cares if there's a hotter woman in the room? Women are not like cars. I'm not going to trade her because there's a better looking one around the block.

 

right but women do that all the time to men.

 

again, superficiality is being spoken to and people are trying to defend such a wrong thing. pathetic really. its like social clensing now - stupid. same like what history has had (you know what im talking about)

 

 

people say "someone for everyone" .... but they cant prove it. so why say it? then comes the thing about looks, so if you always get rejected because of looks then how is there "someone for everyone"? There ISNT! so stop the childish act and be mature superficial people! get real for once and look at what you are doing not to yourselves but others too.

 

there is so much more to looks and dont even try to use that stupid line "but only when you are physically attracted" - ERRR NOPE! FACT is that even if you think you are "so hot and sexy" or you think someone is, they are probably dumb and stupid who cant even hold a conversation or be really commited cos they are like that, AND want to play games and mess around.

 

alot of threads and people on this forum prove just that. then they moan and whine about "why cant I get someone who is nice...."

 

sorry but its gotta be said and you know its the truth. before, it was such a better place in general (the world if you like) without this crap. women and men would appreciate each other and it wouldnt be about looks but now, its like life or death! pathetic. sickened by it then you wonder why also you cant find someone who is capable of doing something (even ordinary things) because its all about the looks...and nothing else.

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The OP is agreeing with rules though, he is being a hypocrite. It's not like he is OK to go for a woman equally as ugly as he is.

 

Where did he say he agreed with the rules. I just get sick of this crap that says men in general no matter who they are must bear the brunt for the sins of all men. It's what makes me not trust feminism even if they claim to be about equality.

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Believe it or not, George Sodini had more sex and girlfriends than a lot of guys on this message board...

 

 

right but women do that all the time to men.

 

again, superficiality is being spoken to and people are trying to defend such a wrong thing. pathetic really. its like social clensing now - stupid. same like what history has had (you know what im talking about)

 

 

people say "someone for everyone" .... but they cant prove it. so why say it? then comes the thing about looks, so if you always get rejected because of looks then how is there "someone for everyone"? There ISNT! so stop the childish act and be mature superficial people! get real for once and look at what you are doing not to yourselves but others too.

 

there is so much more to looks and dont even try to use that stupid line "but only when you are physically attracted" - ERRR NOPE! FACT is that even if you think you are "so hot and sexy" or you think someone is, they are probably dumb and stupid who cant even hold a conversation or be really commited cos they are like that, AND want to play games and mess around.

 

alot of threads and people on this forum prove just that. then they moan and whine about "why cant I get someone who is nice...."

 

sorry but its gotta be said and you know its the truth. before, it was such a better place in general (the world if you like) without this crap. women and men would appreciate each other and it wouldnt be about looks but now, its like life or death! pathetic. sickened by it then you wonder why also you cant find someone who is capable of doing something (even ordinary things) because its all about the looks...and nothing else.

 

No. I agree with you. I was just giving my opinion. Most people are shallow. Ain't no question about it.

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How can any guy whine about society? Feminism didnt screw crap up, dudes thinking with their junk did. Men control society.

 

If more and more dudes had control over their hormones women wouldnt be on this pedestal many guys speak of.

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I already know that "patriarchy" generally is an utter fabrication of feminism with no grounding in historical validity whatsoever

 

So, you're telling me that the bad old days, when women were essentially locked into marriages under threat of destitution, wasn't patriarchy? That was just some stuff people made up, huh?

 

Feminism is indeed a parrot of the civil rights movement, but a parrot can squawk all day just like feminists do, yet never speak the truth.

 

You do realize that feminism is generally considered to pre-date the civil rights movement?

 

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Just for the sake of having a more interesting conversation . . . tell me why it's so necessary to get into the hardcore anti-woman stuff? I'm not even talking anti-feminism. I'm talking anti-woman. Just not liking women in general, feminist or otherwise. Why?

 

To me, so much of this language and this discussion in dating just has a sour grapes quality to it.

 

And to be honest . . . at the OP's suggestion that guys can't overcome with confidence . . . confidence alone doesn't work. Confidence plus status does. That's the entire point of becoming a rock star or a dotcom millionaire. If Mick Jagger was just one more unemployed dude who looked like the missing link he wouldn't be sleeping with supermodels.

 

Yes, you gotta have a gimmick. And the more unattractive you are, the bigger your gimmick better be.

 

It could be worse. You could be a woman. Once women cross the Mendoza line on attractiveness, there's very little they can do. At least guys have some room to cheat their way upward in the mating game.

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Feminism is responsible for global warming, PUA falsehoods and the 2008 credit crunch.

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Feminism is responsible for global warming, PUA falsehoods and the 2008 credit crunch.

 

Of course it is not responsible for that but I do believe there are people who call themselves feminists that have no desire for equality between the genders.

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How can any guy whine about society? Feminism didnt screw crap up, dudes thinking with their junk did. Men control society.

 

If more and more dudes had control over their hormones women wouldnt be on this pedestal many guys speak of.

 

Some men control society. None of them happen to be any friend or family member of mine. I wish though. So, just being a guy doesn't help you with much. It's always been that way.

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Where did he say he agreed with the rules. I just get sick of this crap that says men in general no matter who they are must bear the brunt for the sins of all men. It's what makes me not trust feminism even if they claim to be about equality.

 

You really think he would get rejected constantly if he went for less attractive girls? Get real !

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