women: would you like to be proteced and kept?

[JesseJames]

Yeah I'm pretty confused with something.

 

Many of you that hate being "kept" financially also enjoy the possibility that you could be fired at the drop of a hat in working a job? Please explain that rationale.

 

About working moms and daycare: I was privileged to hang out with mother until I was six and had to go to kindergarten. I could learn at my own pace, let my imagination run wild, ride bikes through the barns with the neighbor boy, or color all day. I would not have been happy to deal with the world at five already. I had the countryside, without much anyone around, and there was nothing but peace and imagination--I mostly had myself!!!

 

It makes me sad to see these little ones off to hell so soon. A child should be kept until they are six and around at least one parent. It's no wonder so many are messed up these days. Living urban, around people all the time since you were three? Boy I have to feel sorry for them.

 

This is an ownership culture in the US. In being "kept" and married and owning **** and whatnot is why we have capitalism. So many view things as socialism or something else for some reason. If you don't want to be kept, own your business your bank and everything else or guess what.... you are still being kept.

[JesseJames]

Wouldn't this rationale apply to the male too? Why only the woman?

 

I have no problem supporting a man btw; I supported my ex.

 

Why is it that the woman has to be kept? What if I want a man to keep? Believe it or not; many women these days outearn their significant others. I don't believe in traditional gender roles; I am not traditional.

 

I don't cook or clean. I do not want to stay home. I do not want to be taken care of nor do I want kids ever.

 

I thought this thread was about women.

 

And for the rest of that.... good for you?!?

[Emilia]

Yeah I'm pretty confused with something.

 

Many of you that hate being "kept" financially also enjoy the possibility that you could be fired at the drop of a hat in working a job? Please explain that rationale.

 

Even if the thread is about women as you pointed out in another post, why does this question come up? The answer is the same as it would be for men. Do you think we are a different species?

[JesseJames]

A MAN can drop you at the drop of a hat. A man can leave you at any point in time. How degrading to have no skills to depend on and have to rely on "alimony" to support oneself... I would rather die than take alimony; I don't need a man's money to support me.

 

I have learned that there is NO ONE in life that I can count on except myself. Do you think marriages are eternal? Most end up in divorces. All I have in this world is ME, MYSELF and I. Hence I need to be at my best, always have my wits and work hard in order to ensure that I will survive in this world. In the end, when I die; I know it will be just me.

 

Nothing in life is secure; marriage is not security. A significant other is NOT security. Even worse are woman are unable to leave because they have no skills to make it on their own.

 

How sad to end up broke or having to depend on alimony because you were idealistic and believed in love. That is the fate of most "kept women". Love is not eternal.

 

I will never be one of them because I will NEVER allow myself to be dependent on anyone. All I have in the world is myself; in the end, we ALL die alone.

 

I think you didn't read or fully understand his topic and are on some unrelated rant.

 

At any rate, you need someone's money to support you. This is capitalism. If you're after Company X's money... are you saying that this company's money spends better than your own money in a marriage?

[Emilia]

It makes me sad to see these little ones off to hell so soon. A child should be kept until they are six and around at least one parent. It's no wonder so many are messed up these days. Living urban, around people all the time since you were three? Boy I have to feel sorry for them.

 

 

Yes, it's called building social skills. Those are just as important part of education as academics. You don't have to be living in a city but being around your peers from an early age is extremely important for development and cognitive thinking.

[Emilia]

At any rate, you need someone's money to support you. This is capitalism. If you're after Company X's money... are you saying that this company's money spends better than your own money in a marriage?

 

You create wealth in the private sector, the company doesn't spend the money on you, you bring it in through trade for example. It's not the same as public sector where you just spend it.

 

Do you work?

[JesseJames]

as your statement

 

"Many of you that hate being "kept" financially also enjoy the possibility that you could be fired at the drop of a hat in working a job? Please explain that rationale."

 

Here is my response:

 

Someone who gets fired has the ability to get a new job. Someone who is a kept woman and divorced.... there isn't much. You should not assume that marriages are safe. Men who have the financial means to keep a woman are even MORE likely to cheat due to having more options. It's a power imbalance. I would NEVER be with someone with so much power over me to control me and whoever has the most money has the most POWER.

 

Looks like my way is a much better investment of ones time.

 

You make some pretty big assumptions. The truth is that fired people are fired and there isn't much for jobs irrespective of the reason they left. There are countless available men. There are fortunes to be made in your own enterprise.

 

Why did you steer the conversation toward independence without mention of true independence?

[Emilia]

The truth is that fired people are fired and there isn't much for jobs irrespective of the reason they left. There are countless available men.

 

That's not true. It would be only true if everyone had the same skillset, intelligence and resourcefullness. Many are more employable than others, people are not the same. Some of us will always find employment or earn money through own business because we are more capable than others.

[musemaj11]

Most people want an easy life. Its human nature.

 

Its just that its easier for women to find a man who is willing to provide for them than the other way around.

[JesseJames]

You create wealth in the private sector, the company doesn't spend the money on you, you bring it in through trade for example. It's not the same as public sector where you just spend it.

 

Do you work?

 

What planet are we from?

 

You gain wealth through inheritance, investments, entrepreneurship, and so on and so forth. When you are merely working for some entity, you are trading your time for cash--seldom does this build wealth.

[JesseJames]

That's not true. It would be only true if everyone had the same skillset, intelligence and resourcefullness. Many are more employable than others, people are not the same. Some of us will always find employment or earn money through own business because we are more capable than others.

 

It is true. Fired people are fired, like I said. To say some of you will always find employment is pure speculation.

[JesseJames]

I have the ability to earn true independence for myself. Do you know my net worth? How do you know that I am not on the way to never having to work again in my life? How do you know if I am not ALREADY independently wealthy on my own?

 

You do know that women are able to build fortunes these days and retire with many millions right? Not by working for someone else but through entrepreneurship or their own business....

 

I am telling you; I do not like to be a kept woman and I like to be alone. I AM answering the topic of the thread. The OP never posted anything about TRUE INDEPENDENCE, that was YOU. So do not accuse me of going off-topic and ranting.

 

I do not have to explain any further why I do no want to be a kept woman. All you need to know is that I do not want to be one. EVER. END OF STORY.

I don't have to address every point you make nor can you demand an answer from me. I can address and ignore whatever I like.

 

The question was if you had an inner desire to be provided for where all of your wants and needs are met and you went off on men. Shiiiit you didn't need to quote me to repeat the same thing over and over, especially with the all the anti-man things.

[JesseJames]

What makes you think that women aren't entrepreneurs? There aren't as many as men but there ARE many out there.

 

To me, being a kept woman is the "easy" way out. Not necessarily all the time though, it may be actually hard actually to have to deal with a husband that you hate and despise but are unable to leave. That essentially makes you a whore. (Not all kept woman relationships are like that but the worst-case scenarios are like this).

 

It is a lot challenging and more difficult to make it on your own. Yes some women may never be wealthy and just work for a paycheck whereas some do become wealthy.

 

Either way, if that's what the woman wants, who are you to judge?

 

And about stay at home moms; I think my mom actually damaged me by being too much involved in my life and being overprotected. I would have turned out more "adjusted" if she left me at daycare or something. Instead I was ALWAYS at home with her and it made me anti-social and a loner.

 

What makes you think that I think there aren't any female entrepreneurs out there?

 

Why do you think working for someone else so they can gain greater life prospects isn't being a whore?

 

If you think you've been damaged because of these things, fine. I say the majority of kids have no business being pushed into such a structured environment where they are not free to be kids.

 

It seems as though your opinions of a kept woman are quite negative. It obviously isn't for you, which you've stated a brazillion times.

[musemaj11]

I dont understand men who feel threatened by financially independent women.

 

I mean doesnt it make you happy to know that a woman is with you for you not your money?

 

I suspect that men who are so sensitive about the power that their money holds are old and fat men who deep inside realize that once the amount of money they have become irrelevant, then they are screwed because they got nothing else to offer.

 

Personally I love financially independent women for the reason stated above. They make me feel at ease about their true intention. I can be sure that they are with me because they truly think Im attractive not because I can buy them stuff.

[JesseJames]

Yes, it's called building social skills. Those are just as important part of education as academics. You don't have to be living in a city but being around your peers from an early age is extremely important for development and cognitive thinking.

 

HA HA HA. Silly how the modern girl thinks.

 

You don't need a daycare center to bring a child around his peers. You have play dates with other kids in the area, supervised by a trusted adult.

 

They are paying for someone else to babysit. That's all it is.

[namenottaken]

Pampered, loved, cared for, cherished and stress free. I can’t believe anyone would trade that for ‘working’ (unless your job is an altruistic one).

 

I would have no problem with filling my days with things to do. Including volunteering, where I feel I could actually make a difference, something I don’t have the luxury of doing now.

 

It’s 41 degrees, pouring down rain, I’m tired and will be heading out to work in about an hour so I can pay my bills. Yeah, that sounds really good to me right now.

 

I don’t know that many people who work for altruistic reasons (men included), so for those who don’t, I think you’d be crazy not to want this. I don’t judge my self-worth by the amount of money I bring home, but I’m thankful that (since I have to work) I am paid enough to support myself.

 

However, without the ‘love and cherished’ part, I would choose to be alone and work.

 

(Why do I have a feeling this will backfire on me?)

[JesseJames]

I dont understand men who feel threatened by financially independent women.

 

I mean doesnt it make you happy to know that a woman is with you for you not your money?

 

I suspect that men who are so sensitive about the power that their money holds are old and fat men who deep inside realize that once the amount of money they have become irrelevant, then they are screwed because they got nothing else to offer.

 

Personally I love financially independent women for the reason stated above. They make me feel at ease about their true intention. I can be sure that they are with me because they truly think Im attractive not because I can buy them stuff.

 

Again, this is capitalism, and Every man is sensitive about the power that their money holds. LOL Men are dealing with artificial insemination, more competition for wealth, and so on and so forth infinity. Shoot a surrogate mother costs fitty large if you can find a good one.

[Ross MwcFan]

General very broad, sweeping question:

 

If it was an option, would you like to be a loved, protected, provided for, "kept" woman?

 

Like maybe, stay home all day messing about in a garden, doing whatever hobbie you want (sewing, crosswords, rock climbing, whatever) MAYBE cooking the dinner IF you wanted - or maybe a maid or service does this, hanging with girlfriends, shopping, have kids if you want, be a stay at home mom if you wanted, and feeling pampered and loved and cared for and charished without having the stress of bringing home money for mortgage, car payments, cell phones etc, or job stress?

 

I know this is the age of equality, enlightenment, woman's rights, and independent gals and all of that, but what I am asking about is DEEP DOWN in your "id", way down at the core, does a life like that appeal to you?

 

I'd like to hear some feedback before I respond further about where I am going with this. And, of course, there is no wrong answer.

 

Sounds like heaven.

[JesseJames]

The whole gender equality thing is a total trojan horse solely used to bash on the opposite sex like they do in being part of a biased movement towards greater inequality... which we now have.

 

There is no such thing, as every reasonable person knows, and only childish or hateful people subscribe to it. If they could concentrate on learning the powers of the opposite sex and implementing them instead of eradicating them, they might be generally more happy. This would be humanism, and well, we can't have that in the middle of a biased movement now can you?

[JesseJames]

Once again, this is capitalism. We have the ability to have wealth, make a life, have a life, inherit a life... keep your life...... have all this and share it with another. This is a kept life that the op is referring to.

 

Why do these things always turn into some twisted scenario involving some overly wealthy, wicked man with a bullwhip and a couple of snakes in the closet?

It's unfortunate that these people fail to realize the beauty of a care-free life and sharing it with someone they love. How sad indeed.

[namenottaken]

My personal opinion, since I believe in gender equality is that it's "weird" to expect all of this just because you are a woman.

 

This isn’t a question about entitlement or expectations (because ‘you’ are a woman), but if it was an option would you choose it. I don’t need to feel entitled to see this as a very attractive option, and I think the question could just as easily be asked of men, but since it’s not…

 

Good luck though when the Prince InShining Armor cheats, beats on you or has sex with prostitutes and escorts behind your back.... I am sure there is a price for being a "KeptWoman". There is a price for everything in life.... and a price to pay for being "Kept". This is what most millionaires and tycoons do; they have mistresses on the side where as average guys don't have as much resources.

 

I have never dated a man who has treated me like that. They do exist, but I think they are the minority. I trust my ability to pick a man with integrity (it hasn’t failed me yet) and my outlook on men isn’t quite so bleak.

 

The ‘price’ I would pay in the OP’s scenario is “feeling pampered and loved and cared for and charished without having the stress of bringing home money for mortgage, car payments, cell phones etc, or job stress?”

 

That’s a ‘price’ I would gladly pay.

 

Why are you arguing against the fact that I don't want to be a kept woman? I am entitled to feel however I want to feel. The OP asked a question; I simply answered. Why do you feel the need to debate my answer?

 

Ummm…nevermind…

[xxoo]

Pampered, loved, cared for, cherished and stress free.

 

No one can provide us a stress free life--no matter how much money they have. But I get that some lives are considerably more stressful than others.

 

Pampered, loved, cared for, and cherished should be mutual between partners, no matter if one or both are working.

[musemaj11]

My personal opinion, since I believe in gender equality is that it's "weird" to expect all of this just because you are a woman.

 

I am actually a feminist but I don't believe that women are entitled to a lavish and posh life just for being female... being a female doesn't make you special. I don't like to be pampered with someone else's money. I actually earn quite well for myself and I am super girlie so I ALWAYS pamper myself with clothes, massages, makeup, all the finer things in life but with my money. I think it's weird to be lavished gifts by your significant other and that would make me feel uncomfortable and "guilty". I have always felt guilty when people give me things (even relatives when I was a kid).

You sound a lot like me.

 

It may be the fantasy of most people to have an easy life at the expense of the backbreaking hardwork of their 'significant' others. But I cant do that for Im not one who enjoys taking advantage of others. Im not selfish.

 

Good luck though when the Prince In Shining Armor cheats, beats on you or has sex with prostitutes and escorts behind your back.... I am sure there is a price for being a "Kept Woman". There is a price for everything in life.... and a price to pay for being "Kept". This is what most millionaires and tycoons do; they have mistresses on the side whereas average guys don't have as much resources.

 

Being "Kept" means you are an accessory that can be easily replaced.

 

There is no free lunch in life. I'd rather pay for it by working than being a Kept Woman.

You are one very intelligent woman. There needs to be more women like you.

[namenottaken]

No one can provide us a stress free life--no matter how much money they have. But I get that some lives are considerably more stressful than others.

 

Pampered, loved, cared for, and cherished should be mutual between partners, no matter if one or both are working.

I agree.

 

I should have finished that sentence to add stress of “of bringing home money for mortgage, car payments, cell phones etc, or job stress?” per OP’s scenario.

[JesseJames]

What is most valuable is time. When you have things, you have that time to do things, your youth and health and so forth, plus a lover, everything is all sets, nothing really can compare. Some see it another way, but the 2.2 billion other women, mostly in total poverty, would quickly jump at that chance with that guy. I'd wager anything.