Ladies, be assured, this forum does NOT represent the majority of men

[wwwjd]

For those of you ladies reading all these threads about DAY GAMING, pick up artists, how much sex guys want and how fast...

 

PLEASE BE ASSURED this does not represent a accurate cross section of what is out there for you to meet.

 

This forum seems to draw a particular segment of individuals - first up, people that know how to use google to find "How to pickup women" websites, and etc.

 

Just because a certain number of people go online to a site like this to post and seek info about dating and relationships does not automatically mean they are an accurately balanced typical cross section of the guys that are out there. I have seen a decent slice of varied individuals here that keeps the perspectives and opinions diverse and interesting, but the net ALSO forces people into a party where they normally wouldn't be.

 

For example, I would not be caught in the same room with any sort of guy bragging about how he expects kisses on first dates, or how he banged 4 different women last week. Not saying that is wrong for them, just that *I* would not be found in the same room with them discussing, well, anything. So, I would guess, there is a large majority of guys out there that are NOT posting on this particular website, who's perspective and opinions are NOT heard. Guys who don't use terms like "Pump and Dump" or guys who idea of meeting women doesn't have to revolve around alcohol.

 

Make of this what you will, I just wanted to post up, there are much more wider versions of males that I have personally seen than the type on THIS particular website.

 

If you choose to only keep looking in clubs and bars, you choose to keep finding this same type of guy. And nothing changes if you change nothing.

 

Alternate perspectives exist outside this tiny biosphere of a forum.

[joystickd]

That is so true its gets so annoying seeing the men want to masturbate to porn or men wanting younger women. Both sides do questionable things but its not all just a few. Dating would be much better once these "mature" individuals finally realize this.

[Radu]

These guys beat you to it.

 

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[Kamille]

Thank you wwwjd for pointing this out.

 

We have a few repeat offenders and some accolytes who often show up to propagate their agendas on here. Some of them recently admitted they were mostly trolling or posting while drunk, to get a "rise" out of people.

 

If anything, these posters are merely having the opposite effect of what they want. I'm now much more cognizant of PUA tactics than I was in the past and much less likely to fall prey to any of it. I am now allergic to any man who acts like his masculinity depends on his ability to despise the other gender. It makes the guys who want to get to know me, for me, all the much more appealing.

 

I'm willing to bet that in a few years, I will be happily married, where they will be, by their own reports, happily single. So, really, it all works out .

[verhrzn]

I don't think this forum represents all of men. Heck, maybe not even the majority. However, I do think this forum represents single men.

 

Most of the married/engaged guys I know are funny, interesting, kind-hearted and overall great guys who adore their wives/girlfriends. They have realistic expectations of relationships, and don't concern themselves with the "shallowness" of women, the evils of feminism, how much they can get laid, etc.

 

But that's why they are in relationships. Single guys, on the other hand, all seem to be single for a reason, and the guys on this forum I think demonstrate what those reasons are very clearly.

[somedude81]

Hmm, it seems that the guys on this forum who claim to be running game or wanting quick sex are very few in number.

 

The ratio doesn't seem to be that different from real life.

[joystickd]

I don't think this forum represents all of men. Heck, maybe not even the majority. However, I do think this forum represents single men.

 

Most of the married/engaged guys I know are funny, interesting, kind-hearted and overall great guys who adore their wives/girlfriends. They have realistic expectations of relationships, and don't concern themselves with the "shallowness" of women, the evils of feminism, how much they can get laid, etc.

 

But that's why they are in relationships. Single guys, on the other hand, all seem to be single for a reason, and the guys on this forum I think demonstrate what those reasons are very clearly.

It doesn't even represent all single men. Just a very small portion of single men.

[fortyninethousand322]

Most men on this forum seem pretty level headed. A few who aren't are bitter/jaded, a few are the older virgin/inexperienced crowd, and then the rest are spammers. But the vast majority seem like pretty decent people.

[ThaWholigan]

While there is an element of follow-fashion going on amongst people, everyone is an individual and there are many dynamics within many dynamics of how that person works. Same with men, same with single men, same with single men with no options, and so on and so forth.

 

This forum does NOT represent single men. By a longshot

[joystickd]

Thank you wwwjd for pointing this out.

 

We have a few repeat offenders and some accolytes who often show up to propagate their agendas on here. Some of them recently admitted they were mostly trolling or posting while drunk, to get a "rise" out of people.

 

If anything, these posters are merely having the opposite effect of what they want. I'm now much more cognizant of PUA tactics than I was in the past and much less likely to fall prey to any of it. I am now allergic to any man who acts like his masculinity depends on his ability to despise the other gender. It makes the guys who want to get to know me, for me, all the much more appealing.

 

I'm willing to bet that in a few years, I will be happily married, where they will be, by their own reports, happily single. So, really, it all works out .

Honestly unless you really search online few people know about PUA. You mostly hear about it on forums. I checked it out a few years ago the only guys I liked were Alan Roger Currie and David X. The things they talked about kind of went against really what most PUAs were promoting. Most PUA stuff is indirect. Those two guys are all about being direct and honest about what you want. They don't talk about kino or body language. None of the NLP stuff or deep inner game

[verhrzn]

It doesn't even represent all single men. Just a very small portion of single men.

 

*Shrugs* It fits the single men that I've met out and about.

 

There seem to be 3 types of single men I've seen:

1) The Player. This is the Pick Up Artist, "gotta get mine," commitment-averse guy.

2) The Whiner. This is the guy who lacks confidence, who is bitter towards hot women's rejection of him and other guys' success at dating, but does nothing to boost up his own power. (Working out, improving his confidence, etc.)

3) The Eh-Whatever. This is by far the rarest type, but they are out there... the guy who is just enjoying life, and doesn't really care either way about a relationship. If a girl who is really amazing falls into his lap, sure, he'll take it, but he isn't looking for it.

 

Nearly all of the single guys on this board fit into one of those three categories. By your observation, in what way does this forum NOT represent single men?

[xxoo]

There seem to be 3 types of single men I've seen:

1) The Player. This is the Pick Up Artist, "gotta get mine," commitment-averse guy.

2) The Whiner. This is the guy who lacks confidence, who is bitter towards hot women's rejection of him and other guys' success at dating, but does nothing to boost up his own power. (Working out, improving his confidence, etc.)

3) The Eh-Whatever. This is by far the rarest type, but they are out there... the guy who is just enjoying life, and doesn't really care either way about a relationship. If a girl who is really amazing falls into his lap, sure, he'll take it, but he isn't looking for it.

 

Nearly all of the single guys on this board fit into one of those three categories. By your observation, in what way does this forum NOT represent single men?

 

THe player and the whiner spend more time on LS than the eh-whatever guy. So they are disproportionately represented here.

 

As are the female counterparts to these 3 categories.

[joystickd]

*Shrugs* It fits the single men that I've met out and about.

 

There seem to be 3 types of single men I've seen:

1) The Player. This is the Pick Up Artist, "gotta get mine," commitment-averse guy.

2) The Whiner. This is the guy who lacks confidence, who is bitter towards hot women's rejection of him and other guys' success at dating, but does nothing to boost up his own power. (Working out, improving his confidence, etc.)

3) The Eh-Whatever. This is by far the rarest type, but they are out there... the guy who is just enjoying life, and doesn't really care either way about a relationship. If a girl who is really amazing falls into his lap, sure, he'll take it, but he isn't looking for it.

 

Nearly all of the single guys on this board fit into one of those three categories. By your observation, in what way does this forum NOT represent single men?

Most of the men on here that claim to be #1 are lying. Mostly #2 on here and you know that. They maybe #3 on here. I know for me I fit in none of these categories. I guess I'm #4 Scum because that is what some of the guys on here think of me as

[wwwjd]

the fact that I am none of those 3 and most of the people I know are not like that either.

 

If anything, I might be closest to the 3rd one, but I care deeply about relationships, and who is impacted, how and why.

 

It just seems like the nicer don't post up as much controversy as the player types here. Probably because they are "nice".

 

It kind boggles me that there are ANY player types here at all. After all, TALKING about relationships is more of a "girly" thing. Heck, even this forum is PINK colored. So, how does it draw guys who say, "If we aren't gettin buys by the 3rd date, she's wasting MY time"

 

So, here I am posting for those who don't post, claiming this place is not a very good cross section of what is out there.

 

Because I am out there and starting to feel like I don't fit in HERE much at all.

[fortyninethousand322]

Most of the men on here that claim to be #1 are lying. Mostly #2 on here and you know that. They maybe #3 on here. I know for me I fit in none of these categories. I guess I'm #4 Scum because that is what some of the guys on here think of me as

 

You're one of the level headed guys on here. You're alright.

[Radu]

If male single posters are like this, what does it say about female single posters verhzen ?

[verhrzn]

the fact that I am none of those 3 and most of the people I know are not like that either.

 

If anything, I might be closest to the 3rd one, but I care deeply about relationships, and who is impacted, how and why.

 

It just seems like the nicer don't post up as much controversy as the player types here. Probably because they are "nice".

 

It kind boggles me that there are ANY player types here at all. After all, TALKING about relationships is more of a "girly" thing. Heck, even this forum is PINK colored. So, how does it draw guys who say, "If we aren't gettin buys by the 3rd date, she's wasting MY time"

 

So, here I am posting for those who don't post, claiming this place is not a very good cross section of what is out there.

 

Because I am out there and starting to feel like I don't fit in HERE much at all.

 

So what type of single men aren't posting on here? Because as I said, the guys I see on the forums are what I see in real life... guys who are play, give up, or don't much care.

[Kamille]

Honestly unless you really search online few people know about PUA. You mostly hear about it on forums. I checked it out a few years ago the only guys I liked were Alan Roger Currie and David X. The things they talked about kind of went against really what most PUAs were promoting. Most PUA stuff is indirect. Those two guys are all about being direct and honest about what you want. They don't talk about kino or body language. None of the NLP stuff or deep inner game

 

Certainly. I also think it's possible to read the PUA sites with a critical mind, taking on the things that make sense without injury to one's sense of integrity.

 

It also hasn't been my experience that there are a lot of 100% PUA men out there. Most seem to be looking for the same kind of loving, honest, fulfilling relationship I am. This, however, doesn't mean they're looking to have that relationship with me - or I with them. We can't be compatible with everyone, else love wouldn't be held to quite the premium that it is.

[joystickd]

You're one of the level headed guys on here. You're alright.

There are a few that consider me scum because I'm not ashamed of the fact that I have had sex with married women at one point in my life.

[somedude81]

Just because a guy isn't constantly saying what he did on a each day, doesn't mean he's given up.

[Kamille]

the fact that I am none of those 3 and most of the people I know are not like that either.

 

If anything, I might be closest to the 3rd one, but I care deeply about relationships, and who is impacted, how and why.

 

It just seems like the nicer don't post up as much controversy as the player types here. Probably because they are "nice".

 

I've been thinking about this too, as I was watching a thread unfold where a poster (woman this time), was getting a lot of flak for something I thought was minor. It's always much easier for people who have an "oppositional" idea to post than for someone who sees the middle ground. It's one of the interesting phenomenom of our highly-mediated times.

 

Not to mention, as I said, some of the regular "treat all women like they're scum" posters are actually doing it for kicks. They like heated discussions and this site provides it. They're not all that concerned with truth or balance. What they want is a space where they can debate non-sensical ideas (all while claiming their ideas are the "correct" ones, which is the best way to ensure a lively debate).

[verhrzn]

If male single posters are like this, what does it say about female single posters verhzen ?

 

Honestly, the forum doesn't have a lot of regular single posters. Most of the regular females are married. There are lots of "one-off" female posters. I'd categorize the single female posters as:

 

1) The Naive Dater. "He only calls me at 3 am! Does he want a relationship?" "He tells me I need to lose weight and talks to his ex-gf every night, should I worry?"

2) The Optimistic Dater. This is kinda, sorta, the female equivalent of the "Eh Whatever" guy, except the female version usually puts a lot more effort into analyzing dating. A primary characteristic of these posters is they date a lot, but haven't found anyone who connects.

3) The Bitter. Honestly, though, I think there are only... 2, MAYBE 3 of us who fit this category. This forum is NOT the place to find bitter single women.

[Kamille]

Just because a guy isn't constantly saying what he did on a each day, doesn't mean he's given up.

 

Alas, it also doesn't mean that they're actually trying to meet women.

[wwwjd]

So what type of single men aren't posting on here? Because as I said, the guys I see on the forums are what I see in real life... guys who are play, give up, or don't much care.

 

Me! Oh wait.... I am posting here. But I'm not here to increase my "game" or even meet anyone. Never even done the OLD thing. I came here to ascertain the correct terminology of women "compartimentalizing" guys so I could discuss it with someone who was doing it. But, I enjoy good forum based philosophizing, even about relationships, so I hung around. But normally, I meet peeps in the real world, don't play, have ONLY had LT relationships, never cheat, don't multi-date or mislead anyone EVER.

Seems like MY type is not getting represented well here. And it is not because we are not "Alphas", many of us are. So much so that we don't have to brag about it. And we play it cooler too.

 

We are out there. I exist, others do too. But I read a lot of gaming going on here. It's not for me, so not sure if I will post much here lest I become associated with that.

[joystickd]

Certainly. I also think it's possible to read the PUA sites with a critical mind, taking on the things that make sense without injury to one's sense of integrity.

 

It also hasn't been my experience that there are a lot of 100% PUA men out there. Most seem to be looking for the same kind of loving, honest, fulfilling relationship I am. This, however, doesn't mean they're looking to have that relationship with me - or I with them. We can't be compatible with everyone, else love wouldn't be held to quite the premium that it is.

Most men want relationships really look at some guys on these PUA sites. They talk about one girl they are interested in. Mostly they get into it to meet that one special woman.