spinaroonie Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 I do day game at college campuses. My day game interactions last no more than 10 minutes. I get a number in about 1 in 3 approaches. The biggest challenge in pickup is not getting the number - girls these days give out their numbers like candy. The problem is getting the girls out on a date. Often they won't come out. So how to combat flaky numbers? The key is buidling comfort over text and phone. Keep in mind that she's only actually spoken to you for only 10 minutes, you're still a "random stranger" to her. It takes a bit of time to establish enough rapport for the girl to be invested and comfortable enough to meet with you alone. In my experience with college girls, it takes a good 2-3 days of steady text correspondence to get her comfortable enough to even answer the phone. You have to warm them up first. An impromptu phone call from a "random" is "creepy" to her and they won't answer your call. I like the "text to call" strategy. Bait them with a teaser text like "i need your input on something, it's a long story". When she texts back, call her right away (she's now compelled to answer the call as she knows you know she has her phone in her hand). Now spend a good 10-15 minutes on the phone, show her that you're a cool, normal guy and not a serial killer, and ask her out. Younger girls today are seldom used to prolonged phone converations with guys, so if you can pull it off you're golden. Moreover, at this point she knows your voice, you've moved from "random guy" to "normal interesting guy" and she feels comfortable enough to meet you alone. You probably don't have to deal with this BS with girls 25+, but college girls are of the MSN/Facebook/BBM/texting/"I'm not good on the phone" generation. So my method is: Day 1 - get number, text her that night (callback to something initial conversation) Day 2-3 - exchange texts through the day to build rapport/warm them up Day 4 - "text to call" & phone call Day 5/6//7 - meet If you can't get a meet within a week of the number-close, it's a bust - at this point she's likely forgotten what you look like. IMO this is the most effective strategy to combat flakes from quick number closes, and transition to meet and lay. This method has worked well for me and a buddy who also does day game. Input appreciated.
firehawk_1 Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 doesnt work. its "too much" for the woman after day 1, even just by sending a simple text. then they cheat or date other guys....and couldnt give a stuff about you.
mixwell Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Well I was editing my previous post to give some input but someone posted so here.. I think the whole PUA approach and tactics are just too planned out for every scenario.. I think it's actually quite lame to have to fake a persona to be attractive and interesting to women myself.. I have read "The Game" by Neil Strauss and the best thing I learned overall was to just be interesting, confident, I always tease a bit because I joke around with all my friends anyways. I just treat chicks like I can take it or leave it and don't act too desperate.. I think the overused typical openers like "can i get your opinion on something" sounds too cheesy and fake but I don't know, I guess the PUA advice and what not are more for the socially awkward guys who generally don't really have "game" per se.. I'm not saying I have game but I know how to keep a chick interested and be funny without being too needy or desperate acting. I think what annoys me most is how soo many nobodies (not saying you) just spit out the same typical PUA tactics from people like Neil Strauss, Mystery or whatever. They think because they've read some books or attended some seminars they're a guru and spit tactics but it's the same recycled thing over and over and over... At least learn to be somewhat original...
phineas Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 If someone flakes it's because they have other options & choose one of those. Really simple. Someone flakes on me it's always via txt & I don't even bother responding. If they get back to me it's after their preferred option fell through. That really doesn't bother me however I need to see some effort on their part or their done. A lot of flakes for some reason seem to think I should be happy THEY are giving me a 2nd chance. LOL! 1
dasein Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 I see OP's point. Regardless of how one goes about filling up the bucket of prospects, the bucket either must be filled or you are playing the game entirely on their terms. I prefer to have some small degree of control over the situation as opposed to none. What OP describes absolutely DOES work, just as any volume based approach does, saying it doesn't is ridiculous. Where I differ is that I use flaking as a screen. Women 18 and over, people 18 and over, who don't answer and return their phone calls or flake on plans are simply low social quality people or celebrities. If not already celebrities, they are going nowhere in life. I want as few of these in my life and even my vicinity as possible. I go out of my way to be places socially where these types aren't. So I wouldn't spend the extra time "warming them up." If they are so socially deficient that their standard policy is to flake, good for me for finding that out and leaving them to their superficial empty lives. These types -never- have good friendships and rarely have good family or community relationships to offer either. Dating or being friends with them is a social dead end. I don't care to know people like that, because they don't bring the same things to the table I do, and are infinitely annoying to deal with even once you are dating them. Now if you are just looking to get laid, sure, warm up the flakes and pump and dump as many as you can, they deserve it. If a body and a couple orgasms is all they bring to the table, and they treat people rudely in general, don't give them anything more than that in return.
somedude81 Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Sounds way too complicated to be worth the effort. There's got to be more efficient way to go out with college age girls.
dasein Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Sounds way too complicated to be worth the effort. There's got to be more efficient way to go out with college age girls. Lots of things look more complicated typed out than done. Try typing out how to do laundry for example, and don't skip any steps. What OP describes isn't really that complicated.
somedude81 Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Lots of things look more complicated typed out than done. Try typing out how to do laundry for example, and don't skip any steps. What OP describes isn't really that complicated. No, it's not that it looks more complicated typed out. The steps actually look very simple. Too simple. 1. Go up to a random girl, and have a 10 minute conversation and get her number. 2. Exchange texts through the day to build rapport/warm them up 3. Have another 10-15 minute conversation on the phone and get her to meet up. It should be obvious to see where things can start to go wrong. Hell, going up to a random girl and having a 10 minute conversation that interests her enough to give you her number is a feat in itself.
Imajerk17 Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 First, props for putting yourself out there! Cold-approach is difficult. You have a huge advantage in that few guys have the stones to do something like that. You have a disadvantage in that you only talked to them for 10 minutes. If you meet someone in a bar say, you might manage to hang out for a couple of hours that night. Which means that meeting up again is much closer to automatic. I'm still a huge fan of approaching women during the day though. I hardly drink! Do you at least leave them with some idea of what you might be doing together when you get their number? That might help...
Author spinaroonie Posted April 15, 2012 Author Posted April 15, 2012 dasein, if women who flake are low quality, then the majority of girls under 25 are low quality. I wouldn't be so hasty to generalize. Flaking occurs often because these girls aren't comfortable with meeting a random stranger whom they've known for all of 10 minutes. There are ways to mitigate this via a tactical approach, by building rapport over text and phone. Guys see flakes because they jump the gun - asking the girl out hastily via text without getting to know her well enough first. With cold approach there is very little margin for error - the slightest hint of neediness or awkwardness will send her running - so the suitor must be very calibrated in his approach.
Mme. Chaucer Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 You "do day game at college campuses"? Like, you migrate from campus to campus with the sole purpose of "running game" on girls? Don't you have a job, school, volunteer work or something else of value you could be working on? Besides haunting college campuses trying your silly games, evidently you spend a LOT of time cross posting your threads across the Internets.
Author spinaroonie Posted April 15, 2012 Author Posted April 15, 2012 You "do day game at college campuses"? Like, you migrate from campus to campus with the sole purpose of "running game" on girls? Don't you have a job, school, volunteer work or something else of value you could be working on? Besides haunting college campuses trying your silly games, evidently you spend a LOT of time cross posting your threads across the Internets. It's spelled "Internet".
Imajerk17 Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 dasein, if women who flake are low quality, then the majority of girls under 25 are low quality. I wouldn't be so hasty to generalize. Flaking occurs often because these girls aren't comfortable with meeting a random stranger whom they've known for all of 10 minutes. There are ways to mitigate this via a tactical approach, by building rapport over text and phone. Guys see flakes because they jump the gun - asking the girl out hastily via text without getting to know her well enough first. With cold approach there is very little margin for error - the slightest hint of neediness or awkwardness will send her running - so the suitor must be very calibrated in his approach. There is some truth to what Mme Chaucer is saying.... RE These girls not feeling comfortable meeting up with a random stranger: The first question these girls are going to be asking themselves after you part ways is what were you doing on campus anyway. Are you a student?
Star Gazer Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 It's spelled "Internet". The period belongs inside the quotation mark. "Like this."
fortyninethousand322 Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 What I've noticed is that flaking happens when your scalp gets too dried out. There are some pretty good products to try to treat this. Wait, is this the wrong thread? I could have sworn this thread was about flaking....
Mme. Chaucer Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 It's spelled "Internet". I know, silly. It's a joke to call it "Internets." Now, are you going to answer my questions?
dasein Posted April 16, 2012 Posted April 16, 2012 The period belongs inside the quotation mark. "Like this." The period belongs inside the quotation marks, "like this."
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