The number one factor in a man's attraction for a woman is

[threebyfate]

Kim kardashian is talked about as a sex symbol way more than these other girls you mentioned and I wouldn't call her "skinny".

Funny how millions of men would like to "do" Kim Kardashian and she's got a BMI of 22.5. Quick Kim, lose some weight, you're overweight by Feelsgood and dot's standards!! Thank goodness that millions of other men don't have abnormal preferences.

[Kamille]

Funny how millions of men would like to "do" Kim Kardashian and she's got a BMI of 22.5. Quick Kim, lose some weight, you're overweight by Feelsgood and dot's standards!! Thank goodness that millions of other men don't have abnormal preferences.

 

If FGM and TD want to do current Angelina and whatever Spice she is, please let them! who the f cares?

[Feelsgoodman]

Do you really truly think the skinnier the better it looks naked? I've heard the opposite from many, many guys and no these aren't some ugly unfit poor guys either, quite the opposite.

 

I don't think the fact that skinny women are a trend now means that is what men are attracted to, biologically speaking. Even when you look at porn stars, the women are rarely as skinny as angelina jolie! Having an ass or a good chest goes a much longer way than a flat body all over. Kim kardashian is talked about as a sex symbol way more than these other girls you mentioned and I wouldn't call her "skinny".

Angelina Jolie is not skinny...she's anorexic. Quite a difference. As for what looks good naked. I'll tell you what doesn't: skin folds, flabby flesh, pot belly, 'chicken leg' thighs. What does look good is a hard body with no excess flesh and curves in the right places.

[The dot]

Funny how millions of men would like to "do" Kim Kardashian and she's got a BMI of 22.5. Quick Kim, lose some weight, you're overweight by Feelsgood and dot's standards!! Thank goodness that millions of other men don't have abnormal preferences.

 

Actually, there aren't that many that would like to "do" her. In fact, my male colleagues and I at work make jokes about her.

[Kamille]

Angelina Jolie is not skinny...she's anorexic. Quite a difference. As for what looks good naked. I'll tell you what doesn't: skin folds, flabby flesh, pot belly, 'chicken leg' thighs. What does look good is a hard body with no excess flesh and curves in the right places.

 

Hey, FGM, show us your abs.

[mesmerized]

Angelina Jolie is not skinny...she's anorexic. Quite a difference. As for what looks good naked. I'll tell you what doesn't: skin folds, flabby flesh, pot belly, 'chicken leg' thighs. What does look good is a hard body with no excess flesh and curves in the right places.

 

Sure, but that's usually not very easily achievable for women, unless you want your women to get implants. Most women who have very hard bodies have a small chest and most women who have both boobs and ass are a bit softer in other areas too.

[threebyfate]

If FGM and TD want to do current Angelina and whatever Spice she is, please let them! who the f cares?

Well..really. Their personal preferences are largely irrelevant. What's relevant are men who don't have abnormal preferences.

[dasein]

Actually, there aren't that many that would like to "do" her. In fact, my male colleagues and I at work make jokes about her.

 

She looks like cheap meat on the hoof to me, the type with the painted on grill marks, the "girl's gone wild" Panama City Beach Fla look, not appealing.

 

Of course I'd do her, but there would have to be Keystone Light, vinyl clothing, no air conditioning, 80s techno, a strobe light and some "Money Blessing" incense from the 7-11 involved, kind of a performance art piece.

[Feelsgoodman]

Sure, but that's usually not very easily achievable for women, unless you want your women to get implants. Most women who have very hard bodies have a small chest and most women who have both boobs and ass are a bit softer in other areas too.

Given the choice, I'd take smaller boobs over "extra padding" in other places. I don't have a problem with implants either. The days of misshapen, alien looking fake boobs are behind us.

[mesmerized]

Given the choice, I'd take smaller boobs over "extra padding" in other places. I don't have a problem with implants either. The days of misshapen, alien looking fake boobs are behind us.

 

Well, that's your choice. Not all men will have the same choice, however.

[Radu]

If she actually likes men or not. I notice the women who tend to have the most successful relationships tend to actually like men and don't assume we are a bunch of disloyal, cheating dogs and actually try to understand what really makes us tick. Women who tend to have long lasting and happy relationships are ones who truly get us and don't hate us because of it.

 

It just shows when a woman is genuinely interested in seeing that side of men that we rarely show in public because many times it will be taken as a weakness. At the same time there is nothing more unattractive than a woman with an anti-male attitude. There is a poster here who said that she gave up the bitterness and gets so many more dates as a result. Most men don't want to be in a relationship where they feel they are constantly apologizing for being with a penis.

 

 

100% true.

However the reverse is true as well.

Women like silvermercy, elswyth, vehrzen (less for her), etc ... either openly don't like men (misandrists) or are just hiding it good under feminism and empowerment.

Men like somedude81 (who even admitted in a thread about his childhood), musemaj11 (you are right generally but not all are like that ... in some societies few are like that), phillydude simply do not like women though they are sexually attracted to them.

 

Both of these ppl are in a very interesting pickle. On one side they are sexually attracted to the gender they hate.

 

The best that these ppl can do is to let go of the hatred, stop reading LS and just try to get to know some guy/girl and have fun.

[Woggle]

you can't speak for all men on this subject.

 

The number one factor in my attraction towards a woman is how she treats me.

 

Yes and if she treats you well chances are she is not a man hater.

[Els]

Sounds like a pretty damn good first criteria, OP. Sadly, I don't think you can speak for all men. There is actually a pretty large subset of men whose first criteria for a woman is most definitely not her personality/mindset - their loss.

[OpenBook]

I notice the women who tend to have the most successful relationships tend to actually like men and don't assume we are a bunch of disloyal, cheating dogs and actually try to understand what really makes us tick. Women who tend to have long lasting and happy relationships are ones who truly get us and don't hate us because of it.

 

This is true IME. I have always admired women who have this ability (I myself do not have it) and I envy their success with the male gender, and not just in the romantic sense. Men are not unfathomable mysteries to them, as they are to me. These women know just what to say and do to "keep the balance" (don't know a better way to describe it) while keeping the interaction interesting. Men love it and flock to them.

 

These women have one trait in common - they grew up with one or more brothers. Maybe if I'd had a brother I would have gotten the hang of it?

[namenottaken]

And yeah, I'm bitter about it. Honestly, Woggle, how bout you cut us bitter women a break?

 

I think you need to cut yourself a break. Accept yourself for who you are, and what life has dealt you and others will be more inclined to do the same.

 

I work with a lot of different people. I worked with a woman one day who (to be frank) looked like a man She had short hair, was overweight and had hair growing on her chin. After we talked for a while she told me of a surgery she was going to have (I don’t exactly recall her medical issues) to help correct her hormones.

 

The more time I spent with the more I liked her. She was intelligent, funny, outgoing, kind and just all around someone who I enjoyed spending time with. She had a boyfriend she was living with, which at first (I’m ashamed to admit) I couldn’t believe. The more I got to know her, the more I could see exactly why he was with her; she was a pleasure to be around.

 

Being bitter will do you a disservice. Men will leave a ‘hot’ woman with a ****ty personality too. If you were in relationships, than those men found something about you that was attractive in the beginning. I can’t believe they only left because of your looks. They might have used that as an excuse, because it appears to be what you are most hung up on, to be cruel. I bet it has more to do with parts of your personality, than how you look.

 

The men who hurt you in the past are not the ones who you will be dating. They shouldn’t have to pay the price for what other men have done ‘wrong’ to you.

[Pyro]

Yes and if she treats you well chances are she is not a man hater.

 

You need to concentrate your thoughts more on how your wife treats you versus what she thinks of the male population as a whole.

 

Chances are she never would have dated or married you if she hated anything with a penis attached to it.

[namenottaken]

You need to concentrate your thoughts more on how your wife treats you versus what she thinks of the male population as a whole.

I agree.

 

I don’t care to understand what makes men tick. I only care what makes the man I am with tick. All men are not the same, so if a woman was to try and understand them all, and lump them together, while only running across men who are cheating dogs, this wouldn’t work out well for her.

 

Treating each man (and woman) as an individual, and having no preconceived notion of how they will behave, would be a much better solution.

[Pyro]

I agree.

 

I don’t care to understand what makes men tick. I only care what makes the man I am with tick. All men are not the same, so if a woman was to try and understand them all, and lump them together, while only running across men who are cheating dogs, this wouldn’t work out well for her.

 

Treating each man (and woman) as an individual, and having no preconceived notion of how they will behave, would be a much better solution.

 

it is amazing how such a simple concept is so difficult to follow for so many.

[RedRobin]

Treating each man (and woman) as an individual, and having no preconceived notion of how they will behave, would be a much better solution.

 

Pretty much sums up my life philosophy.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Well, I did appreciate Woggle's attempt to make a thread that would get men talking about the things like like in women other then their bodies. BUT, I do think Woggle should understand that the same applies to women. Which I am sure he does. Women like it when men like us for us. Not for our bodies or other stuff like that. We like it when men enjoy us for our feminity and just because we may want equality in the work place, doesn't mean we want our feminity completely obliterated with no romance.

 

I struggle a lot in my relationships with men. I often feel like they don't get me and I certainly don't get them. I feel like it's always a struggle and am often conflicted between the good things I see in men and the bad things. I know men perfer when you ignore the bad and only see the good but I'm not sure how to do that. I certianly don't hate men at all. I just am often left feeling frustrated and overwhelmed by the kind of things men want you to be or want you to accept about them as something that is "just is". I don't know how to not focus on the things that I fear about men (I'm not talking about being afraid of physical violence or anything, just emotional stuff), that make me feel threatened and not fully safe in my relationships with them. Which I know inhibits my ability to be vulnerable with them much of the time. I do understand why I am like this. But I also know that despite certain experiences steaming back from the classic childhood psychology, I'd like to be able to grow beyond them. However, doing that, is more difficult then talking about it is. So that's where I am right now. I haven't made an active pursuit of dating in a long time. I've just kind of given up with guys at this point because I have too many warts right now and I also think sometimes they do too. But I'm great at giving advice to my friends and giving them good advice. It's easer to fix other people's problems the your own. What's that saying..do as I say, not as I do..... Geez...I'm a sop today.

[zengirl]

Woggle, The main point of the OP really has little to do with gender; it works as a general idea. Basically: People don't like others who are naturally distrustful of them or treat them as though they're "guilty till proven innocent." If you tell someone, "I'm not sure if you're a jerk or not," MOST people will feel like being jerks or not want to associate with you, period. It's basic human nature. It's not just about maleness or any one trait. NO ONE likes people who inherently distrust them. It's started a lot of wars over time, even.

 

It's an excellent point, but I'd say it's better to pull out and see the wide focus. However, yes, if you don't like men (or women) or trust men (or women), you're going to needlessly apply that to totally innocent individuals and turn them off and likely attract the same kind of jerks that made you feel that way in the first place. Some people get lucky. For instance, you didn't trust women, but you met your wife and were able to make it work and trust her for whatever reason. I'm sure that was difficult for you, just as it's difficult for many women to trust men and succeed if they have developed an inherent distrust of the opposite sex. Which is sad, I agree.

[Mme. Chaucer]

That certainly explains why all the aging, bitter feminists on this board are either never married or divorced.

 

Hey! I'm an aging bitter feminist, and I'm married!

[thatone]

This is true IME. I have always admired women who have this ability (I myself do not have it) and I envy their success with the male gender, and not just in the romantic sense. Men are not unfathomable mysteries to them, as they are to me. These women know just what to say and do to "keep the balance" (don't know a better way to describe it) while keeping the interaction interesting. Men love it and flock to them.

 

These women have one trait in common - they grew up with one or more brothers. Maybe if I'd had a brother I would have gotten the hang of it?

 

i think men who grew up with sisters are similar. that said these are not un learnable skills.

 

simple matter of observing what makes people happy and doing whatever that is.

 

the two biggest things that most men see in women that turns them off are reckless insecurity and selfishness. avoid those two and you'll probably do fine

Well, I did appreciate Woggle's attempt to make a thread that would get men talking about the things like like in women other then their bodies. BUT, I do think Woggle should understand that the same applies to women. Which I am sure he does. Women like it when men like us for us. Not for our bodies or other stuff like that. We like it when men enjoy us for our feminity and just because we may want equality in the work place, doesn't mean we want our feminity completely obliterated with no romance.

 

I struggle a lot in my relationships with men. I often feel like they don't get me and I certainly don't get them. I feel like it's always a struggle and am often conflicted between the good things I see in men and the bad things. I know men perfer when you ignore the bad and only see the good but I'm not sure how to do that. I certianly don't hate men at all. I just am often left feeling frustrated and overwhelmed by the kind of things men want you to be or want you to accept about them as something that is "just is". I don't know how to not focus on the things that I fear about men (I'm not talking about being afraid of physical violence or anything, just emotional stuff), that make me feel threatened and not fully safe in my relationships with them. Which I know inhibits my ability to be vulnerable with them much of the time. I do understand why I am like this. But I also know that despite certain experiences steaming back from the classic childhood psychology, I'd like to be able to grow beyond them. However, doing that, is more difficult then talking about it is. So that's where I am right now. I haven't made an active pursuit of dating in a long time. I've just kind of given up with guys at this point because I have too many warts right now and I also think sometimes they do too. But I'm great at giving advice to my friends and giving them good advice. It's easer to fix other people's problems the your own. What's that saying..do as I say, not as I do..... Geez...I'm a sop today.

 

all BS aside i can sympathize with women. on the one hand the hormonal tendency and want to be vulnerable, on the other hand the requirement to be responsible for themselves because no one else (least of all men) are going to look after their best interests.

 

it's a catch22, i get it.

 

but i think the solution to that is rational and realistic decisions about what kind of man you want, what that man will want from you, and simply being that way. unfortunately that eliminates a lot of the happy fantasy that women grow up with and are told to want by the rest of society. no one tells women that they're gonna have to kiss a few frogs before they find their prince. no one tells women that they have to turn off that submissive tendency when the guy turns out to be one of those frogs and cut those frogs loose. no one tells women that they can't manipulate a frog into a prince, that the men they meet are who they are and they need to be a lot more attentive toward the behavior of those men than they are attentive of their own emotions.

 

but then again men don't have it much better off. all of these men who were raised by their single mothers never heard from their mothers that the vast majority of women will not have their mother's loyalty and will be primarily driven by their own insecurity. but ignorance is not a valid defense, just because those men don't know that doesn't make it any less true. so those men trudge along not-being one or two of the primary things that most women want, and they never figure it out either.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I just read this entire thread. What a predictable wreck.

 

OP - of course people who harbor a hatred against the opposite gender are likely to be less attractive to them, especially once their attitude is revealed. But as has been stated dozens (and probably hundreds) of times, many people look at others as individuals and not as iconic representatives of their gender.

 

I'd like to add that not only am I a bitter aging feminist with a very lovely husband, I have also had some "extra padding" at times during my life, including now, and have never been beautiful - and, STILL, I have had what some of you like to term "high value" SO's who really loved me. I've also had a knack for attracting the men I was interested in.

 

In general, men really like me.

 

Go figure.

[soserious1]

That certainly explains why all the aging, bitter feminists on this board are either never married or divorced.

 

You left out a third but very important option- like many divorced men, many of us have decided that casual dating & no strings attached sexual relationships are better in every single way than marriage.