Author Woggle Posted April 15, 2012 Author Posted April 15, 2012 I don't assume the worse. I assume exactly what this board, and my own experience has shown me... that men want the best physically attractive woman with a decent personality. Why is that the "worst"? Well the women are no different on here but there are plenty of people in the real world who go beyond just looks and besides that you are not ugly. I see utterly hideous people in public out with their SOs so there is no reason why a good looking woman like you should have trouble.
xxoo Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 I don't assume the worse. I assume exactly what this board, and my own experience has shown me... that men want the best physically attractive woman with a decent personality. Why is that the "worst"? For the long term, men want a woman who is pretty and sexy to him, with a great personality. 1
verhrzn Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Well the women are no different on here but there are plenty of people in the real world who go beyond just looks and besides that you are not ugly. I see utterly hideous people in public out with their SOs so there is no reason why a good looking woman like you should have trouble. Except I do. And I get constantly yelled at on this board about how it MUST be because I'm bitter (even though having no success is what MADE me bitter), or how I'm lying, or how guys have it tougher. At least guys who have regular problems with women get sympathy and are told to keep at it... I get told it's because I'm fat, or because I'm bitter, or because I'm a feminist. It's been confirmed over and over that men do NOT go beyond just looks. They either go for looks, go for looks AND personality, or settle. And yet I'm supposed to not be bitter about it.
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 I'd give that honor to Feelgoodman.... who has expressed ardently that the only guys who will date me are unemployed, overweight guys who "settle" for me, and I better be happy about it. Woggle has no idea what I even look like. I didn't say they would be unemployed. They will be overweight - just like you. They will have crappy jobs - just like you. And they will settle for you - just like you will for them. Sorry, I don't see thus as fundamentally unfair. Neither do I see how this makes me a "misogynist".
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Refer to Woggle's most recent post. He knows what you look like. Instead of believing him, you're looking to the one guy who won't pay a single woman a single compliment? What's wrong with this picture, verhrzn? What does paying compliments have to do with anything?? I am being 100% straight with her while you're all trying to convince her that the sky is green. She has unrealistic expectations...which she has admitted. She wants a "cute" guy while she's pretty average herself.
threebyfate Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 What does paying compliments have to do with anything?? I am being 100% straight with her while you're all trying to convince her that the sky is green. She has unrealistic expectations...which she has admitted. She wants a "cute" guy while she's pretty average herself.Show me a picture of the cute guy she wants. This is an experiment about subjectivity.
verhrzn Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 What does paying compliments have to do with anything?? I am being 100% straight with her while you're all trying to convince her that the sky is green. She has unrealistic expectations...which she has admitted. She wants a "cute" guy while she's pretty average herself. I am overweight, by about 20 pounds. And my job is nowhere near crappy. It pays much better than any other job I could get with my education, which is why I have it. And as I've already said, I am more than willing to date guys "like" me... slightly overweight, average. I have said that I've had several MALE posters look at pictures of my exes and guys I've been interested in, and they've all voted that I was not stretching my league. And yet, guys still won't date me. Won't pay any attention to me. And your suggestion to that would be "Oh well, lose weight." THAT'S where the female-hate side comes in... I've seen you defend Somedude's rights to a young, thin, big boobed female (while opining how rare they are in America), but shrug at me that my standards are "unrealistic." Well they can't get any lower WITHOUT going into "unemployed" and "obese" categories. And yeah, I would rather be single and bitter than settled for, and I don't see how that makes me a man-hater OR a man-repellant.
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Show me a picture of the cute guy she wants. This is an experiment about subjectivity. Maybe you should ask her to do it.
threebyfate Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Maybe you should ask her to do it.No. I want you to do it since you're claiming she's being unrealistic. In order to know she's being unrealistic, you must know what her definition of "cute" must be. 1
verhrzn Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 No. I want you to do it since you're claiming she's being unrealistic. Yeah, let's see what sort of man you think I should "measure up" to.
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 I am overweight, by about 20 pounds. And my job is nowhere near crappy. It pays much better than any other job I could get with my education, which is why I have it. 20 pounds at your height (5'0 if I recall) is not slightly overweight. You are about 20% overweight. Also, your job is crap if you can't even afford to to spend $200 on a therapist once or twice a month as you stated in another thread. And as I've already said, I am more than willing to date guys "like" me... slightly overweight, average. I have said that I've had several MALE posters look at pictures of my exes and guys I've been interested in, and they've all voted that I was not stretching my league. I did not see those pictures. Maybe these male posters you speak of were just trying to make you feel better. And yeah, I would rather be single and bitter than settled for, and I don't see how that makes me a man-hater OR a man-repellant. What you don't seem to understand is that most people are settled for. If you are not in the top 10% category looks-wise, you will never be someone's #1 choice.
Badsingularity Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 they'll put up with tons of crazy behaviors just because the woman is hot, and they'll put personality second. I am a man. I will not put up with crazy behaviour from a woman just because she is hot. I also put personality first in a relationship. Who are you going to listen to? Them or me?
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Yeah, let's see what sort of man you think I should "measure up" to. Post a picture of a "cute" guy you think is in your league and I will give you an honest, non-sugar coated opinion as to whether you're being realistic.
threebyfate Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Post a picture of a "cute" guy you think is in your league and I will give you an honest, non-sugar coated opinion as to whether you're being realistic.No. You're the one hammering on her about her unrealistic expectations. In order to do so, you must have an excellent understanding of her definition of cute. Put up or...
verhrzn Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 20 pounds at your height (5'0 if I recall) is not slightly overweight. You are about 20% overweight. Also, your job is crap if you can't even afford to to spend $200 on a therapist once or twice a month as you stated in another thread. I did not see those pictures. Maybe these male posters you speak of were just trying to make you feel better. What you don't seem to understand is that most people are settled for. If you are not in the top 10% category looks-wise, you will never be someone's #1 choice. Even at 5'0, 125 pounds is at a normal BMI, and my body fat percentage is in the normal range. (24% ish is the average.) It's not "ideal," but it ain't "20% overweight." I don't even know how you arrived at that percentage... it's a completely nonsensical number. I can't afford $200 on a therapy every month because I'm not freaking rich, but that doesn't make my job crap. I can pay my bills, live completely independently, and still save a little... on what planet is that a crap job?? So, you'd be completely satisfied being "settled for"? Or do you count yourself in the 10% category? Oh wait, of course you do.
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 No. You're the one hammering on her about her unrealistic expectations. In order to do so, you must have an excellent understanding of her definition of cute. Put up or... What are you, her lawyer? Why are you speaking on her behalf? In any event, I offered to provide an honest, objective opinion. Despite what vrhzn might believe, I do not hate her or even dislike her. In fact, I have a certain amount of sympathy for her. She is a victim of Hollywood and popular culture like so many women nowadays. I am not going to be deliberately mean but I'm not going to sugar coat my opinions either. This offer still stands.
Pyro Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 If she actually likes men or not. I notice the women who tend to have the most successful relationships tend to actually like men and don't assume we are a bunch of disloyal, cheating dogs and actually try to understand what really makes us tick. Women who tend to have long lasting and happy relationships are ones who truly get us and don't hate us because of it. It just shows when a woman is genuinely interested in seeing that side of men that we rarely show in public because many times it will be taken as a weakness. At the same time there is nothing more unattractive than a woman with an anti-male attitude. There is a poster here who said that she gave up the bitterness and gets so many more dates as a result. Most men don't want to be in a relationship where they feel they are constantly apologizing for being with a penis. you can't speak for all men on this subject. The number one factor in my attraction towards a woman is how she treats me.
xxoo Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Even at 5'0, 125 pounds is at a normal BMI, and my body fat percentage is in the normal range. (24% ish is the average.) Right. So why do you say you are 20# overweight?
mesmerized Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Even at 5'0, 125 pounds is at a normal BMI, and my body fat percentage is in the normal range. (24% ish is the average.) It's not "ideal," but it ain't "20% overweight." I don't even know how you arrived at that percentage... it's a completely nonsensical number. I can't afford $200 on a therapy every month because I'm not freaking rich, but that doesn't make my job crap. I can pay my bills, live completely independently, and still save a little... on what planet is that a crap job?? So, you'd be completely satisfied being "settled for"? Or do you count yourself in the 10% category? Oh wait, of course you do. You advertise yourself as overweight and then get upset when people tell you you are overweight. I told you, your weight is FINE! girls much much heavier than you have boyfriends. Dating is just tough, for everyone regardless of their weight. I also think you're probably not being so smart in the type of people you choose to date...I can't imagine my exes would ever tell a woman the mean things you said you were told. It's not because I'm beautiful that I didn't hear those things but because they were decent human beings who would never do that to a woman. 1
threebyfate Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 What are you, her lawyer? Why are you speaking on her behalf? In any event, I offered to provide an honest, objective opinion. Despite what vrhzn might believe, I do not hate her or even dislike her. In fact, I have a certain amount of sympathy for her. She is a victim of Hollywood and popular culture like so many women nowadays. I am not going to be deliberately mean but I'm not going to sugar coat my opinions either. This offer still stands.How can you provide an objective opinion with no knowledge of what her definition of "cute" is? That's ridiculous. I find verhrzn looks cute. So if her definition of a cute guy aligns with my definition of her own cuteness, how would this be calling the sky green?
verhrzn Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Right. So why do you say you are 20# overweight? Because I am. "Ideal" is skinny... underweight. Nothing but bones, boobs and butt. But apparently I'm not supposed to be bitter that that's what men want. Because men have their preferences, and I'll be lucky if they "settle" for me, and I should be happy, happy, happy about it.
Feelsgoodman Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Even at 5'0, 125 pounds is at a normal BMI, and my body fat percentage is in the normal range. (24% ish is the average.) It's not "ideal," but it ain't "20% overweight." I don't even know how you arrived at that percentage... it's a completely nonsensical number. Normal weight for 5'0 is 100 lbs. So you are actually 25% overweight. What is average in America is of little relevance as 70% of Americans are overweight. It's like saying that the average inmate at a supermax prison is a murder. Goes with the territory.. I can't afford $200 on a therapy every month because I'm not freaking rich, but that doesn't make my job crap. I can pay my bills, live completely independently, and still save a little... on what planet is that a crap job?? So having $200 per month worth of disposable income makes you "freaking rich". Really? Which country do you live in? America or Angola? So, you'd be completely satisfied being "settled for"? Or do you count yourself in the 10% category? Oh wait, of course you do. Perfectly satisfied. I'm a realist.
xxoo Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Because I am. "Ideal" is skinny... underweight. Nothing but bones, boobs and butt. But apparently I'm not supposed to be bitter that that's what men want. Because men have their preferences, and I'll be lucky if they "settle" for me, and I should be happy, happy, happy about it. Most guys don't actually want a skinny, underweight woman. Look around. Women of all healthy sizes have smitten men on their arms. 1
verhrzn Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Most guys don't actually want a skinny, underweight woman. Look around. Women of all healthy sizes have smitten men on their arms. Yeah, which is why Feelsgoodman and Somedude are constantly going on and on about how they want skinny women and how fat I am. Skinny is ideal, and that's what men want. Everything else is settled for, as the poster above you oh-so-kindly pointed out.
xxoo Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 Normal weight for 5'0 is 100 lbs. There is a range of normal. It isn't one exact weight.
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