verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 True, I'm not saying you have be "skinny" but I'm sure you can reach a balanced weight where your stomach looks more nice and normal. *Shakes head* Fraid not. My mother has been trying for years, and it's actually resulted in her being fatter. I've stopped trying to change my body... it is what it is. I'll focus on health instead (strength, cardio endurance) and just let my weight be what it is, and my body look like it wants to. My entire life, my weight has always hovered around 120-130, no matter what I eat and no matter how I exercise. More exercise, less eating, more eating, less exercise... the endless combinations haven't changed anything. And no matter the weight, my appearance has stayed essentially the same... chunky to fat, especially around the middle. Weight is not health, and health is not appearance. I am tired of fighting an uphill battle that I am ultimately going to lose with circumstance and age anyway. As long as I'm healthy, I'm trying to stop caring that I'm fat. My mother has cared her entire life, and it's pretty much destroyed her (and by extension, her daughters.)
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Martial arts huh.....that is great. keep at it., Other ways to take care of that fat that won't go away do exists. If no matter what you do, it won't go away...things like lypo suction and such can help. I mean why not? just get it done and keep toned by exercise. I've researched lipo suction extensively. The problem is 1) it's expensive, but never covered by insurance. 2) It removes the fat from strategic places, but that fat can come back. And it comes back randomly, or in weird pockets... so you may end up needing to go back in for additional sessions to get it "smoothed out." All that money, time, and energy just so a guy can look at me 3 years into a relationship and say," You're not as thin as when we met, so I'm dumping you." Yeah... no thanks.
Imported Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 *Shakes head* Fraid not. My mother has been trying for years, and it's actually resulted in her being fatter. I've stopped trying to change my body... it is what it is. I'll focus on health instead (strength, cardio endurance) and just let my weight be what it is, and my body look like it wants to. My entire life, my weight has always hovered around 120-130, no matter what I eat and no matter how I exercise. More exercise, less eating, more eating, less exercise... the endless combinations haven't changed anything. And no matter the weight, my appearance has stayed essentially the same... chunky to fat, especially around the middle. Weight is not health, and health is not appearance. I am tired of fighting an uphill battle that I am ultimately going to lose with circumstance and age anyway. As long as I'm healthy, I'm trying to stop caring that I'm fat. My mother has cared her entire life, and it's pretty much destroyed her (and by extension, her daughters.) My bootcamp company commander does not believe you. If you put your life in his hands for 24/7 two months, I absolutely garruntee you he can change your body.
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) My sister was....until she consulted a pro fitness trainer....You should se eher now....thin and spry:) Actually....my sister is outright friggin a babe:laugh: It's weird, but her hair got even blonder when she lost all the weight..... People never believe she's my sister....It's kind of insulting to me. That's nice for your sister, but your sister is not everyone. Everyone's bodies are not your sister's. Your sister's reasons for being overweight are not the same as somebody else's reasons for being overweight. I've consulted a pro fitness trainer. I regularly blog on a whole site full of em. 4-5 months in, and I've actually gotten fatter. (Same weight, higher body fat percentage.) So congrats to your sister, but apples and oranges. My bootcamp company commander does not believe you. If you put your life in his hands for 24/7 two months, I absolutely garruntee you he can change your body. And then immediately gain it back a month after I'd finished with him. That's the tricky thing about weight loss/gain, and body chemistry... if you REALLY force a body, it can change its shape. But you might have just made it impossible to RETAIN that shape. I could lose weight, if I put myself on a calorie diet of 1000 calories. I could get thinner if I starved myself. I could get thinner if I spent 2 hours a day at the gym every day. But who can live like that? And what are the long term health costs? And it's fine your commander doesn't believe me.... no one does until they work with me (or my mother.) Edited April 3, 2012 by verhrzn
RiverRunning Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 My entire life, my weight has always hovered around 120-130, no matter what I eat and no matter how I exercise. More exercise, less eating, more eating, less exercise... the endless combinations haven't changed anything. And no matter the weight, my appearance has stayed essentially the same... chunky to fat, especially around the middle. I knew you had said at one point you were around 119 pounds and a little over 5', if I remember right. In no possible way could you ever be considered 'fat.' Your body fat distribution may not be to your liking (and you're not alone insofar as having the weight go to your belly), but in no conceivable way could I imagine any sane person calling you fat. But maybe my perception of fat is skewed - I am, after all, truly, totally fat. In any case, would love to be as 'fat' as you are But at some point we all just have to be realistic about this: without the use of Photoshop, extreme diligence in diet and a personal trainer, most of us will never look like people on TV or in magazines. To expect a partner to have that kind of body is, frankly, ludicrous. It's not worth it to me to work out all the time to achieve and maintain those results. I'd much rather work on living my life in this body rather than carving out this body. Doesn't mean losing weight isn't great - definitely is - but some people live just to count calories and work out, and that's a sad thing. At some point, we have to cut our losses and realize we can't change everything...including how the fat on your body is distributed. I wouldn't want to invest in cosmetic procedures to change a tiny 'flaw' like that. If you start out on little things like that, it only tends to escalate into more procedures with time anyway. Change what you can to a reasonable degree, and then just enjoy the ride in your body and the things that it can do. No one has a perfect body. 1
Feelsgoodman Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I could lose weight, if I put myself on a calorie diet of 1000 calories. I could get thinner if I starved myself. I could get thinner if I spent 2 hours a day at the gym every day. But who can live like that? And what are the long term health costs? And it's fine your commander doesn't believe me.... no one does until they work with me (or my mother.) I don't, even for a second, believe all that crap you post about your abnormal body type. I bet you just a have a sh*tty diet and don't exercise enough (like all obese complainers). You probably drink Coca-Cola and eat hamburgers like most Americans. And I bet you drive everywhere in your car and your idea of physical exercise is 15 minutes with freeweights (which explains why you have a masculine body). Like most Americans, you are lazy and more interested in excuses than self-improvement. You spend countless hours here writing about your fatness. Plus, you spend many more writing the same nonsense on "self improvement blogs". If you spent a third of that time exercising, you wouldn't be fat. You are fat because you are lazy and American. It really is that simple.
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) I don't, even for a second, believe all that crap you post about your abnormal body type. I bet you just a have a sh*tty diet and don't exercise enough (like all obese complainers). You probably drink Coca-Cola and eat hamburgers like most Americans. And I bet you drive everywhere in your car and your idea of physical exercise is 15 minutes with freeweights (which explains why you have a masculine body). Like most Americans, you are lazy and more interested in excuses than self-improvement. You spend countless hours here writing about your fatness. Plus, you spend many more writing the same nonsense on "self improvement blogs". If you spent a third of that time exercising, you wouldn't be fat. You are fat because you are lazy and American. It really is that simple. Or I'm here a lot because I sit in front of a computer all day at work. I can't exactly exercise while I'm at work. And I've already exercised yesterday and today. Would you like to examine my diet? I have it all stored on LiveStrong. I haven't updated it recently, because I eat the same foods every week. I also keep track of all my workouts (3-4 times a week, 20-30 minutes of cardio, 3-5 sets of 8-12 reps of 3-4 exercises) in a book... should I scan the pages for you? Or will it take testimonies from the 3 personal trainers I've worked with and my primary care physician for you to believe me? It is true I drive everywhere in my car.... because I kinda have to. There isn't anything within walking or biking distance. My work is a 20 minute drive, and bus stops don't run there. But I take a 30 minute walk around the lake outside my building every lunch day. But I love how easily you can call me a liar, just because my reality isn't what you tell me it should be. Please, oh wise and great fitness leader... what's YOUR fitness routine? Do we get to rip apart your habits now? As for consulting a pro fitness trainer.... get a different one if yo udon't see results and stop blogging and do it for real...Just like your other deal, you need offline help with that. You said you see therapist, but either you don't put effort into it or they aren't getting you results. I'm not sorry to clench your ass like I do and you may think I am some weird f'ck that pretends he knows how it is, but I tellya....you better get this under control or you'll grow up even more miserable and bitter when you reach my age. You haven't even felt the worst of it....it gets worse, a lot worse...do what it takes for yourself to get rid of all these negative feeling you have about you. I've had 3 trainers. And a doctor, and a licensed nutrionist. It'd go a long way towards getting rid of my negative feelings if people weren't constantly accusing me of being either an idiot or a liar. Edited April 3, 2012 by verhrzn
Mme. Chaucer Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I don't, even for a second, believe all that crap you post about your abnormal body type. I bet you just a have a sh*tty diet and don't exercise enough (like all obese complainers). You probably drink Coca-Cola and eat hamburgers like most Americans. And I bet you drive everywhere in your car and your idea of physical exercise is 15 minutes with freeweights (which explains why you have a masculine body). Like most Americans, you are lazy and more interested in excuses than self-improvement. You spend countless hours here writing about your fatness. Plus, you spend many more writing the same nonsense on "self improvement blogs". If you spent a third of that time exercising, you wouldn't be fat. You are fat because you are lazy and American. It really is that simple. If you're going to rip her a new one, why don't you at least read what she has written and take that into consideration? Are you a lazy American too? And what happened to your anti-bullying of verhzn campaign? You are reacting to her posts very similarly to those you chastised the other day. Except even meaner. Where is the support and love? Make her feelgood, man!
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 If you're going to rip her a new one, why don't you at least read what she has written and take that into consideration? Are you a lazy American too? And what happened to your anti-bullying of verhzn campaign? You are reacting to her posts very similarly to those you chastised the other day. Except even meaner. Where is the support and love? Make her feelgood, man! Well, fat people don't deserve to be treated like people. He defended me earlier when he thought I was skinny. Once he realized I was one of them overweight women, well, we're no better than dumb animals who just need to be shamed into proper behavior. Easy mistake to make, really.
ascendotum Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I was fat and broke before. I was able to afford 2 whoppers a day because they had a deal $2 two whoppers and for @ 3 months that's what I did. Bought two whoppers and cut them in half and eat the halves spaced out per day. I lost a **** ton of weight. Healthy/unhealthy food and excersize had nothing to do with it, I just ate less. Wow that's cheap eatz, living on $2 a day. It's perverse that the cheapest diet is fastfood bugers though. You should become a spokesperson for Burger King....stand in your former fat pants and say look what whoppers did for me. Someone mentioned fat and the poor parts of town. In the city I live, in the poor parts of town the women definitely are fatter, with the guys its a mixture slobby bodies but also plenty of skinnies too. In the wealthy suburbs, the women I would say are slimmer than the norm and the guys probably more overweight then the norm. The women landed the successful men because of their looks and so focus on keeping them (and have the time + $ to help do so), while the guys focus on business and think their $ keeps their wives happy. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Well, fat people don't deserve to be treated like people. He defended me earlier when he thought I was skinny. Once he realized I was one of them overweight women, well, we're no better than dumb animals who just need to be shamed into proper behavior. Easy mistake to make, really. Well, don't feel too bad. I'm an elderly "feminazi" and he's mean to me, too.
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Well, don't feel too bad. I'm an elderly "feminazi" and he's mean to me, too. Ah, yes, fatties and feminazies... the real enemies of humanity. When our evil plan to turn everyone into castrated dough balls has been achieved, I call ultimate ruler of Australia.
Feelsgoodman Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Well, fat people don't deserve to be treated like people. He defended me earlier when he thought I was skinny. Once he realized I was one of them overweight women, well, we're no better than dumb animals who just need to be shamed into proper behavior. Easy mistake to make, really. Wrong. I knew you were fat because you've been posting about your weight issues since time immemorial. I thought it was wrong for people to bully you and make you the subject of jokes. That's not what I'm doing here. If my post comes across as 'mean' it's because of my straightforward delivery without any sugar coating. Fat people are fat because they are lazy. There is no question about it. I've never - and I mean NEVER - met a fat person who didn't have some sorry @ss excuse for being fat. Yet, how come there are so few fat people in poor countries? Naturally, it's because people there cannot afford to be lazy and gluttonous. You workout routine is sh*t. 20 min of cardio? A lunchtime walk by the lake? Do you honestly expect that to adequately compensate for your sedentary lifestyle (i.e. spending the rest of the day in front of a computer and behind the wheel of your car)? Let's see: one hour per day of psychical activity and 23 hours of sleeping ans sitting on your @ss. You call that an active lifestyle?? How typically American! 1
johan Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 LS is such a great site to be on tonight. It's like an assh*le contest. Let's see who can be bitchier, the guys or the girls.
Professor X Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Wrong. I knew you were fat because you've been posting about your weight issues since time immemorial. I thought it was wrong for people to bully you and make you the subject of jokes. That's not what I'm doing here. If my post comes across as 'mean' it's because of my straightforward delivery without any sugar coating. Fat people are fat because they are lazy. There is no question about it. I've never - and I mean NEVER - met a fat person who didn't have some sorry @ss excuse for being fat. Yet, how come there are so few fat people in poor countries? Naturally, it's because people there cannot afford to be lazy and gluttonous. You workout routine is sh*t. 20 min of cardio? A lunchtime walk by the lake? Do you honestly expect that to adequately compensate for your sedentary lifestyle (i.e. spending the rest of the day in front of a computer and behind the wheel of your car)? Let's see: one hour per day of psychical activity and 23 hours of sleeping ans sitting on your @ss. You call that an active lifestyle?? How typically American! Hahahaha, good point. Reminds me of the following pic: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_akLHpeO7qyA/TEAOhIdkOlI/AAAAAAAABhY/sPSwl2KoPm0/s1600/25-motivational-posters-part-II-exercise.jpg
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Wrong. I knew you were fat because you've been posting about your weight issues since time immemorial. I thought it was wrong for people to bully you and make you the subject of jokes. That's not what I'm doing here. If my post comes across as 'mean' it's because of my straightforward delivery without any sugar coating. Fat people are fat because they are lazy. There is no question about it. I've never - and I mean NEVER - met a fat person who didn't have some sorry @ss excuse for being fat. Yet, how come there are so few fat people in poor countries? Naturally, it's because people there cannot afford to be lazy and gluttonous. You workout routine is sh*t. 20 min of cardio? A lunchtime walk by the lake? Do you honestly expect that to adequately compensate for your sedentary lifestyle (i.e. spending the rest of the day in front of a computer and behind the wheel of your car)? Let's see: one hour per day of psychical activity and 23 hours of sleeping ans sitting on your @ss. You call that an active lifestyle?? How typically American! Yeah, I guess I'll just quit my job so I can work out all the time and be thin like men expect! I guess I'll just.... get only 4 hours of sleep, so I can spend all of my free time biking to work (which can only be accessed by highway, so forget those sidewalks and safe biking concerns!) and working out, so I can be thin due to someone else's expectations of my body. Maybe you've never met a fat person who "didn't have an excuse" because you're constantly calling them liars and degrading ANY reason they have as "an excuse." "Pfft, a disease that makes you fat? Excuse! Medication and birth control that has a proven side effect of substantial weight gain? Excuse! Your entire family is hefty so maybe, just maybe, it's genetic? Excuse!" 20 minutes of cardio, if done right, is more effective than 4 hours of running. Interval running is a great way to KEEP burning calories. Ya know, ramping up your metabolism? It's also effective in that it's sustainable. I can still have a life outside the gym, and be healthy. See that key word right there? Healthy? Yeah, I know it'll shock you, but people can be heavier/overweight (not obese, so don't confuse the two) and still be healthy. You look at a person, and you have NO IDEA about their health range. Plenty of skinny people are unhealthy, and plenty of fat people are healthy. But explaining all of this is pointless to you. Your lack of expertise and knowledge is obvious, in that you completely ignored that I'm doing strength training on top of cardio... strength training is a fantastic way to burn calories, and more importantly, build muscle. Ya know, refuse body fat. Body fat (and not weight) being the real culprit of health issues. So let's hear your amazing plan of health. How long do you do cardio for every day? How long do you drive a car? If you're going to go around pointing fingers and telling everyone how to live their lives, then obviously you're prepared to be scrutinized yourself. Eat food, not TV dinners. Ironically Feminism probably is to blame for Verzhns self-proclaimed weight issues too. If she was taught how to be a lady instead of dressing in mens clothes and getting rid of her period, she would know how to cook wholesome, natural food from scratch instead of relying on processed Diet TV dinners . For the last freaking time... I don't drink any soda, and I eat Paleo. Freaking Google it. No grains, no processed foods. I make EVERY. SINGLE. MEAL from scratch. And since I can't eat bread, that means no "easy" meals like sandwiches. I spent at least 25% of my free time cooking. Now why don't you post what you eat so we can judge you for that as well? Fair is fair. Edited April 3, 2012 by verhrzn
Feelsgoodman Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Yeah, I guess I'll just quit my job so I can work out all the time and be thin like men expect! I guess I'll just.... get only 4 hours of sleep, so I can spend all of my free time biking to work (which can only be accessed by highway, so forget those sidewalks and safe biking concerns!) and working out, so I can be thin due to someone else's expectations of my body. Maybe you've never met a fat person who "didn't have an excuse" because you're constantly calling them liars and degrading ANY reason they have as "an excuse." "Pfft, a disease that makes you fat? Excuse! Medication and birth control that has a proven side effect of substantial weight gain? Excuse! Your entire family is hefty so maybe, just maybe, it's genetic? Excuse!" 20 minutes of cardio, if done right, is more effective than 4 hours of running. Interval running is a great way to KEEP burning calories. Ya know, ramping up your metabolism? It's also effective in that it's sustainable. I can still have a life outside the gym, and be healthy. See that key word right there? Healthy? Yeah, I know it'll shock you, but people can be heavier/overweight (not obese, so don't confuse the two) and still be healthy. You look at a person, and you have NO IDEA about their health range. Plenty of skinny people are unhealthy, and plenty of fat people are healthy. Time spent on the Internet arguing over why you are fat: 20 hours/week Time spent doing physical exercise: 2 hours/week I rest my case.
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Time spent on the Internet arguing over why you are fat: 20 hours/week Time spent doing physical exercise: 2 hours/week I rest my case. I.am.on.the.computer.for.work.45.hours.a.week. I cannot exercise at work. I cannot quit my job just to exercise, because you think I should be skinny. Is that honestly what you are suggesting? Quitting my job? Your math is also awful. I go to the gym 3-4 times a week. Each time is 20-30 minutes of cardio and 30ish minutes of weight lifting. That's about a full hour. So, I'm actually spending 3-4 hours a week exercising, double what you are claiming. (And that's not counting the time I do dancing or martial arts.) But I love how you don't actually address any of my points. You're scrambling for the one thing you can argue; that somehow I'm not spending every minute of my life exercising, and that's why I'm fat. Please, oh knowledgeable thin one; do you not work, so you can exercise? How long do YOU spend in front of the computer? How much do you exercise, what do you eat? How much do you drive as opposed to walking?
lso802 Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I didn't read the entire thread but define fat. I can't imagine someone eating clean (within their calorie limits for a healthy weight) and working out being at an unhealthy weight.
verhrzn Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I didn't read the entire thread but define fat. I can't imagine someone eating clean (within their calorie limits for a healthy weight) and working out being at an unhealthy weight. *Facepalm*
mesmerized Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 *Facepalm* Your weight is not unhealthy tho, your problem seem to be more about your body shape. My guess is that you are apple shaped and in that case, I know what you mean. I know a lot of women with that body type that are skinny everywhere but their stomach is rather big. I don't have any specific advice but maybe look up exercises for your body shape.
brokenTom Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Ah, yes, fatties and feminazies... the real enemies of humanity. When our evil plan to turn everyone into castrated dough balls has been achieved, I call ultimate ruler of Australia. We love you verhrzn... it seems some of these folks need a good punch to the groin
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Ah, yes, fatties and feminazies... the real enemies of humanity. When our evil plan to turn everyone into castrated dough balls has been achieved, I call ultimate ruler of Australia. Shenanigans!
The Blue Knight Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Wrong. I knew you were fat because you've been posting about your weight issues since time immemorial. I thought it was wrong for people to bully you and make you the subject of jokes. That's not what I'm doing here. If my post comes across as 'mean' it's because of my straightforward delivery without any sugar coating. Fat people are fat because they are lazy. There is no question about it. I've never - and I mean NEVER - met a fat person who didn't have some sorry @ss excuse for being fat. Yet, how come there are so few fat people in poor countries? Naturally, it's because people there cannot afford to be lazy and gluttonous. You workout routine is sh*t. 20 min of cardio? A lunchtime walk by the lake? Do you honestly expect that to adequately compensate for your sedentary lifestyle (i.e. spending the rest of the day in front of a computer and behind the wheel of your car)? Let's see: one hour per day of psychical activity and 23 hours of sleeping ans sitting on your @ss. You call that an active lifestyle?? How typically American! Sadly, I'll have to agree. Americans are grossly overfed and letting themselves go. Contrastingly, our health clubs are full of people who do take ownership of their health, and that's a good thing. It comes down to simple little lifestyle choices. For instance, it's noteworthy that overweight individuals are just about always the ones you see circling the Walmart parking lot looking for that single parking stall 30 feet from the entrance. I park wherever there's an opening and walk it. 100 feet, 200 feet. I don't care. I'm healthy, so I'll just walk. But I've actually watched as these people circle the lot like hungry sharks looking for that one stall which will keep them from having to exert themselves for more than 30 feet, even if it takes them 5 minutes to find one! Inevitably, when they find that spot and disembark from said motor vehicle, they are typically overweight. It's about lifestyle and the little decisions you make each day. Did you ever see a photo of a holocaust survivor who was still overweight when the camps were liberated? Of course not. Each looked nearly the same because they were all on the same poor nutrition and limited intake diet. Excuses are just that . . . excuses. Few people have to carry the extra weight they tell us that they are "stuck with." They just choose not to discipline their lifestyles. 3
tman666 Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 It's about lifestyle and the little decisions you make each day. This is ultimately what physical fitness boils down to. I know many, many fat people who go through the self defeating cycle of making good decisions for a little while, only to slip back into their old ways. Consistency over the long term is the area where I see people failing most often. THAT SAID, verhrzn has made a good point concerning the uniqueness of individuals. What works for one person will not necessarily work for another. The fact is, some people have a bigger mountain to climb to achieve their best possible physical condition. People who were obese or overweight as children, in particular, come to mind. Physiologically, most of us are pretty similar. Behaviorally, however, the spectrum is much wider. Reversing a lifetime of habits that caused a person to become obese is not something that is going to have a neat, linear timeline. So, yes, physical condition is dependent on choices (nobody has ever forced me to inhale a box of Oreos, for example. I've done that all on my own, haha). However, our mindset, our behaviors, and our habits all play huge roles on our decision making processes. Because of this, I think that the good trainers are the ones who don't simply "beat up" their clients in the gym or force them to adhere to a strict diet. The good trainers are those who motivate their clients to want to be part of a fitness lifestyle that influences their individual choices on a 24/7 basis.
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