Do women feel scared when men watch them?

[Cracker Jack]

This thread has helped me develop a better understanding of women. I can honestly say at one point, I often locked eyes with a woman if I found her attractive, and tried to keep it as much as possible, but I never really stared too much, unless I knew they were still looking at me. Also, my eye contact skills kinda sucked so I sorta avoided looking at women entirely sometimes:laugh:

 

I've seen the hungry hippos stare women down while out in the city, tho, and I often wondered how they felt when it was going on. Now I kinda feel bad for the times I've stared at a woman briefly because they might've felt a bit scared or something...

[Necris]

Do tell where in the following do you see me stating men complaining about not getting a relationship from a woman?

I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing. If more men used porn to fulfill their sexual needs perhaps there would be far less whining by men about women not wanting them and fewer men expecting women to dole them out sex.

 

The wanting could be for anything.

 

If it's so obvious to you that this doesn't apply to men who want to have a relationship with women perhaps you wouldn't have assumed the wanting in my statement was for a relationship.

 

I disagree that men complaining they can't get a relationship do not just want women for sex being the definitive as there are some men who want a relationship with a woman because they think it entails a steady sex supply who can't turn them down.

 

I was discussing whining about others not wanting you & expecting others to dole you want you want in this case sex.

 

When I hear the words "not wanting them" I think relationship.

 

Again, how is porn going to satisfy anyone? Guys like myself and Rob42 actually want to have a real relationship with a woman. I could care less that I'm a virgin I could be a virgin for 20 more years and still not care but I do want a relationship. Plenty of guys look at porn already that doesn't replace that longing in their heart for a relationship or even just sex since porn is just fake pictures of sex. More guys looking at porn doesn't make anything better if anything it could make things worse with more guys thinking of women as simply objects for pleasure as porn reduces women and men to just objects.

 

There's plenty of motives for wanting a relationship such as the many men who want a relationship with a woman and it's for the sake of their own confidence, self-esteem, and ego thinking a woman valdiates their existence and etc.

 

Or you know for most guys, at least, they actually want to have a relationship for other less selfish reasons.

[udolipixie]

When I hear the words "not wanting them" I think relationship.

Okay.

 

Though if it was so obviou to you that it didn't apply to men who want to have a relationship with women why think "not wanting them" means a relationship in this scenario? Just curious.

 

Again, how is porn going to satisfy anyone?

Do tell where do I use the words satisfy?

 

Fulfill according to a dictionary means "Bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize".

 

Masturbation/porn would achieve their sexual need in the sense of sexual release.

 

I've made no statements, claims, suggestions, or implications of satisfying sexual needs just providing an alternative to fulfill it.

 

Reread:

If more men used porn to fulfill their sexual needs perhaps there would be far less whining by men about women not wanting them and fewer men expecting women to dole them out sex.

 

I state if more men used porn to fulfill their needs perhaps there would be less whining about others not wanting them & expecting others to dole out sex.

 

Guys like myself and Rob42 actually want to have a real relationship with a woman.

And...?

 

So my less whining about women not wanting them stemming from hatred, bitterness, and resentment and less expecting others to dole you out what you want may not apply to you.

 

Not seeing the relevance here as I wasn't stating, suggesting, or implying it did.

 

Especially as my statement wasn't about those who wanted an real relationship with a woman by whatever your definitions of real and relationship are.

 

I could care less that I'm a virgin I could be a virgin for 20 more years and still not care but I do want a relationship. Plenty of guys look at porn already that doesn't replace that longing in their heart for a relationship or even just sex since porn is just fake pictures of sex.

And..?

 

More guys looking at porn doesn't make anything better if anything it could make things worse with more guys thinking of women as simply objects for pleasure as porn reduces women and men to just objects.

Most likely the guys whining about women not wanting them & expecting women to dole out sex for them already think of women as simply objects for pleasure.

 

Even without more guys looking at porn that mindset already exists.

 

Plenty of men already think of women as simply objects for their pleasure.

 

Plenty of men already use women as simply objects for their pleasure.

 

At least with more porn viewing perhaps there would be far less whining by men about women not wanting them and fewer men expecting women to dole them out sex.

 

Or you know for most guys, at least, they actually want to have a relationship for other less selfish reasons.

Egh I don't really do most or definitives when talking generally unless there's a study or statistic to me it's some, plenty, or many.

[Mme. Chaucer]

A man who's planning on attacking a woman will watch her without ever being spotted by her. A man making it obvious to the woman of his desire that he's watching her won't try to hide that claim, therefore an attack won't be imminent. Learn the difference.

 

Don't talk to me like that, little boy.

 

I am interested, though, in what makes you think you are the expert on how men who are planning to attack a woman will behave. Do YOU do this?

 

FYI, many attacks are well documented to have been perpetrated by someone who's been SEEN stalking.

 

Women don't have to "learn the difference." That's ridiculous. Women (or anyone, for that matter) need to unapologetically GET AWAY from men (or anyone, any time) who make them feel threatened.

 

No need to wait around to find out the hard way whether the stalkerish creep is actually a violent predator.

 

And a man who thinks he's "making it obvious" to a woman that she is the object of his desire by "watching" her IS behaving in a socially unacceptable, potentially threatening, and at the least disconcertingly creepy way.

 

Just get away. Or, as in the case of your old co-worker with the creepy stalker neighbor, certainly DO what you can to get them away from YOU.

[Mme. Chaucer]

This thread has helped me develop a better understanding of women. I can honestly say at one point, I often locked eyes with a woman if I found her attractive, and tried to keep it as much as possible, but I never really stared too much, unless I knew they were still looking at me. Also, my eye contact skills kinda sucked so I sorta avoided looking at women entirely sometimes:laugh:

 

 

But eye contact is NOT the same as "watching" a woman.

[Woggle]

Why aren't you hearing this? Approaching isn't what people are talking about. Approaching isn't staring. Staring is the point, Woggle. OK?

 

So what is the difference between what people are talking about and how I met my wife? If men are not supposed to talk to women how did people on here meet their spouses?

[Quiet Storm]

Or you know for most guys, at least, they actually want to have a relationship for other less selfish reasons.

 

I do agree that relationship minded men want more than just sex. After being with my husband for twenty years, I see their other needs. They want companionship, friendship, loyalty. They need to know you've got their back, no matter what. And if you give that to them, they'll return it. At least that how it is for me. Relationship minded men show their love, with sex. If they don't have that outlet, they won't thrive, IMO.

 

I think men are capable of objectifying some women, and also respecting the women they know and love. It sounds contradictory, but it's been my experience.

 

I know most men aren't meaning to offend when they stare, but it's still annoying. There are subtle ways of looking without being disrespectful about it or coming off creepy. Watch married guys- many have mastered the art of stealth looking.

[udolipixie]

So what is the difference between what people are talking about and how I met my wife?

The difference is that most people are talking about how some may find it uncomfortable when a random guy watches them and that some women may be cautious as he's a stranger so they don't know if his intentions are good or bad and they likely had far more unpleasant encounters than pleasant.

 

You're talking about approaching and starting a conversation with your wife.

 

If men are not supposed to talk to women how did people on here meet their spouses?

Where did you get that men aren't supposed to talk to women?

 

Any quotes to show this?

[udolipixie]

I think men are capable of objectifying some women, and also respecting the women they know and love. It sounds contradictory, but it's been my experience.

I think that's most people going by my experience.

 

Watch married guys- many have mastered the art of stealth looking.

[Mme. Chaucer]

So what is the difference between what people are talking about and how I met my wife? If men are not supposed to talk to women how did people on here meet their spouses?

 

What in God's name are you doing? THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT TALKING TO WOMEN, PRO OR CON.

 

Stay on topic why dontcha.

[Woggle]

What in God's name are you doing? THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT TALKING TO WOMEN, PRO OR CON.

 

Stay on topic why dontcha.

 

It is in the same ballpark. If a man sees a woman that interests him what is the proper and non offensive way to talk to her?

[udolipixie]

It is in the same ballpark. If a man sees a woman that interests him what is the proper and non offensive way to talk to her?

 

Depends on the woman.

 

In general by following social norms, noting personal boundaries, and accepting that just as you can approach anyone you chose she can choose to begin,c continue, or leave the interaction and is not obligated to talk to you or behave how you want her to if she's not insulting you.

[Mme. Chaucer]

It is in the same ballpark. If a man sees a woman that interests him what is the proper and non offensive way to talk to her?

 

On THIS thread, where we are both posting right now, it has been said over and over that if a guy is interested, he NEEDS to make some kind of interaction.

 

Just lurking, watching, staring, stalking? NOT THE SAME THING. And you know it, too.

[Woggle]

So there is nothing wrong with going up and saying hello?

[udolipixie]

So there is nothing wrong with going up and saying hello?

 

Do tell where are the quotes that stated there was something wrong with that?

[Woggle]

Do tell where are the quotes that stated there was something wrong with that?

 

You have to read between the lines.

[Shaun-Dro]

You aren't a creep if you approach a woman. You are a creep if you keep persisting to a point that makes her uncomfortable.

 

Different people have different comfort zones. What works on one girl isn't going to work on others. That's the beauty of trial and error. I don't really understand why it's such a problem. You don't want to date a woman that is put of by you anyway, do you?

 

An added aside.. just the title of this thread creeps me out a little bit... who says "watching" instead of looking at or checking out or something to that effect? THAT is creepy.

 

Oh, stop your silly whining . If the thread title bothered you so much, then why did you join it? Should I say: enter at your own risk?

[El Brujo]

This is the impression I'm getting nowadays. At work, a female coworker claimed to feel anxious when one guy watched her from his car at the red light. Mind you, they were both in cars. So what? He didn't utter a word.

 

Another coworker stated that a customer entered our workplace and told her she was beautiful and looked at her for a while. She panicked. Oh wow really?

 

Last but not least, an older female colleague of mine in her 40s said that a man watches her from the above terrace of her apartment building almost every day and she's considering notifying security about the issue since it makes her feel so uncomfortable. I just looked at her with a blank face at listening to this drivel.

 

Now ladies, have men these days really struck so much fear in your little hearts that even our eyes are giving you the willies? I truly wonder.

 

Do YOU enjoy people staring at YOU and undressing you with their eyes??? I don't. In fact, I hate being stared at.

[Woggle]

I apologize for the way I came across but I just was getting the feeling that women here were saying men should not talk to a woman ever and it contradicted what has been said in previous threads. I am sorry if I misread it.

[Shaun-Dro]

Yes, it can be scary. I developed early and had to deal with men staring at me before I even knew why.

 

I also am well endowed in both the chest and booty department, but petite with a small waist, so it is something that I just deal with. It doesn't matter if I am totally covered up, my curves still show and I get looks.

 

I'll never forget shortly after I'd had a baby, I was on a walk with the baby and struggling with the stroller and my bags. I had to cross the street and the light was flashing, so I started to run with the stroller. You would've thought I was on a beach walking around in a thong the way all the men stopped in their tracks to watch my boobs bounce as I ran across the street. One idiot even started clapping, like I had put on this show for his viewing pleasure. There I am trying to enjoy a walk with my new baby, and I have to deal with that crap.

 

I do think many men don't understand how it makes a woman feel, and think we should be flattered because that's how they would feel if a woman was staring at him. It's hard for them to comprehend that we don't like being looked at. They think we just say that to be coy or something, and that we secretly love it, but just won't admit it.

 

So I've just come to accept that walking out of the house alone, or with my kids, means that I will get stared at. It's annoying, but my reality.

 

However, one way to deter unwanted attention is to get yourself a tall, big husband (or bf). It's so strange, because when I am walking with my 6'2" 250 lb husband, I don't get any looks! Imagine that!

 

I guess having a tall man does have it's advantages.

 

By why is that? It's like night and day.

 

When I'm alone, I get the stares. When I'm with my husband, I don't.

 

Is it because men won't stare at another man's woman out of respect for that man? If so, why is he respectful enough to alter his behavior for a man, but not for the woman? Or do you think it's because the men are just afraid of getting their butt kicked?

 

If you hate men looking at you, why did you marry? Didn't your husband watch you and approach before becoming your husband? Think about it.

 

Another thing: why does a man have to be tall to qualify as a protector? I disagree with that statement as it's rather ridiculous. I'm a short guy at 5'6 but can and have protected my women from men of any size.

[udolipixie]

If you hate men looking at you, why did you marry?

Do tell where did she state, suggest, or imply she hated men looking at her?

 

I got she disliked certain cases and thinks many men can't comprehend why women may not like being looked at.

 

Didn't your husband watch you and approach before becoming your husband? Think about it.

Reread the scenarios in which she finds guys looking at her annoying.

 

Think about it.

 

Another thing: why does a man have to be tall to qualify as a protector?

Do tell where did she state that a man has to be tall to qualify as a protector?

 

I only get that she thinks her partner being tall intimidates others from behaviors she finds annoying.

[Shaun-Dro]

Do tell where did she state, suggest, or imply she hated men looking at her?

 

I got she disliked certain cases and thinks many men can't comprehend why women may not like being looked at.

 

 

Reread the scenarios in which she finds guys looking at her annoying.

 

Think about it.

 

 

Do tell where did she state that a man has to be tall to qualify as a protector?

 

I only get that she thinks her partner being tall intimidates others from behaviors she finds annoying.

 

I've come to discover that women speak in several languages, none here meaning one or the other, but in fact something entirely different, so I'm not about to take what's stated by you girls too seriously.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I apologize for the way I came across but I just was getting the feeling that women here were saying men should not talk to a woman ever and it contradicted what has been said in previous threads. I am sorry if I misread it.

 

It's well documented throughout your impressive LoveShack postng history that your "feelings" about what people are writing (as opposed to what people actually do write) are woefully off base.

 

Try engaging in the conversations that are actually taking place rather than "reading between the lines" so you can morph everything into the broken record that plays nonstop inside of your head.

[Woggle]

It's well documented throughout your impressive LoveShack postng history that your "feelings" about what people are writing (as opposed to what people actually do write) are woefully off base.

 

Try engaging in the conversations that are actually taking place rather than "reading between the lines" so you can morph everything into the broken record that plays nonstop inside of your head.

 

I know but it seems like these past few weeks I have seen several threads where women ask why men are so afraid to approach and then I see this thread. It is very contradictory.

[Badsingularity]

Do tell where did she state, suggest, or imply she hated men looking at her?

 

"It's hard for them to comprehend that we don't like being looked at." Quiet Storm