udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I am just trying to figure things out. It seems that in one thread the general consensus was one thing and in this it is completely different plus there are some women in this thread who agreed that men don't have the balls to approach now turning around and saying a man should not approach. Can you understand how a man would look at these two threads and come away just confused? To my recollection see a post stating that men shouldn't approach women except those stating watching her without approaching and even then it's that it's uncomfortable, creepy, and don't know your intentions are good or bad. Care to point these posts telling men not to approach women?
LexiB Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 Rob42, serious question: as an alternative to approaching, have you ever had your friends, family members, co-workers, etc., introduce you to single women they know?
Woggle Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I must say I have approached a ton of women and the only bad responses I ever got was when I wasn't even talking to a woman and when a woman dropped her cellphone and gave a huge attitude when I ran after her to give it to her. I must admit I felt like smashing it on the ground after that. I met my wife while she was sitting on a bench and I just went up and started a conversation. According to women here was I harrassing her or being creepy?
ASG Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I don't stare at women but you'll blame me for the actions of other men. Excuse me??? I won't blame you for anything. I don't know you. But I've had bad experiences, and as such I am wary. Usually I know nothing's gonna happen, but I have been wrong before (re: my past experiences!). So yeah... I mostly ignore it, but it doesn't make me comfortable, no. And you can't blame me for your inability to get laid. It is NOT my problem. I second LexiB's question. Have you never had friends introduce you to their single female friends? Because usually that's how people meet!
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I must say I have approached a ton of women and the only bad responses I ever got was when I wasn't even talking to a woman and when a woman dropped her cellphone and gave a huge attitude when I ran after her to give it to her. I must admit I felt like smashing it on the ground after that. I met my wife while she was sitting on a bench and I just went up and started a conversation. According to women here was I harrassing her or being creepy? You don't seem to know generally what the women here are saying. Quite interesting for someone who stated how many women are posting angry posts about how men shouldn't approach. Really interesting for someone who stated how many of the same women who stated men don't have balls if they don't approach in one thread are saying men shouldn't approach in this thread.
CC12 Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I met my wife while she was sitting on a bench and I just went up and started a conversation. According to women here was I harrassing her or being creepy? Where are you getting this stuff? Nobody said that simply starting a conversation with someone is creepy. 1
ASG Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I must say I have approached a ton of women and the only bad responses I ever got was when I wasn't even talking to a woman and when a woman dropped her cellphone and gave a huge attitude when I ran after her to give it to her. I must admit I felt like smashing it on the ground after that. I met my wife while she was sitting on a bench and I just went up and started a conversation. According to women here was I harrassing her or being creepy? Not necessarily. I can't say I would be too happy about it though, if you did that to me. But at the same time, it kinda depends on HOW you do it and how you start a conversation.
ASG Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I have few friends and as I said just one time did a friend try and it didn't work out. They use that as their excuse to not try again. All anyone tells me is it is not their people. People won't just not help but they don't want me to succeed at all. I've been blamed for others misdeeds all through my life. You'd be angry if you were a 42 year old virgin, though I know you dodn't believe me, but people don't know what it's like when they were very experienced by 20. Well, if you're angry about it, go to therapy. What you are doing here is unleashing your rage at women, for not sleeping with you. And that is not on. Also, that kinda attitude will prevent you getting laid, anyway. Women (well, humans, in general) can sense when someone has an utter dislike for them and that won't help your case, even if do were to meet hordes of single women.
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I have few friends and as I said just one time did a friend try and it didn't work out. They use that as their excuse to not try again. All anyone tells me is it is not their people. Sounds like it was quite a disaster in a way that made it seem you are stagnant and can't be helped or that it's too much of a hassle to do so. That or you attract or are attracted to crapola friends. People won't just not help but they don't want me to succeed at all. Perhaps it's best suited to rely on yourself to succeed in getting a romantic/sexual relationship rather than other people. I've been blamed for others misdeeds all through my life. You'd be angry if you were a 42 year old virgin, though I know you dodn't believe me, but people don't know what it's like when they were very experienced by 20. Angry at who? Yourself. It's unlikely that you'll always get what you want. People. No one is obligated to help you succeed in romantic/sexual pursuits. Women. No one is obligated to dole out sex or relationships. Angry why? Being a virgin. there's prostitutes in legal areas to fix that. Women not doling you out sex. No woman is obligated to dole you out sex.* *Other than prostitutes in some cases as there's policies and returns etc.
CC12 Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I don't talk to anyone in public, yet I'm still creepy and dangerous because I haven't had a relationship lasting even a month. Rob, the person you're replying to here wasn't even talking to you. You're beginning to take this thread too personally. Maybe you should take a step back.
Woggle Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 Where are you getting this stuff? Nobody said that simply starting a conversation with someone is creepy. It is being implied. I can read between the lines.
ASG Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I won't be able to get laid not matter what I do. Even if I got rich it wouldn't be enough. Seriously, get help. With that attitude, you can be certain you're NEVER getting laid, EVER. But the thing is... it is STILL not our problem. And I don't appreciate you coming to this thread almost insulting us women just because you haven't been successful romantically/sexually. What you are doing is distilling rage and hate, aiming it at the wrong people.
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 It is being implied. I can read between the lines. To you. It's being implied to you. It's your implication. I highly doubt it's their implication.
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 It's always go to a prostitude who's aim is to take all of my money. You seem pretty focused on the whole virginity thing so I focused on a way to solve that. If a 42 year woman was a virgin both males and females would do everything they could to help her. Doubtful on doing everything they could. I think any help at all would depend on the woman. For a 42 year old male virgin, there are no answers. Plenty of forums, sites, and blogs anwsering questions and giving help to male virgins of various ages. Just males and females accusing me of feeling that women are obligated to sleep with me. ****ing liars. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was just stating that if you're angry at being a virgin there's prostitutes and if you're angry that women don't want o have sex with you they're not obligated to. To me rationalizing the reason for the anger tends to work wonders.
CC12 Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 It is being implied. I can read between the lines. I think you're either misinterpreting it, or you're purposely exaggerating it for the sake of having an argument. "I don't like being stared at" is not even anything close to "If you talk to me I will think you're creepy and harassing me."
CC12 Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 You are making things up. I wasn't talking to you, Rob. This is you, again, taking things too personally.
Woggle Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I think you're either misinterpreting it, or you're purposely exaggerating it for the sake of having an argument. "I don't like being stared at" is not even anything close to "If you talk to me I will think you're creepy and harassing me." Maybe I am but that is the feeling I am getting from it. I just wonder if I was harassing my wife when I first met her.
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 Maybe I am but that is the feeling I am getting from it. I just wonder if I was harassing my wife when I first met her. Why wonder? You can ask her and she'll tell you. I doubt she'll say yes you were harassing her.
CC12 Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I just wonder if I was harassing my wife when I first met her. If you really want an answer to this, why don't you ask your wife. I would guess her answer would be that she didn't feel harassed. I personally don't think simply walking up and talking to a woman is harassment. I think most would agree with that.
Necris Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing. If more men used porn to fulfill their sexual needs perhaps there would be far less whining by men about women not wanting them and fewer men expecting women to dole them out sex. Obviously men who want to have a relationship with a woman and complaining they can't get a relationship do not just want women for sex if that was the case jerking off into a sock every night or paying escorts and prostitutes would satisfy them, but it doesn't some guys want more.
Woggle Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I personally don't think simply walking up and talking to a woman is harassment. I think most would agree with that. I am not so sure.
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 Obviously men who want to have a relationship with a woman and complaining they can't get a relationship do not just want women for sex Do tell where in the following do you see me stating men complaining about not getting a relationship from a woman? I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing. If more men used porn to fulfill their sexual needs perhaps there would be far less whining by men about women not wanting them and fewer men expecting women to dole them out sex. The wanting could be for anything. If it's so obvious to you that this doesn't apply to men who want to have a relationship with women perhaps you wouldn't have assumed the wanting in my statement was for a relationship. I disagree that men complaining they can't get a relationship do not just want women for sex being the definitive as there are some men who want a relationship with a woman because they think it entails a steady sex supply who can't turn them down. I was discussing whining about others not wanting you & expecting others to dole you want you want in this case sex. As for your case of men complaining about not getting a relationship with women: There are plenty of men who want a relationship in the sense of wanting more than sex however that doesn't mean there isn't bitterness, hatred, resentment, and a sense of entitlement in some of them that differs from men upset women don't want them or men who expect women to dole out sex for them. Entitlement such as expecting a gal who fits their standards to overlook any of her standards that may rule him out because he's nice, deserves a chance, and/or thinks the reasons he'd be a good match for her outweigh her standards that rule him out so she should negate them. There's plenty of motives for wanting a relationship such as the many men who want a relationship with a woman and it's for the sake of their own confidence, self-esteem, and ego thinking a woman valdiates their existence and etc.
Quiet Storm Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) Yes, it can be scary. I developed early and had to deal with men staring at me before I even knew why. I also am well endowed in both the chest and booty department, but petite with a small waist, so it is something that I just deal with. It doesn't matter if I am totally covered up, my curves still show and I get looks. I'll never forget shortly after I'd had a baby, I was on a walk with the baby and struggling with the stroller and my bags. I had to cross the street and the light was flashing, so I started to run with the stroller. You would've thought I was on a beach walking around in a thong the way all the men stopped in their tracks to watch my boobs bounce as I ran across the street. One idiot even started clapping, like I had put on this show for his viewing pleasure. There I am trying to enjoy a walk with my new baby, and I have to deal with that crap. I do think many men don't understand how it makes a woman feel, and think we should be flattered because that's how they would feel if a woman was staring at him. It's hard for them to comprehend that we don't like being looked at. They think we just say that to be coy or something, and that we secretly love it, but just won't admit it. So I've just come to accept that walking out of the house alone, or with my kids, means that I will get stared at. It's annoying, but my reality. However, one way to deter unwanted attention is to get yourself a tall, big husband (or bf). It's so strange, because when I am walking with my 6'2" 250 lb husband, I don't get any looks! Imagine that! I guess having a tall man does have it's advantages. By why is that? It's like night and day. When I'm alone, I get the stares. When I'm with my husband, I don't. Is it because men won't stare at another man's woman out of respect for that man? If so, why is he respectful enough to alter his behavior for a man, but not for the woman? Or do you think it's because the men are just afraid of getting their butt kicked? Edited March 26, 2012 by Quiet Storm 1
serial muse Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I must say I have approached a ton of women and the only bad responses I ever got was when I wasn't even talking to a woman and when a woman dropped her cellphone and gave a huge attitude when I ran after her to give it to her. I must admit I felt like smashing it on the ground after that. I met my wife while she was sitting on a bench and I just went up and started a conversation. According to women here was I harrassing her or being creepy? Why aren't you hearing this? Approaching isn't what people are talking about. Approaching isn't staring. Staring is the point, Woggle. OK?
udolipixie Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 One idiot even started clapping, like I had put on this show for his viewing pleasure. I tend to think this is the mindset of many men that women exist to be their viewing pleasure. I do think many men don't understand how it makes a woman feel, and think we should be flattered because that's how they would feel if a woman was staring at him. It's hard for them to comprehend that we don't like being looked at. They think we just say that to be coy or something, and that we secretly love it, but just won't admit it. Perhaps it's due to how I often see men's ego and feelings about their sexuality being based on the woman's reaction. I think many men don't want to understand it as it may give a sense of rejection and blow to their ego as it's means not only is she not reciprocating his attraction she's disinterested and/or repelled by it. The mindset that women love male attention and always appreciate it would likely give a guy more self assurance in approaching as it'd entail that if she doesn't find him attractive she'll appreciate his attraction and enjoy it. However, one way to deter unwanted attention is to get yourself a tall, big husband (or bf). It's so strange, because when I am walking with my 6'2" 250 lb husband, I don't get any looks! I guess having a tall man does have it's advantages. By why is that? Perhaps because him being there is a sign that you're already owned and they don't want to aggravate the owner. Sort of like how many women experienced that saying "I have a boyfriend" is far more effective than "No" or "I'm not interested". Disinterest or refusal doesn't seem to be as effective as saying you have already been gotten. Is it because men won't stare at another man's woman out of respect for that man? I doubt it's from out of respect more like out of fear of his reaction. Men tend to pose far more of a risk to men than women do. If so, why is he respectful enough to alter his behavior for a man, but not for the woman? Perhaps. I think men tend to have disrespect for women as rather than the view of respect is earned so be neutral it's disrespect automatically for being female. Or do you think it's because the men are just afraid of getting their butt kicked? 1
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