somedude81 Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 This is something I just thought of. How many people actually know a woman that is ugly? This has nothing to do with being fat, in-fact, if she's fat that doesn't count because a face will change with the loss of weight. How many of them do you see around? To keep things fair, I'm only talking about women under 50 who do not have any disorders, drug problems or plastic surgery mishaps. Only one girl comes to mind for me. We were in the same campus club and she was a nice girl, but not cute at all. If it wasn't for her face, I'm sure she would have had no problems dating.
joystickd Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 They are common, but the thing is one person's ugly is another's beautiful.
Author somedude81 Posted March 25, 2012 Author Posted March 25, 2012 Surely there are some women that are considered universally unattractive, at leas to those of western culture.
joystickd Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Surely there are some women that are considered universally unattractive, at leas to those of western culture. Yeah. They are often the cockblocks for the ones you do want to talk to. i meant sometimes not often
jobaba Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 This is something I just thought of. How many people actually know a woman that is ugly? This has nothing to do with being fat, in-fact, if she's fat that doesn't count because a face will change with the loss of weight. How many of them do you see around? To keep things fair, I'm only talking about women under 50 who do not have any disorders, drug problems or plastic surgery mishaps. Only one girl comes to mind for me. We were in the same campus club and she was a nice girl, but not cute at all. If it wasn't for her face, I'm sure she would have had no problems dating. I'm not the right person to ask but... in terms of physically ugly, can't think of any off the top of my head. Ugly on the inside ... a plenty...
Dust Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Ah I know where this is going. You want to point out that pretty much every girl is good looking other then if their face is stretched out by fat... Why do you hate unattractive women so much. Why not focus on the women you do find attractive. I've seen women you could call "ugly" they do exist. One mans "butterface" is another mans "angel" face. You see what I'm saying here? Somedude you realize you've gone insane right? Wouldn't it be more entertaining to just face rejection and get a girl you think is pretty? I realize you have anxiety to the point of living in a paranoid world where you believe you're forced to be alone by chance and women but you arn't. I'm not going to say you can get a girl, but you can try. Try to overcome your anxiety. Do what it takes. Ugly is a matter of opinion. Its great if you think ugly girls don't exist. That only broadens your fish in the sea. I know you will now argue too many women are fat. That is their choice, or their problem, they don't exist to look good for you. There are plenty of women you see every day who do meet your standards so go, try my LS poster. Try your balls off. Seriously do that thing where you slam a girl against a wall and start kissing her. Try! 7
Author somedude81 Posted March 25, 2012 Author Posted March 25, 2012 I don't hate ugly girls. People often try to point out that men have a requirement of not wanting to date ugly girls (never mind the fact that women don't want ugly guys) The point of this thread is actually trying to see how common ugly girls are, and if not wanting to date them, actually matters.
jerbear Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 You know something somedude? I've learned that every woman can be beautiful! Someone who is beautiful to you could be ugly to someone else. I've gotten a close female friend of mine to go from tom boy to hot girl! It took a long time. 1) Started to build her confidence 2) Got her lingerie to make her feel beautiful psychologically (I bought some for her and chose some items) 3) Got her better clothes that match, color, boldness, styles, etc.. 4) Accentuate her features, like her eye lids, her cheeks, boobs, and her legs I did what I did because she was a childhood friend and she's bailed me out a few times. Emotionally as a friend when I was down. You can say she and I are lifelong friends. 2
Author somedude81 Posted March 25, 2012 Author Posted March 25, 2012 You know something somedude? I've learned that every woman can be beautiful! Someone who is beautiful to you could be ugly to someone else. I've gotten a close female friend of mine to go from tom boy to hot girl! It took a long time. 1) Started to build her confidence 2) Got her lingerie to make her feel beautiful psychologically (I bought some for her and chose some items) 3) Got her better clothes that match, color, boldness, styles, etc.. 4) Accentuate her features, like her eye lids, her cheeks, boobs, and her legs I did what I did because she was a childhood friend and she's bailed me out a few times. Emotionally as a friend when I was down. You can say she and I are lifelong friends. Eh, I'm not talking about the girl that needs to take off her glasses and do something with her hair and she'd be hot. The chick I was chasing for two years was that type. I'm talking about girls that have something off with their face and hair & makeup isn't going to help. The actual ugly girls, that guys don't want to date, if they exist at all.
jerbear Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Eh, I'm not talking about the girl that needs to take off her glasses and do something with her hair and she'd be hot. The chick I was chasing for two years was that type. I'm talking about girls that have something off with their face and hair & makeup isn't going to help. The actual ugly girls, that guys don't want to date, if they exist at all. We are human and quite frankly there are guys who would like her flaws but not view them that way. If those guys don't want to date her, then they are not for her. They did her a service by leaving her alone.
PlumPrincess Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 You need to go out and meet people. You're focusing way too much on women. Or in PUA terms, go and build on your social value. Your comments are sometimes funny and entertaining, but when you start threads like these, I get bored. 6
mixwell Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I've read a few threads now where it almost seems like you're trying to validate a reason to NOT talk to women and make excuses.. Just go out and if you see an attractive girl talk to her, the worst that can happen is rejection and who cares you'll be over it in 5 minutes and move on. You're totally psyching yourself out with female appearance.. 1
oaks Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 How many people actually know a woman that is ugly? I can't think of anyone I actually know who is ugly. Maybe I only pick attractive friends, so sorry to all the ugly girls out there. I see photos on dating sites of women who I think are ugly, but not really many (vs merely unattractive to me) and I'm sure someone will find them just yummy.
phineas Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I see where OP is going & I have to agree with him to a point. I've met very few women that i'd consider un-bangable if you take out the weight factor.
irin Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 you were mad when the girls on the other thread were talking about a mans hight. beauty is not on the outside no matter how much this shallow world makes it seem that way, that girl your describing sounds more attractive then you! stop calling people ugly! if they are Ugly then so are you!
Disenchantedly Yours Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I don't hate ugly girls. People often try to point out that men have a requirement of not wanting to date ugly girls (never mind the fact that women don't want ugly guys) The point of this thread is actually trying to see how common ugly girls are, and if not wanting to date them, actually matters. Actually, there was one man in my life that most would probably say wasn't attractive by society standards that I was totally attracted too and into emotionally. AND that I had really great sex with. I know a number of women that are attracted to to Mickey Rouke of all people.
LexiB Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Eh, I'm not talking about the girl that needs to take off her glasses and do something with her hair and she'd be hot. The chick I was chasing for two years was that type. I'm talking about girls that have something off with their face and hair & makeup isn't going to help. The actual ugly girls, that guys don't want to date, if they exist at all. Actually, the number of men who would fit this description - someone who's completely un-fixable short of plastic surgery - is quite low as well. It's rare I see a guy and just think "damn..:sick:" Most PEOPLE are at least marginally attractive or have the potential to be with non-surgical adjustments. So to answer your question, no, I don't think it matters I you choose to not date the teeny fraction of the population that's truly, physically hopeless. Edited March 25, 2012 by LexiB 2
Els Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I don't hate ugly girls. People often try to point out that men have a requirement of not wanting to date ugly girls (never mind the fact that women don't want ugly guys) The point of this thread is actually trying to see how common ugly girls are, and if not wanting to date them, actually matters. I don't know about 'other guys' - I'm sure there genuinely are guys whose only physical requirement for a girl is not 'repulsively ugly'. But if you would be honest with yourself, you'll find that your personal physical requirements are quite a far cry away from 'not ugly'.
Kamille Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I like this thread. It confirms a tidbit a knowledge that was very helpful to me the last time I was single (before this time, when I'm single but not on the market yet): 'when talking to a guy, assume he thinks you're cute'. And I don't mean that in a 'women have all the power' way (because that's a ridiculous statement), more in a 'flirt away ladies, flirt away'. To me it was actually a positive thing. Nice to be reminded of it. I should get back on the market. In the meantime, I'll just keep on-line flirting with Dust. 5
zengirl Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I don't know about 'other guys' - I'm sure there genuinely are guys whose only physical requirement for a girl is not 'repulsively ugly'. But if you would be honest with yourself, you'll find that your personal physical requirements are quite a far cry away from 'not ugly'. THIS. I could find many women who I consider 'not ugly' (and in many cases quite attractive) who would not fit SD's standards and ideals. As to the actual question: It's hard to say because it depends on what "ugly" is. I rarely see people (men or women) and think they're ugly without any potential per se. That does not mean they're anywhere near empirically attractive or attractive to me. So, it really depends on where you mean to draw that line. It's also going to depend on your geography, location (location not being city but more like the difference between a Wal-Mart and a hip restaurant, etc), and age range - 18 to 50 has a lot of variety. Money generally makes people more attractive---by which I mean not knowing they have money, but rather with money they are able to buy beauty products, nicer clothes, get beauty-related treatments more often, have better health, etc. This distinction between classes (particularly among women but growing among men) and looks is very notable where I live. Among the wealthy, even women over 50 all look okay-ish in many cases, though many do not get surgery to do so, though not likely by SoCal or South Beach or movie standards that suggest endless youth. It's just a matter of skincare and makeup and pride in one's appearance, which is very much a Southern woman's prerogative in certain socio-economic classes. And most people over 25 here and in the lower socio-economic class and even quite a few a bit younger don't look good at all. But I'm sure you could My Fair Lady some of them and make them look considerably better. Most women look best around 16-23. I would say most girls that age who are not overweight and do not have skin problems, etc, are at least moderately attractive in that age range or could be with proper clothes, makeup, etc. Women do have more tools than men in the makeup department, but then they are more carefully scrutinized for such flaws than men have, so that's a double-edged sword. A lot of women look good much longer, but I feel like a lot of women don't. I certainly see plenty of ugly people in Wal-Mart and plenty of them are not obese or probably statistically overweight, though they're not generally "fit." A woman who doesn't take care of their overall appearance is not likely to pursue fitness either. I see where OP is going & I have to agree with him to a point. I've met very few women that i'd consider un-bangable if you take out the weight factor. Do you make a distinction between un-bangable and not attractive enough for a relationship? (I ask because other posters have suggested some men do and because of the way you've phrased it -- sincere question, I honestly have no idea).
xxoo Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Ugly girls are just as uncommon as ugly guys. Women tend to be more discriminating about sex partners, and "not ugly" isn't compelling enough for us to get naked with someone. 2
Els Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 Ugly girls are just as uncommon as ugly guys. Agreed. Women tend to be more discriminating about sex partners, and "not ugly" isn't compelling enough for us to get naked with someone. Sex partners, yes - relationship partners, perhaps equally so? Regardless, I think the question was solely about the physical appearance department, and not anything else. For example, I think 'not ugly' is honestly sufficient for me in the physical appearance department, but my requirements in other aspects are perhaps more stringent than the norm. So 'not ugly' certainly isn't enough, but it is enough in the looks department. If that makes sense. And ah, yes, I forgot to respond to the OP's question, my bad. I do know a few (3, I think) girls who are 'ugly', or at least 'incredibly difficult to make pretty'. I am sure sufficient amounts of plastic surgery would alter their faces enough to make them 'pretty', but otherwise they do have the unfortunate lot of being born with quite unsightly features. One of them, forgive me for saying so, has the features reminiscient of a 60-year-old despite working out everyday, having a slim body and good skin. I don't think she's ever had a man ask her out. Which is really a pity, because she's one of the most good-hearted, kind, understanding, and helpful people I know. She genuinely goes out of her way to help people and is willing to even be nice to the people that are incredibly nasty, pulls more than her weight in everything and just gives without expecting to receive in return. So I think it's the guys' loss, for not wanting her. If I was single and a man, I think I would be able to look past her face to the golden heart beneath - I hope so, at least. 1
Black Jack Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 I'm currently with an "ugly girl." She was one of those women who I thought were unattractive to me at first sight, but as I got to know her and see her change, she's beautiful now. 4
Els Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 THIS. I could find many women who I consider 'not ugly' (and in many cases quite attractive) who would not fit SD's standards and ideals. Yeah, most Asian models are A-B cups anyway. Most women look best around 16-23. I would say most girls that age who are not overweight and do not have skin problems, etc, are at least moderately attractive in that age range or could be with proper clothes, makeup, etc. Aww, this makes me feel a little sad. I do think that the innate skin disease that I suffer from, does preclude me from being physically attractive. I suppose that's why I have sympathy for the others who were equally precluded from birth. Interestingly, the guys whom I've been with did not seem to mind. Perhaps I was very lucky to land guys who aren't easily squicked, or are less superficial. Or perhaps it matters less than us women think it does, to men? I don't know.
xxoo Posted March 25, 2012 Posted March 25, 2012 So 'not ugly' certainly isn't enough, but it is enough in the looks department. If that makes sense. Makes sense, and I agree. Aww, this makes me feel a little sad. I do think that the innate skin disease that I suffer from, does preclude me from being physically attractive. I suppose that's why I have sympathy for the others who were equally precluded from birth. Interestingly, the guys whom I've been with did not seem to mind. Perhaps I was very lucky to land guys who aren't easily squicked, or are less superficial. Or perhaps it matters less than us women think it does, to men? I don't know. I think it matters a who lot less once love becomes a factor.
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