Author Jane2011 Posted March 23, 2012 Author Posted March 23, 2012 I've known a couple who did that. Her last name was Lee, and his was Powell. They changed their last names to Leepow. 1
mesmerized Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 So let me get this straight. In your culture, you stone women to death for engaging in premarital sex but at least you don't force them to change their names, right? Sounds very progressive! Oh, And premarital sex doesn't have stoning punishment in islamic laws. I don't think it has any particular punishment to be honest. The stoning is for men and women who engage in adultry! Not that I support it or I believe in Islam at all. I bet you would love to kill women for cheating on you tho lol Fragile ego and all. 1
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I never said my culture is "progressive", nor did I say I follow my culture wholeheartedly. I just said we do not do this. Also, stoning women to death is NOT supported by the culture or people. It's something that the dictator government imposes on people. Of course ignorant people like you would never know that. Actually, stoning women for adultery is supported by islam, and islam is a part of your culture. You are the ignorant one.
zengirl Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I have never understood the argument that a woman's name is "just" her father's name, though it's a popular argument so clearly it makes sense to some people. An adult woman has grown up using that name to sign her homework with, to sign legal documents, etc. It's the name on her birth certificate, driver's license, graduation certificates, job history. If she wants to change it, that's fine, but I have a hard time imagining how a name could be any more hers than that. I suppose. When I said it, it's because I'd literally thought of changing it 1,000 times. When I was a teen, I wanted to take my stepfather's name, but the only way my father would allow it is if my mother would let him sign away his rights/stop paying support, so I changed my mind (she actually laid those facts out and gave me the choice, because I was going to get the support money in college -- it wasn't much, but it helped -- since I started college as a minor). After that, I meant to change it, but never got around to it. So, to me, it literally WAS my father's name. I'm sure everyone's feelings aren't mine, but when I used that phrase (I think I'm the only one in this thread who has), I really, really meant it that way. I like some of my family on my Dad's side, so I don't hate my former last name, but I by no means felt any kind of attachment to it. When I was with one person in particular and I still thought that I might want to get married, we talked about this issue. And we had decided to create a new name, likely from a hybrid of our last names, and just use that. I favor that idea. That way, BOTH parties can express their commitment and love by sacrificing their name, instead of just one. This is a cute idea. If I wanted to keep my name at all, I might've done this. And hubby probably would've been fine with it, so long as I got all the paperwork ready and filed -- he hates paperwork.
mesmerized Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Actually, stoning women for adultery is supported by islam, and islam is a part of your culture. You are the ignorant one. Oh yeah? So you know Persian people better than I do? We're not all about "Islam" despite what media tells you. Man you really ARE dumb. At least don't talk about **** you don't know about. 1
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 When I was a teen, I wanted to take my stepfather's name, but the only way my father would allow it is if my mother would let him sign away his rights/stop paying support, so I changed my mind (she actually laid those facts out and gave me the choice, because I was going to get the support money in college -- it wasn't much, but it helped -- since I started college as a minor). So money was more important than principle? Color me surprised.
zengirl Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 So money was more important than principle? Color me surprised. No, principle was more important. My father (an alcoholic who had spent the first college fund my mother started) didn't deserve to get out of paying that money, and my mother and I both agreed on that. I don't hate my Dad - just talked to him today - but he was a ****ty father during that time.
veggirl Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I find the name thing to be an odd thing to get really worked up about. It's strange how upset people get with others view points on this, on both sides. I would most likely take my husbands last name if I got married. I really do like my last name, but agree with those who think a shared last name is another way to show committment. I have a plain, common last name. It's not gonna die out if my sisters and I don't use it Although, if hypothetical future husband had a really goofy sounding last name...I'd keep mine Perhaps he'd happily take mine on. Or we'd come up with something totally new.
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Oh yeah? So you know Persian people better than I do? We're not all about "Islam" despite what media tells you. Man you really ARE dumb. At least don't talk about **** you don't know about. The city where I live had a HUGE persian diaspora. I probably know more persians than you do. The persians who live in North America are the elite that ran away when the shah was deposed in 1979. They don't represent the average iranian any more than than the Wall Street bankers represent the average american. You are the one who is dumb.
Star Gazer Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I suspect when I marry, my name will initially change from Star Gazer to Star Gazer Smith, and eventually just Star Smith. Professionally, I think I'll need the transition period. This assumes, however, that the name is something tolerable, like Smith. If it's Whaddwhoweeweewaahwaaahzulu, then I'll probably just stick with Star Gazer.
mesmerized Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 The city where I live had a HUGE persian diaspora. I probably know more persians than you do. The persians who live in North America are the elite that ran away when the shah was deposed in 1979. They don't represent the average iranian any more than than the Wall Street bankers represent the average american. You are the one who is dumb. LOL, seriously stop talking! I grew up there. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The average persian who lives in Iran does not support stoning, nor having multiple wives, nor a lot of other violent islamic rules. 2
kaylan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) So let me get this straight. In your culture, you stone women to death for engaging in premarital sex but at least you don't force them to change their names, right? Sounds very progressive! Ignorant fool. Stoning is cultural (depending of region of the world), not religious. I get sick of Islamaphobic losers such as yourself. And even if the Koran advocated stoning, its not like other religions Holy books dont have outdated crap in there that is subject to modern interpretation. Actually, stoning women for adultery is supported by islam, and islam is a part of your culture. You are the ignorant one. I didnt know you were an Islamic scholar The city where I live had a HUGE persian diaspora. I probably know more persians than you do. The persians who live in North America are the elite that ran away when the shah was deposed in 1979. They don't represent the average iranian any more than than the Wall Street bankers represent the average american. You are the one who is dumb. Lmao when stupid Westerners (namely Americans) think they know more about someones elses culture just because they have friends from that culture. Arrogant noob. Edited March 23, 2012 by kaylan 1
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Ignorant fool. Stoning is cultural (depending of region of the world), not religious. I get sick of Islamaphobic losers such as yourself. And even if the Koran advocated stoning, its not like other religions Holy books dont have outdated crap in there that is subject to modern interpretation. I didnt know you were an Islamic scholar You have repeatedly demonstrated that you've got about as much intelligence as the guy depicted in your avatar. When I need an opinion on hip hop music, I'll make sure to ask you. Until then, go to your corner and stay quiet. This is an adult conversation.
kaylan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 You have repeatedly demonstrated that you've got about as much intelligence as the guy depicted in your avatar. When I need an opinion on hip hop music, I'll make sure to ask you. Until then, go to your corner and stay quiet. This is an adult conversation. Funny how you talk about intelligence when you are the one ignorantly throwing around "information" about others' cultures of which you know NOTHING about. Smart guy you are And again you are making assumptions about other people like an arrogant fool. I hardly listen to hip hop you numbskull. So how about you take your own advice and get the hell out of here with your ignorant opinions regarding Islam and Persians. 2
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 LOL, seriously stop talking! I grew up there. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The average persian who lives in Iran does not support stoning, nor having multiple wives, nor a lot of other violent islamic rules. Don't give me that crap. Just because you are from Iran does not automatically mean that your opinion is more valid. Not all iranians are radical islmaists, to be sure, but a large number of them are. Otherwise, the ayatolahs would not be able to stay in power for over 30 years.
kaylan Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Don't give me that crap. Just because you are from Iran does not automatically mean that your opinion is more valid. Not all iranians are radical islmaists, to be sure, but a large number of them are. Otherwise, the ayatolahs would not be able to stay in power for over 30 years. Are you fvking daft? Are you simply ignoring the stifled uprising from a couple of years ago in Iran! MOST IRANIANS DONT AGREE WITH THE WAY THEIR GOVERNMENT RUNS THE COUNTRY AND MAKES THEM LOOK TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. And NO!...a large number of Iranians are not radical islamists. You are a freaking clown dude. Next youre going to tell me youre persian friends agree with you, when I know thats a lie. The supreme leader stays in power by stifling the voice of the people. Its called an iron fist. Its not like the people agree with every damn thing he says and does. 4
mesmerized Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Don't give me that crap. Just because you are from Iran does not automatically mean that your opinion is more valid. Not all iranians are radical islmaists, to be sure, but a large number of them are. Otherwise, the ayatolahs would not be able to stay in power for over 30 years. OMG, your ignorance is UN_BELIEVABLE. Do you know ANYTHING about Iran's politics and what's going on there at the moment? Or even in the past few years? or even during revolution AT ALL???? And I'm not surprised. You're way too backwards to have a clue what you are talking about. You're too busy worrying about stupid things that hurt your ego to get politically educated. If you think I'm gonna make a political discussion with you here, you're wrong. But take your head out of your ass and you'll see that you truly don't know any thing other than your own **** (pun intended!). 3
threebyfate Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Women: if/when you get married (if you have the desire to), do you have any intention of taking your husband's last name? Would you just as soon keep yours as long as he doesn't mind? First marriage I wanted to keep my name but changed it to please him. What a hassle changing it back. Second marriage, didn't change my name even though he would have preferred it but he also understood since this too was his second marriage. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you think it's old-fashioned now for a woman to change her name? Just a meaningless tradition where instead of a silly name, commitment is far more relevant.
mesmerized Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 And NO!...a large number of Iranians are not radical islamists. You are a freaking clown dude. Next youre going to tell me youre persian friends agree with you, when I know thats a lie. :laugh: I would love for him to find an Iranian who agrees with him. But what do we iranians know? it's not like we lived outside of our country and had some Persian friends.
GivenUp0083 Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Men: Would you not marry a woman who had no plans to take your last name? I don't like to make absolute statements like "I'll never do this"....but I would be a little upset if the woman I chose to marry wouldn't take on my last name. I don't know why, I guess it comes down to me wanting someone who is very loyal, and not taking my last name is sign that maybe she isn't taking the marriage seriously.
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 OMG, your ignorance is UN_BELIEVABLE. Do you know ANYTHING about Iran's politics and what's going on there at the moment? Or even in the past few years? or even during revolution AT ALL???? And I'm not surprised. You're way too backwards to have a clue what you are talking about. You're too busy worrying about stupid things that hurt your ego to get politically educated. If you think I'm gonna make a political discussion with you here, you're wrong. But take your head out of your ass and you'll see that you truly don't know any thing other than your own **** (pun intended!). All you can do is say "OMG" and "you are so stupid!!!" Do you imagine yourself as some sort of persian Paris Hilton? Your insults are not even insulting...it's like being called names by a 6 year old girl. And when you try to deny what is common knowledge, you sound about as credible as Ahmadinejad when he says that Iran is developing nukes for "peaceful purposes". Stoning in Iran:
Feelsgoodman Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 If you think I'm gonna make a political discussion with you here, you're wrong. But take your head out of your ass and you'll see that you truly don't know any thing other than your own **** (pun intended!). You seem to know quite a bit about having your head up your ass...which explains why you have such a dirty mouth (pun intended!) In Iran, you'd probably get stoned for that too Look, I know your probably feel some sort of misguided "national pride" (despite being a refugee from your own country), but trying to deny that Iranian culture is extremely backwards is like trying to deny that most Americans are fat. It is a fact of life. And speaking of stonings, most of them occur not in Teheran where the Aytolahs rule with an "iron fist", as our friend Lil Wayne stated, but in rural areas far away from the central government. Here's an article you should read to learn a thing or two about your own culture: Stoning in Iran: Brutality pure and simple | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian
mesmerized Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) All you can do is say "OMG" and "you are so stupid!!!" Do you imagine yourself as some sort of persian Paris Hilton? Your insults are not even insulting...it's like being called names by a 6 year old girl. And when you try to deny what is common knowledge, you sound about as credible as Ahmadinejad when he says that Iran is developing nukes for "peaceful purposes". Stoning in Iran: I love how you pick and choose how to respond to what we post. Yet you just post a video that says stoning happens in Iran. I would use the dear youtube to learn more about the relationship between iran's people and government and what truly is going on there. Where did I ever say it does not happen????You have the ability to read, right? I said average Iranian does NOT support stoning. You seem to know quite a bit about having your head up your ass...which explains why you have such a dirty mouth (pun intended!) In Iran, you'd probably get stoned for that too Look, I know your probably feel some sort of misguided "national pride" (despite being a refugee from your own country), but trying to deny that Iranian culture is extremely backwards is like trying to deny that most Americans are fat. It is a fact of life. And speaking of stonings, most of them occur not in Teheran where the Aytolahs rule with an "iron fist", as our friend Lil Wayne stated, but in rural areas far away from the central government. Here's an article you should read to learn a thing or two about your own culture: Stoning in Iran: Brutality pure and simple | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian No national pride here and I'm NOT a refugee. Another assumption instead of fact, that seems to be what all your knowledge is about. oh boy. look who is talking about being backwards LOL, truly hilarious. Who was bashing feminism and saying a woman even raising the topic of changing names is disrespecting men? And for your information, IRON FIST is MUCH stronger in smaller cities since they can easily track everything and suppress people. Edited March 23, 2012 by mesmerized 1
setsenia Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Witness feminist brainwashing in action. Personally, I would rethink marrying a woman for even raising this question. Only a feminist would think this way and feminists are incapable of true love and commitment. Even such a symbolic 'sacrifice' as taking your husband's name is too much for them. So....someone who thinks men and women should be treated as equals and stands up for women's rights means she is incapable of true love and commitment? How so? I know plenty of feminists in very long term marriages who are very in love with their husband. Marriages can be loveless, name change or not. 2
Negative Nancy Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Men don't even carry the financial burden in families anymore. Why exactly should one follow traditions when nothing else is traditional?? that was exactly my point. if a man wants the "traditional" name change, he better be traditional in every other aspect as well. but most men just want to have their cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. 2
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