KathyM Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 You're clueless. I have lots of experience. Bad girls go for me. Good girls go for me. Tall, short, thin or fat go for me. Girls like a man who knows what hes doing! I'd say you are clueless about what is really important to women. Women of substance want a guy who treats them well outside of the bedroom, one who has something going for him that doesn't involve just his sexual skills, a man of quality and character. If the guy is a great guy with a lot of qualities, there are a lot of women who would go for that guy, regardless of his inexperience. Girls may like if a guy is a good lover, but that is a skill that can be learned, and if the guy is a quality guy, there's plenty of women willing to be patient with the learning process. You act like sex is all women are interested in in a man.
Jeremy87 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 I'd say you are clueless about what is really important to women. Women of substance want a guy who treats them well outside of the bedroom, one who has something going for him that doesn't involve just his sexual skills, a man of quality and character. If the guy is a great guy with a lot of qualities, there are a lot of women who would go for that guy, regardless of his inexperience. Girls may like if a guy is a good lover, but that is a skill that can be learned, and if the guy is a quality guy, there's plenty of women willing to be patient with the learning process. You act like sex is all women are interested in in a man. A lot of wome would go for him in the FRIEND ZONE. I don't do FRIEND ZONES. Women tell me they're not all about sex but that doesn't stop them from doing it within hours of meeting them. Good proper women, not just loose women. Get with reality.
KathyM Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 A lot of wome would go for him in the FRIEND ZONE. I don't do FRIEND ZONES. Women tell me they're not all about sex but that doesn't stop them from doing it within hours of meeting them. Good proper women, not just loose women. Get with reality. Last I heard, there is more to a man than his penis. Women want a quality bf. Someone who is actually bf material. Sexual ability is a skill that can be learned. If a guy has a lot of other qualities, you can be sure that woman would want him, regardless of his temporary inexperience.
Jeremy87 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Last I heard, there is more to a man than his penis. Women want a quality bf. Someone who is actually bf material. Sexual ability is a skill that can be learned. If a guy has a lot of other qualities, you can be sure that woman would want him, regardless of his temporary inexperience. Last you HEARD. Any man who believes the worlds of a women matches the actions of a woman hasn't been with a woman. Women want a quality bf and an essential component of quality bf is having the skills. Ladies want men who lead. they don't like being the teachers in bed. Inexperienced men tend to stay inexperienced. Experienced men get what they want. Im experienced.
somedude81 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Last I heard, there is more to a man than his penis. Women want a quality bf. Someone who is actually bf material. Sexual ability is a skill that can be learned. If a guy has a lot of other qualities, you can be sure that woman would want him, regardless of his temporary inexperience. The problem with that though, is that if the guy doesn't have any experience, he's not going to know how to communicate with the woman in a manner that is going to get her to see him as more than a friend. That's the reason the friendzone BS even happens. Somehow the guy has to figure out how to get things started. And for some, that might as well be impossible.
KathyM Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Last you HEARD. Any man who believes the worlds of a women matches the actions of a woman hasn't been with a woman. Women want a quality bf and an essential component of quality bf is having the skills. Ladies want men who lead. they don't like being the teachers in bed. Inexperienced men tend to stay inexperienced. Experienced men get what they want. Im experienced. Skills can be learned. Even the best of lovers started out as inexperienced, even you. Some women gave you a chance when you were inexperienced, did they not? Believe it or not, women value a lot of other things in a man, and they are willing to give a sexually inexperienced guy a chance if he has other things going for him. Some women even prefer a guy that has not taken sex too casually. In fact, I know a woman who was very sexually experienced, having married and dated multiple people, and she dated some amazing lovers, and she ended up marrying a guy who was sexually inexperienced because he was such a great guy in every other respect. She reports that their sex life is now great, and she is extremely happy. She didn't mind teaching the guy a few things.
Dust Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 The problem with that though, is that if the guy doesn't have any experience, he's not going to know how to communicate with the woman in a manner that is going to get her to see him as more than a friend. That's the reason the friendzone BS even happens. Somehow the guy has to figure out how to get things started. And for some, that might as well be impossible. You could use a plastic blow up doll as your practice girl. Take her out dinner, drive around with her, talk, have sex. Then you'll be ready for the real thing.
somedude81 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 You could use a plastic blow up doll as your practice girl. Take her out dinner, drive around with her, talk, have sex. Then you'll be ready for the real thing. I don't think a plastic doll would be that useful. Though last I heard Japan has some sex robots coming out. Some even have vacuum suction action.
KathyM Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 The problem with that though, is that if the guy doesn't have any experience, he's not going to know how to communicate with the woman in a manner that is going to get her to see him as more than a friend. That's the reason the friendzone BS even happens. Somehow the guy has to figure out how to get things started. And for some, that might as well be impossible. You need to learn how to flirt with women, Somedude. You need to learn how to be charming, and pursue women. This starting out as friends and hoping it will turn into more is not a good plan. They need to see you as bf material from the start, and you need to learn how to charm and romance a woman from the start, not be like a brother or a friend. Being charming, romantic and flirtatious are skills you can learn. And you don't have to practice them on someone first in order to learn how it's done.
Taramere Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Last I heard, there is more to a man than his penis. Women want a quality bf. Someone who is actually bf material. Sexual ability is a skill that can be learned. If a guy has a lot of other qualities, you can be sure that woman would want him, regardless of his temporary inexperience. I want to agree with this. I think, though, that if you have a great sexual chemistry with somebody that can be very difficult to walk away from. A good sex life with somebody is a strong bonding factor. It tends to goes along with other "click" factors like feeling physically very comfortable with somebody even when you're not having sex, finding them funny (an aphrodisiac) and getting an emotional rush from them. However it can also result in you exaggerating their positive qualities in your own mind....and I think it can also result in a bit of an emotional rollercoaster of a relationship, because any situation where you're getting highs (eg from great sex) is probably also going to result in dips that the relationship might not be strong or meaningful enough to support. I'm not saying that to negate the importance (in a long term relationship) of the factors you're bringing up. I think you're right, that these are qualities women will want in a life partner...but I also think that we will often tend to unconsciously give a man that bit more leeway if, to put it bluntly, he's giving us a lot of orgasms. Maybe attribute to him better qualities than he has (honour, nobility etc) because we want to see those things...and then feel intensely disappointed when the facts aren't in line with the fantasy. It's not healthy of course...but as demonstrated time and time again on this board, it's a situation that a lot of women will encounter at some point in their lives. When the libido and the more slushily sentimental aspects of the heart are working in tandem, you have those situations described so frequently on this board. What, of course, PUA artists are advising eachother on is how to get a woman into that mode - which isn't good for her psychologically, but will make her a lot easier to play. Probably rather than arguing that it's not true, and that sensible/quality women want X, Y and Z rather than A, B and C, it would be helpful to admit that while a PUA armed with a bunch of cheesy tactics is no more likely to provoke sexual infatuation in a woman than an annoying salesman is to sell double glazing to the person he cold-called, there is truth in some of the perceptions about how women behave when they are sexually infatuated. Falling prey to that sexual infatuation is, of course, one of the main things that will have a woman labelled as "low quality". Back in Victorian times, a prostitute was basically any woman who had allowed herself to become sexually infatuated with a man. Sexual infatuation was the thing that so often "destroyed" women...and I think elements of that prevail to this day. Phrases like "high quality" and "low quality" get thrown out as though people are products rather than evolving human beings who often make mistakes. So it's not surprising that there's an extreme reluctance, amongst women, to admit "I became sexually infatuated with a man, and it resulted in me making stupid choices and being very easily deceived by somebody who wasn't anything like the wonderful human being I perceived him - in my glaikit state of high libido and Hollywood sentimentality - as being." If a woman who is in that glaikit mode is used by a man who has no particular feelings for her but is feigning feelings in order to feed her romanticising, then that probably falls into the "practice girl" category. I don't know how many men actually use women in such a calculating fashion, but it's certainly something a lot of men talk about doing when they're in predominantly male situations that involve a lot of bravado and bluster. And, of course, somebody who's a full blown narcissist would engage in such behaviour without any compunction. The ideal relationships would, of course, those that can contain elements of both sexual infatuation (to keep things hot) and an intense commitment on both sides (above and beyond that which you'd find in a normal friendship) to the other person's happiness and wellbeing....along the lines you describe. Edited March 22, 2012 by Taramere 1
thatone Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) but the ideal world does not exist. the fact is women want sex just as much as men do, they just don't admit to it because of the stigma that western society places on women having sex to begin with. these situations play out on this forum just as they do in real life, if you take people at their word. young inexperienced men who do what Kathy suggests wind up alone and frustrated. men who ignore what Kathy suggests and pursue women sexually have no trouble whatsoever getting sex, albeit just as much trouble finding relationships. so all this tells us is that the single world is full of people who are not relationship material. but we knew that, that's why those people are single all of the time. but the fact is there's no trophy for those men who fail to get any form of female companionship due to the poor advice they got about chasing a relationship and not getting sex from women they do get dates with. no one cares. even women who recommend such behavior to those men don't want that, they just say they do because it sounds good to them due to their own personal situation for whatever reason, and fits with that western society stereotype of women, regardless of how untrue that stereotype is. so much better advice for those men is to pursue sex when they want to and they'll probably get it a lot more often, and stop trying to behave like they have been told that women behave. because if women wanted women they'd all go gay, they wouldn't need men. Edited March 22, 2012 by thatone 3
Jeremy87 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Skills can be learned. Even the best of lovers started out as inexperienced, even you. Some women gave you a chance when you were inexperienced, did they not? Believe it or not, women value a lot of other things in a man, and they are willing to give a sexually inexperienced guy a chance if he has other things going for him. Some women even prefer a guy that has not taken sex too casually. In fact, I know a woman who was very sexually experienced, having married and dated multiple people, and she dated some amazing lovers, and she ended up marrying a guy who was sexually inexperienced because he was such a great guy in every other respect. She reports that their sex life is now great, and she is extremely happy. She didn't mind teaching the guy a few things. most of the women who say skills can be learned aren't single or are busy ****ing guys like me with skills. I know a 28 year old guy with little experience. Girls are frienldy to him ON THE SURFACE but they'd eat their own blood before having sex with him.
Jeremy87 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 but the ideal world does not exist. the fact is women want sex just as much as men do, they just don't admit to it because of the stigma that western society places on women having sex to begin with. these situations play out on this forum just as they do in real life, if you take people at their word. young inexperienced men who do what Kathy suggests wind up alone and frustrated. men who ignore what Kathy suggests and pursue women sexually have no trouble whatsoever getting sex, albeit just as much trouble finding relationships. so all this tells us is that the single world is full of people who are not relationship material. but we knew that, that's why those people are single all of the time. but the fact is there's no trophy for those men who fail to get any form of female companionship due to the poor advice they got about chasing a relationship and not getting sex from women they do get dates with. no one cares. even women who recommend such behavior to those men don't want that, they just say they do because it sounds good to them due to their own personal situation for whatever reason, and fits with that western society stereotype of women, regardless of how untrue that stereotype is. so much better advice for those men is to pursue sex when they want to and they'll probably get it a lot more often, and stop trying to behave like they have been told that women behave. because if women wanted women they'd all go gay, they wouldn't need men. couldn't have said it better myself. this belongs in the faqs.
somedude81 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) I think you're right, that these are qualities women will want in a life partner...but I also think that we will often tend to unconsciously give a man that bit more leeway if, to put it bluntly, he's giving us a lot of orgasms. Maybe attribute to him better qualities than he has (honour, nobility etc) because we want to see those things...and then feel intensely disappointed when the facts aren't in line with the fantasy. It's not healthy of course...but as demonstrated time and time again on this board, it's a situation that a lot of women will encounter at some point in their lives. When the libido and the more slushily sentimental aspects of the heart are working in tandem, you have those situations described so frequently on this board. What, of course, PUA artists are advising eachother on is how to get a woman into that mode - which isn't good for her psychologically, but will make her a lot easier to play. So basically, get a woman to have sex with you and she's yours. It's funny how I used to think that sex was the end goal. But now I realize that it's only the beginning. I tried playing this out in my head, "if I could sleep with x girl then she would get into a relationship with me." And that doesn't make any sense at all. First of all, isn't that how many women see relationships. Sleep with the guy and maybe he'll want a relationship? And then, it's not like girls are actually offering me sex. If sex is needed to make her want a relationship, then how the hell are you supposed to sleep with her in the first place?! Edited March 22, 2012 by somedude81
KathyM Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 I want to agree with this. I think, though, that if you have a great sexual chemistry with somebody that can be very difficult to walk away from. A good sex life with somebody is a strong bonding factor. It tends to goes along with other "click" factors like feeling physically very comfortable with somebody even when you're not having sex, finding them funny (an aphrodisiac) and getting an emotional rush from them. However it can also result in you exaggerating their positive qualities in your own mind....and I think it can also result in a bit of an emotional rollercoaster of a relationship, because any situation where you're getting highs (eg from great sex) is probably also going to result in dips that the relationship might not be strong or meaningful enough to support. I'm not saying that to negate the importance (in a long term relationship) of the factors you're bringing up. I think you're right, that these are qualities women will want in a life partner...but I also think that we will often tend to unconsciously give a man that bit more leeway if, to put it bluntly, he's giving us a lot of orgasms. Maybe attribute to him better qualities than he has (honour, nobility etc) because we want to see those things...and then feel intensely disappointed when the facts aren't in line with the fantasy. It's not healthy of course...but as demonstrated time and time again on this board, it's a situation that a lot of women will encounter at some point in their lives. When the libido and the more slushily sentimental aspects of the heart are working in tandem, you have those situations described so frequently on this board. What, of course, PUA artists are advising eachother on is how to get a woman into that mode - which isn't good for her psychologically, but will make her a lot easier to play. Probably rather than arguing that it's not true, and that sensible/quality women want X, Y and Z rather than A, B and C, it would be helpful to admit that while a PUA armed with a bunch of cheesy tactics is no more likely to provoke sexual infatuation in a woman than an annoying salesman is to sell double glazing to the person he cold-called, there is truth in some of the perceptions about how women behave when they are sexually infatuated. Falling prey to that sexual infatuation is, of course, one of the main things that will have a woman labelled as "low quality". Back in Victorian times, a prostitute was basically any woman who had allowed herself to become sexually infatuated with a man. Sexual infatuation was the thing that so often "destroyed" women...and I think elements of that prevail to this day. Phrases like "high quality" and "low quality" get thrown out as though people are products rather than evolving human beings who often make mistakes. So it's not surprising that there's an extreme reluctance, amongst women, to admit "I became sexually infatuated with a man, and it resulted in me making stupid choices and being very easily deceived by somebody who wasn't anything like the wonderful human being I perceived him - in my glaikit state of high libido and Hollywood sentimentality - as being." If a woman who is in that glaikit mode is used by a man who has no particular feelings for her but is feigning feelings in order to feed her romanticising, then that probably falls into the "practice girl" category. I don't know how many men actually use women in such a calculating fashion, but it's certainly something a lot of men talk about doing when they're in predominantly male situations that involve a lot of bravado and bluster. And, of course, somebody who's a full blown narcissist would engage in such behaviour without any compunction. The ideal relationships would, of course, those that can contain elements of both sexual infatuation (to keep things hot) and an intense commitment on both sides (above and beyond that which you'd find in a normal friendship) to the other person's happiness and wellbeing....along the lines you describe. Hmm. Well, the point I'm trying to make is just that women look for many qualities in a man, and if a guy has other things going for him, he's going to be able to get that girl, regardless of his sexual inexperience. Being a man of character is far more important to women who are looking for bf material than whether he is sexually experienced or not. A man who used women (either by paying them or misleading them) is not a man of character. High quality women want a man of character. I'd say the ideal relationship is one where people are a match on many levels, and have taken the time to determine if that person has the qualities desired before bringing sex into it, which clouds a person's judgement, as you said.
Emilia Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 I'd say you are clueless about what is really important to women. Women of substance want a guy who treats them well outside of the bedroom, one who has something going for him that doesn't involve just his sexual skills, a man of quality and character. If the guy is a great guy with a lot of qualities, there are a lot of women who would go for that guy, regardless of his inexperience. Girls may like if a guy is a good lover, but that is a skill that can be learned, and if the guy is a quality guy, there's plenty of women willing to be patient with the learning process. You act like sex is all women are interested in in a man. ... then he is probably not inexperienced sexually (apologies OP and I know your reasons are different from most)
Emilia Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Hmm. Well, the point I'm trying to make is just that women look for many qualities in a man, and if a guy has other things going for him, he's going to be able to get that girl, regardless of his sexual inexperience. Being a man of character is far more important to women who are looking for bf material than whether he is sexually experienced or not. A man who used women (either by paying them or misleading them) is not a man of character. High quality women want a man of character. I'd say the ideal relationship is one where people are a match on many levels, and have taken the time to determine if that person has the qualities desired before bringing sex into it, which clouds a person's judgement, as you said. Actually a lot of girls/women couldn't tell quality if it hit them in the face - as you can tell from the countless 'he is a douchebag' posts here in the LS
Author ThaWholigan Posted March 22, 2012 Author Posted March 22, 2012 but the ideal world does not exist. the fact is women want sex just as much as men do, they just don't admit to it because of the stigma that western society places on women having sex to begin with. these situations play out on this forum just as they do in real life, if you take people at their word. young inexperienced men who do what Kathy suggests wind up alone and frustrated. men who ignore what Kathy suggests and pursue women sexually have no trouble whatsoever getting sex, albeit just as much trouble finding relationships. so all this tells us is that the single world is full of people who are not relationship material. but we knew that, that's why those people are single all of the time. but the fact is there's no trophy for those men who fail to get any form of female companionship due to the poor advice they got about chasing a relationship and not getting sex from women they do get dates with. no one cares. even women who recommend such behavior to those men don't want that, they just say they do because it sounds good to them due to their own personal situation for whatever reason, and fits with that western society stereotype of women, regardless of how untrue that stereotype is. so much better advice for those men is to pursue sex when they want to and they'll probably get it a lot more often, and stop trying to behave like they have been told that women behave. because if women wanted women they'd all go gay, they wouldn't need men. I must say this echoes what I feel about this subject wholly.
KathyM Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 ... then he is probably not inexperienced sexually (apologies OP and I know your reasons are different from most) There are plenty of men who are sexually inexperienced who ARE quality guys. Some may be inexperienced because they have been focused on getting an education, or starting a business, and haven't really devoted the time to meeting women. Some may be shy with women, but have a lot going for them and just need encouragement to come out of their shell. Some may have standards and want to have sex only with women who they can see a future with or who they love, and are not the type to engage in a lot of ONS or casual relationships. Some are men of faith who hold themselves to a higher standard of behavior. I know a man (the son of a friend of mine) who is inexperienced, celebate, and getting married soon to a woman who has multiple college degrees, multiple talents, high intelligence, attractive and a genuinely nice, caring person. There are many reasons why a quality man might be inexperienced, and many women who would not hold that against a guy. Some would even prefer that he not be the type that has slept around a lot.
Emilia Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 There are plenty of men who are sexually inexperienced who ARE quality guys. Some may be inexperienced because they have been focused on getting an education, or starting a business, and haven't really devoted the time to meeting women. Some may be shy with women, but have a lot going for them and just need encouragement to come out of their shell. Lack of social skills. Very important quality to have in my opinion. Some may have standards and want to have sex only with women who they can see a future with or who they love, and are not the type to engage in a lot of ONS or casual relationships. Some are men of faith who hold themselves to a higher standard of behavior. I know a man (the son of a friend of mine) who is inexperienced, celebate, and getting married soon to a woman who has multiple college degrees, multiple talents, high intelligence, attractive and a genuinely nice, caring person. There are many reasons why a quality man might be inexperienced, and many women who would not hold that against a guy. Some would even prefer that he not be the type that has slept around a lot. No disrespect but to me religious guys are not quality. They represent a conservative section of society who can't think for themselves but have to follow the herd like sheep. I don't envy the girl your friend's son is marrying I have to say, the sex will suck.
thatone Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Hmm. Well, the point I'm trying to make is just that women look for many qualities in a man, and if a guy has other things going for him, he's going to be able to get that girl, regardless of his sexual inexperience. Being a man of character is far more important to women who are looking for bf material than whether he is sexually experienced or not. A man who used women (either by paying them or misleading them) is not a man of character. High quality women want a man of character. I'd say the ideal relationship is one where people are a match on many levels, and have taken the time to determine if that person has the qualities desired before bringing sex into it, which clouds a person's judgement, as you said. but here's where the disconnect lies. you're wrong, in terms of numbers. i think this stems from the female propensity to sympathize/empathize with other women, whereas men simply don't care. the fact is single women are single for a reason, just as single men are single for a reason. whatever that reason may be. "high quality women" have a plethora of options at their fingertips, they simply need to sit down in a public place alone and wait, or sign up for an online dating website and watch the messages roll in. men don't have that luxury, they must sift through women by approaching them one by one and eliminating them one by one. so it is not productive for men to try to mimic the proclaimed behavior of women. i say proclaimed for a reason, because for most women it isn't their behavior at all, even if they say it is. the majority of women those men meet are going to want aggressive sexual men, not a stable relationship. even if they say they want a stable relationship, they don't, because their patterns indicate otherwise. that's why those women are single. that's why those men will fail if they try to be the "stable relationship" guy. and for the record none of this is either right or wrong. it just is. the problem these men have is not that they fail to fit a mold, much less YOUR mold. the problem they have is they are trying too hard to fit a particular mold, rather than just figuring out what the women they meet want and giving it to them. and if they want sex, give them sex. it isn't rocket science. 1
Author ThaWholigan Posted March 22, 2012 Author Posted March 22, 2012 There are plenty of men who are sexually inexperienced who ARE quality guys. Some may be inexperienced because they have been focused on getting an education, or starting a business, and haven't really devoted the time to meeting women. Some may be shy with women, but have a lot going for them and just need encouragement to come out of their shell. Some may have standards and want to have sex only with women who they can see a future with or who they love, and are not the type to engage in a lot of ONS or casual relationships. Some are men of faith who hold themselves to a higher standard of behavior. I know a man (the son of a friend of mine) who is inexperienced, celebate, and getting married soon to a woman who has multiple college degrees, multiple talents, high intelligence, attractive and a genuinely nice, caring person. There are many reasons why a quality man might be inexperienced, and many women who would not hold that against a guy. Some would even prefer that he not be the type that has slept around a lot. Are they the majority? I have to say that where I live I do not meet women like that. No matter how nice they are, sexual inexperience often ends up being a turn-off. That_one had it spot on with his post. His post reflects the current environment I happen to live in pretty accurately and how I have to proceed with dating. It's going to be MUCH harder simply because I am inexperienced but I am prepared for that. I see what you are saying and I understand it completely. However, while a lot of women may think that such sexually inexperienced guys are quality guys, a significant amount of them would not date him. What can I say though? I love a challenge
Author ThaWholigan Posted March 22, 2012 Author Posted March 22, 2012 but here's where the disconnect lies. you're wrong, in terms of numbers. i think this stems from the female propensity to sympathize/empathize with other women, whereas men simply don't care. the fact is single women are single for a reason, just as single men are single for a reason. whatever that reason may be. "high quality women" have a plethora of options at their fingertips, they simply need to sit down in a public place alone and wait, or sign up for an online dating website and watch the messages roll in. men don't have that luxury, they must sift through women by approaching them one by one and eliminating them one by one. so it is not productive for men to try to mimic the proclaimed behavior of women. i say proclaimed for a reason, because for most women it isn't their behavior at all, even if they say it is. the majority of women those men meet are going to want aggressive sexual men, not a stable relationship. even if they say they want a stable relationship, they don't, because their patterns indicate otherwise. that's why those women are single. that's why those men will fail if they try to be the "stable relationship" guy. and for the record none of this is either right or wrong. it just is. the problem these men have is not that they fail to fit a mold, much less YOUR mold. the problem they have is they are trying too hard to fit a particular mold, rather than just figuring out what the women they meet want and giving it to them. and if they want sex, give them sex. it isn't rocket science. That's not to say that women don't want a relationship though. Just that they respond to certain characteristics that most sexually inexperienced men do not possess. I must say though, I do think this argument is more environmental than anything, KathyM seems to be involved in a slightly different community. Lack of social skills. Very important quality to have in my opinion. I agree with this so much it's unreal No disrespect but to me religious guys are not quality. They represent a conservative section of society who can't think for themselves but have to follow the herd like sheep. I don't envy the girl your friend's son is marrying I have to say, the sex will suck. Well, we don't know that . There are some dark horses out there
Emilia Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Well, we don't know that . There are some dark horses out there you don't strike me as the guilt-ridden religious type
thatone Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Lack of social skills. Very important quality to have in my opinion. No disrespect but to me religious guys are not quality. They represent a conservative section of society who can't think for themselves but have to follow the herd like sheep. I don't envy the girl your friend's son is marrying I have to say, the sex will suck. to take it a bit further, i know more than a few women who were effectively raped by "good christian" men. not that they could be proven in court, but still...("oh i can let him come back to my place, he's a 'good christian', he won't do anything inappropriate") enough that a pattern can be drawn from it. the pattern being self righteousness and sexual frustration are NOT good traits to mix up in a person. the bottom line is the western conservative ideal of putting sex on a pedestal is dying a slow painful death as the generations go by. but it isn't going quietly, it's kicking and screaming. the result we see is that sexually confident people tend to find happiness and companionship at a higher rate than people who subscribe to the sexual apprehension of the past. there's an ebb and flow of people who don't find happiness trying to go back and forth between camps, but by and large religious conservatism is dying, and people who believe in that lifestyle aren't happy about it. and speaking of drawing patterns, i would argue that the percentage of young inexperienced men on this forum who spout the stereotypical conservative political propaganda when those topics come up is awfully high, and that is not a coincidence. they've bought hook, line, and sinker into a set of ideals that for the most part, no longer exist. yet they wonder why women don't want to be around an angsty, delusional, self righteous, inexperienced person...hello?
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