Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 Its about ambition and goals, not the money. I want to know a woman has a good outlook on life and aims to be successful. And btw, plenty of women with degrees love what they do for work. So its more than just status and security for a lot of them. Lets be a little realistic here...some people get jobs that they are passionate about, and some do it to pay the bills. At the end of the day a person with a degree...on average...will lead a more comfortable and happy life. They wont struggle as much as the average high school graduate. I think its great that people try to avoid struggling in the lower class by going to college. Wouldnt you be more attracted to someone who smartly planned for the future? Wouldnt you see them as someone you could run a comfortable household with for your kids? If you can be successful without a degree, then good luck and I wish you the best...its very doable. However, at the end of the day, the average college graduate is way better off than the average high school graduate. A lot of people know this and go to school to avoid a struggle in life. P.S. - You REALLY need to clean up your posting style. Sometimes I just ignore your posts because of the way you format them. And for the love of god stop using so many spaces lol. And please write in paragraphs if your posts are more than a few lines. For every four sentences, end a paragraph and skip one line and start a new one. Also, quit using bold so much. You do these things a lot. Im just saying itd make it easier to follow your posts if you cleaned them up. Thanks for the feedback. I will try to post in a way that is easier to follow. I had no problems writing essays when i was At Uni and High school. I guess it is easier to write dot points. Okay, on average people with a degree ARE more secure. That is not my point, although it is a perk of dating a person WITH a degree. I want to know, that despite your PREFERENCE, are you open to meeting a great girl, who is sucessful in her field WITHOUT a degree? Regardless of the social norm ( that people with degrees are more secure), do you not think that a good amount of people without degrees, can be quality, sucessful people to you? Would you date a person who came across as sucessful and remarkable who DID NOT have a degree?
jobaba Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 I don't think anyone who has a degree that isn't math or science based can make a quality argument in favor of using a degree as a dating criteria. Seriously... Forrest Gump graduated... probably in women's studies. How hard is it to get a degree in Poly Sci or something? I did Biochemistry. I watched business majors show up for their exams high and drunk without even reading the text and getting B's. Lol.
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 YES. Exactly. I found the material well within my grasp at Uni. I quit for personal issues, not because I was not smart enough. If a person is capable of getting the degree, but decided to pursue another career, as I have done, why does it make us less desirable, as partners? Assuming we are ambitious to do well in our career, have a wide range of interests, and have a job that pays the bills and is a simialr wage to a degree job, then WHY would u discount a person, if they were perfect for you, and then you found out they did not have a degree? I think what people are saying, who are pro degree, is that people with degrees are more likely to be more intelligent, be more comitted to finishing things, and are more secure financially. I just want people to acknowledge that people without degrees can earn as similarly, equal to, or MORE, than those with degrees. They can also be just as thrilling to talk and interact with.
tigressA Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 I don't give a s*it about degrees, or being really ambitious/successful. Ironically enough, super-ambitious guys with Master's and PhD.s in subjects like engineering/science/tech are really attracted to me. Math and science are my poorest subjects; I was always more interested in English, lit, history, writing, theater. I'm not super-ambitious either. I have plans, but generally I tend to live life day by day and don't worry about the future too much at all. I've been told that's an immature way to live and I need to 'grow up', but it's served me well enough so far. 3
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 Tigress - I am also not super ambitious, but I can see myself becoming that way, once my life is in order more. It is vry interesting how the most ambitious people, seam to like you a lot and find you very worthy of conversing with. Very interesting indeed. I like it:) I think your adptness for lit and writing and reading could come into play there - you obviously have a good grasp on communicating well and in a way which indicates you like reading. I am going to be honest, about the area I live in.... OOOOOOOOOOOOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG the people come across so BADLY to me. .... People here think I write terrible, and that I have an awful sense of how to use good grammar. LOL. YOU should see the people around here. I do not think they read novels much, and their slang is beyond me. I live in AUS, and in an area and amongst people that do not have college degrees, but just have other jobs. Let me give you an example of how they talk, by using a regular facebook update of a typical person my boyfriend knows from around here: " Hahahaha bringn tha sneaky hat bac wit crystal babi n teej aye.. gemmas turn next hehehehe" "Its soo hatd ta wake myself up lol... been awake n at work for two hours n i feel so dopey lol..... mmm like finishn at 12 though 8)" "Gaaah stayn awake inboxin till 12ish was soooo npt a good idea 3 jours sleep feck..... feel like crap.... someone should so massage me the sarvs 8" .... This chick also just posted a picture of her naked body, with bikini bottoms and a hat blocking her boobs... SHe is not fat,. but she does not have a great body at all.. not worth flaunting over facebook.. ... work out a month look amazing and show pitures if u get amazing results, but really? ..... She had 48 people " like" it, and heaps commented. She seams to have a LOT of friends........... AGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, I am SURE she comes across professional enough in her job, but GEEZ. I do not even enjoy talking in such slang, why say " n" instead of " and" come on.. THESE are the types of people, that people with degrees with prob NOT wish to mingle with.......Then again, I know a person with a degree, and his texting style was like " hey gawjuz" incorrect spelling, and a lot of SHORTENING words like that girl above. I know that this way of talking would drive a lot of people crazy. Including me. I think it comes down to: can a person without a degree see eye to eye and get along well and be suitable for a person WITH a degree. Yes, in some cases, and no more than not I would guess. I could be wrong. I just know that there ARE people who can come across just as well and as favourable as a person WITH a degree..... to the point where you would not know if they did or did not have a degree. Ultimately, people WITH a degree and WITHOUT a degree seek: - a quality mate - a person with a future career plan -a financially stable partner - a person who can provide for themselves - a person who can save and do some interesting activities; not be so broke all they can do it stay at home watching TV and reading ffree books at the library. People with a degree can not have jobs and be broke, just like peopple without degrees who are super sucessful. It happens, but I realise in general, degrees provide a sense of security. Aside from the secutity a degree brings, I would not mind if a partner did not earn as much as me, because they lacked a degree, as long as they could get by, and were otherwise remarkable people.
Jane2011 Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) I don't give a s*it about degrees, or being really ambitious/successful. Ironically enough, super-ambitious guys with Master's and PhD.s in subjects like engineering/science/tech are really attracted to me. Math and science are my poorest subjects; I was always more interested in English, lit, history, writing, theater. I'm also much more interested in subjects like English, History, Political Science, Anthropology, Philosophy, etc. than Math & Science. I'd rather date a guy with a Bachelor's degree in English or History than one with a PhD in Science. It's just my preference. And it's not because I'm bad at math. I'm strong at math. (don't doubt it; I'm Asian, haha). I just find other subjects more interesting and intellectual. I went on a date not long ago with a guy with a PhD in Engineering from an Ivy League school, and I was thinking "This should be impressive to me, but...it's not." Edited March 21, 2012 by Jane2011
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 LOL - Asians and math.... Really, if their system is that good, why can't we call use it:( I like geopraphy, anthropology, and sciences like chemistry or biology, not physics. I would be more interested in talking to a person with a degree in those fields. I am the sort of person who loves people, though, and I love talking to people who have interests that I personally hate. Such as math. I hate math, but it is really interesting to learn that you can actually get along quiet well with such people, who LOVE the things that you HATE.... I would not want a relationship with them, although you can get along very well with a person who loves a subjct which u HATE but are otherwise a good fit for you. There are many " right" people out there for you, so why go for the person who's fundamental interest is one that you despise? My friend hates math, and is with an engineering student. It happens. If a mathamatition loved rock climbing, extreme sports, motor bikes, and things that I love in a guy, I would go for them though! haha. Bottom line: you have to be able to understand each other. I thought that because my boyfriend was bad at spelling and hated re ading, that he would be too simple to connect with me. Boy was I wrong. A lot of people who I get along with, on the other hand, WOULD want a person who reads books. I totally understand. I guess i seam to get a lot out of both worlds; those who read, and those who are avid learners, without the reading side of things. 1
FitChick Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Higher education has become Big Business in the way that war has. I really feel sorry for the kids who graduated from college in the past fifteen years or so. Fewer and fewer high school students qualify based on aptitude and intelligence so universities lower standards (some offer remedial reading and writing) and entice them with easy loans. They graduate and cannot find work. There are plenty of unemployed and underemployed lawyers these days who are hopelessly in debt. America's total student loan debt is higher than our credit card debt. You can't go bankrupt on your loan, there is no statute of limitations, and you can't re-finance the debt in an open market. Some people received default notices and they were never late with payments but still got creamed. When a loan is defaulted, it can double or even triple due to penalties and fees. I heard that they can even garnish your social security check. Don't laugh since plenty of people will still be paying off their loans into old age. The Dept. of Education makes 22% on defaulted loans. If they restored bankruptcy protection, tuition would drop overnight. What I've come to learn in my "mature years" is that when something doesn't make sense, as in common, logical sense, follow the money trail. 3
Nightsky Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 LOL - Asians and math.... Really, if their system is that good, why can't we call use it:( I like geopraphy, anthropology, and sciences like chemistry or biology, not physics. I would be more interested in talking to a person with a degree in those fields. I am the sort of person who loves people, though, and I love talking to people who have interests that I personally hate. Such as math. I hate math, but it is really interesting to learn that you can actually get along quiet well with such people, who LOVE the things that you HATE.... I would not want a relationship with them, although you can get along very well with a person who loves a subjct which u HATE but are otherwise a good fit for you. There are many " right" people out there for you, so why go for the person who's fundamental interest is one that you despise? My friend hates math, and is with an engineering student. It happens. If a mathamatition loved rock climbing, extreme sports, motor bikes, and things that I love in a guy, I would go for them though! haha. Bottom line: you have to be able to understand each other. I thought that because my boyfriend was bad at spelling and hated re ading, that he would be too simple to connect with me. Boy was I wrong. A lot of people who I get along with, on the other hand, WOULD want a person who reads books. I totally understand. I guess i seam to get a lot out of both worlds; those who read, and those who are avid learners, without the reading side of things. There is a profesor who teaches in those fields who posts here. Her user name is Kamille she posts in the off topic section a lot but you could PM her. She's very kind even to a guy like me lol.
setsenia Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Another thing, Growing up, my mothers side of the family all have degrees. One of my cousins is even doing medicine. The other has a finance orientated degree. My other cousin has a law degree and works for a television company and is RICH. They all have degrees. Yet, I grew up with these people, and they all tell me and my parents that they think I am an intelligent girl. Based on the conversations I have with them, what we have talked about throughout my life, and the child I was to them growing up. My mother has a degree, but my father does not. He DID go to Uni and start a degree, but he was offered a well paid job and quit, so he could work and then travel. Both my parents are about the same,in terms of their interlectual capacities. My H dad's side of the family is like this. They all went straight to college right after high school and a lot of them even have doctorates. His family is full of teachers and lawyers. There is no doubt he feels the pressure at 28 and just finishing his bachelors. To answer your question, The way I was raised was that it's important to further your education outside of high school. It's not that I'm shallow, it's just how I was raised, so I couldn't fathom not going to school. Especially in the area I live, you pretty much need to make close to six figures to earn a living, which means furthering your education other than high school unless you are great at doing direct selling. With all the techs driving up the living costs and the high population, having a furthered education is necessary. Getting a good paying job without a degree isn't what it used to be. In my generation, without going to college, going into a trade or getting licensed or certified in something, you are very limited as to what you can do because if places don't require a degree they want a lot of experience. It would be hard for me to date someone with no credentials. It doesn't have to be a college degree per say, but even a 2 year degree and they are a nurse, which is a very stable profession. But the problem these days, is that if you are with someone with a limited education and they get laid off their great paying job, what's going to be next? I have a friend who made nearly 100k a year before getting the ax and she worked with me at Starbucks. It took her several years to find something making 50k and this is because although she had a lot of experience, she lacked the degree her field now requires. She couldn't stress to me enough how important an education is. Her 25 year old daughter makes more than her now and this is because she has a degree. You may think you have a lot of job security, but what happens when you lose your job? You have to settle for much less. You don't necissarily even have to have a college degree, but SOMETHING beyond high school. But that's my personal preference because I want financial stability.
eleanorhurting Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 men with degrees are sexy i totally dig a man with a phd, especially if it is in math or science or international relations or something along those lines I am not sure if I would be attracted to someone without a degree. It has never happened before. But to each its own. My grandmother does not have a degree and I think she is wonderful.
Jane2011 Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 I teach first-year college students and a lot of times they are very hopeful about their respective futures. I read their essays which say "I'm getting my degree so that I can make plenty of money and be assured a good job." (Or sometimes I hear this on the first day when we're doing introductions). And I honestly feel sad for them. Not because I don't think they're smart and capable, but because the degree is a guarantee of nothing and jobs are scarce...
Jane2011 Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 I would not want a relationship with them, although you can get along very well with a person who loves a subjct which u HATE but are otherwise a good fit for you. There are many " right" people out there for you, so why go for the person who's fundamental interest is one that you despise? That's true. I say I don't prefer Science & Math guys (and I don't; I prefer Humanities individuals), but my ex-boyfriend of five years was a Science guy in the third year we were together (he went back to school mid-relationship to pursue a degree in that field). But when I met him, he was a writer and had a degree in Liberal Arts. So he sort of baited & switched on me. (lol, not really)
kaylan Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 I don't give a s*it about degrees, or being really ambitious/successful. Ironically enough, super-ambitious guys with Master's and PhD.s in subjects like engineering/science/tech are really attracted to me. Math and science are my poorest subjects; I was always more interested in English, lit, history, writing, theater. I'm not super-ambitious either. I have plans, but generally I tend to live life day by day and don't worry about the future too much at all. I've been told that's an immature way to live and I need to 'grow up', but it's served me well enough so far. The bold is such bull. Thats so gonna change when you are ready to settle down. You wont want some bum who lacks drive and doesnt try to be successful. men with degrees are sexy i totally dig a man with a phd, especially if it is in math or science or international relations or something along those lines I am not sure if I would be attracted to someone without a degree. It has never happened before. But to each its own. My grandmother does not have a degree and I think she is wonderful. Phds are sexy = money is sex
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 My H dad's side of the family is like this. They all went straight to college right after high school and a lot of them even have doctorates. His family is full of teachers and lawyers. There is no doubt he feels the pressure at 28 and just finishing his bachelors. To answer your question, The way I was raised was that it's important to further your education outside of high school. It's not that I'm shallow, it's just how I was raised, so I couldn't fathom not going to school. Especially in the area I live, you pretty much need to make close to six figures to earn a living, which means furthering your education other than high school unless you are great at doing direct selling. With all the techs driving up the living costs and the high population, having a furthered education is necessary. Getting a good paying job without a degree isn't what it used to be. In my generation, without going to college, going into a trade or getting licensed or certified in something, you are very limited as to what you can do because if places don't require a degree they want a lot of experience. It would be hard for me to date someone with no credentials. It doesn't have to be a college degree per say, but even a 2 year degree and they are a nurse, which is a very stable profession. But the problem these days, is that if you are with someone with a limited education and they get laid off their great paying job, what's going to be next? I have a friend who made nearly 100k a year before getting the ax and she worked with me at Starbucks. It took her several years to find something making 50k and this is because although she had a lot of experience, she lacked the degree her field now requires. She couldn't stress to me enough how important an education is. Her 25 year old daughter makes more than her now and this is because she has a degree. You may think you have a lot of job security, but what happens when you lose your job? You have to settle for much less. You don't necissarily even have to have a college degree, but SOMETHING beyond high school. But that's my personal preference because I want financial stability. You can get qualificationsw beyond high school, in the form of certificates in areas like:: child care ( diploma is 3 years or so), personal training certificates and diploma, beauty therapy ( a stable profession always in demand somewhere), retail and hospitality management, among oher things. I do not think I will not earn as much as a trainer without a degree. I will be great at it, I know it if I work hard, trainers earn 70 K which is alright. I will also work at bars and clubs and cafes in my down timem because I enjoy it and for extra cash. I agree that a degree is more stable, but my passion lies elswhere, in personal training, and in my mid 20's, an exercise science degree would make me so depressed due to doing yearsd of joyless maths, that the degree would not be worth my immense suffering.,
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 The bold is such bull. Thats so gonna change when you are ready to settle down. You wont want some bum who lacks drive and doesnt try to be successful. Phds are sexy = money is sex So I am a bum because I am just a personaltrainer, who will soon make as much money as a person with a degree ( providing I am good at my j ob, which I will be because I believe I can do whatever I put my mind to if I am passionate about it). Geez. People without degrees and who are not 100% career dominated are " bums" ? I suppose people like this smoke pot, hate learning, reading books, and are only interested in partying,lazing about, and working in a cafe their whole lives? I want to open my own personal training business one day. I also research and enjoy learning about a varity of topics. I read in my down time, not magazines. I plan to make good money 2 years from now. Am I less ambitious than a person with a degree?
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 men with degrees are sexy i totally dig a man with a phd, especially if it is in math or science or international relations or something along those lines I am not sure if I would be attracted to someone without a degree. It has never happened before. But to each its own. My grandmother does not have a degree and I think she is wonderful. What about a guy who owns their own sucessful business, makes good money, and did it all because he has talent and drive? You talk to him, he is every bit as stimulating as a man with a degree,.... Do you think it is not possible, that a person without a degree can actually interact and connect with you, in the same way a person WITH a degree can?
tigressA Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 The bold is such bull. Thats so gonna change when you are ready to settle down. You wont want some bum who lacks drive and doesnt try to be successful. Way to tell me about my own opinions and feelings. I won't ever be ready to 'settle down', BTW, because that's not what I want out of life. I also don't want to be with a guy who deems career/work/money as so important that he doesn't bother to 'stop and smell the roses', as they say. 1
thatone Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) i'm also a business owner without a degree. i quit in my junior year. not really due to laziness, but because i got a good job, and preferred working to going to class, and the job was long hours. as for the rest, in the US college is in fact more and more of a scam as the years go by, for everyone except scientific professions, attorneys, and CPAs. you don't need a math degree to see tuition going up and salaries stagnant or creeping lower behind inflation. that makes it a bad deal. for someone purely interested in making money? learn a skilled trade. they'll pay you while you learn and you'll make more money than most college graduates. as for the flip side of that coin, yes people with degrees can be clueless as well. i have an ex that had a private school degree in social work (churning out catholic charities employees) and was going back to the same private school to change jobs and be a physical therapist's assistant. at that rate she'll be paying back student loans when she's 50, to go along with being single at 50 due to all of her other issues... Edited March 21, 2012 by thatone 2
tigressA Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Unfortunately, there are plenty of elitist a**holes out there who truly believe interaction with those who have degrees is more 'elevated', somehow 'better', than with those who lack degrees. Talking to those people, the only stimulation I ever felt was from the strong urge to punch them in their faces. That feeling has become stronger ever since I started working in my current field. Many people I speak to who have been to college in the last 10 years shouldn't have ever been accepted. And these same people think they are so intelligent just because they finished college. That is far from a difficult thing to do these days and I just laugh at those who think it still means so much. A Bachelor's is the new HS diploma. 2
TheFinalWord Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) I won't comment on the "to date or not to date"...but as a PhD student whose taught dozens of classes, with two masters, two bachelors I know a thing or two about academia...I also worked 5 years in between so I know how a degree translates into practice (something my students appreciate ) An undergraduate degree tells an employer that you are trainable; nothing more. You might gain some knowledge in your field, but you'll still need a lot of on the job training. When an employer sees your resume and sees a degree (BTW it doesn't have to be science or math, depends on the field you want a job in), with a descent GPA, hopefully some community service, and the ability to communicate well in the interview, etc. "Yeah this guy is trainable" The community service, internships help b/c finding a job is 50% social networking. As Kaylan says it also shows some level of commitment. School takes drive, especially if you maximize the opportunities. Most students are trying to genuinely better themselves. Yes, there are sinners and saints, ie people that come to class drunk, but this is by and large, not the majority of students. I teach stats classes and they couldn't pass my exams drunk There are so many opportunities at universities. Yes, some students do the min. But a lot don't and they learn how to be competitive and successful. I know b/c I see it on a daily basis. Basic principles: Undergrad = learn theory Master = apply theory (degree is supposed to teach a student how to think like a manager, leader in their discipline) PhD = create theory Gotta jet, but there are so many misconceptions about degrees in this thread. I don't think students even know what the goal is most of the time! Call you local university. Assessment is huge...HUGE. There are measurable objectives schools have to achieve to get public funding. One of the biggest is job placement. As far as the type of degree and the potential for earnings, a lot of that is self-fulfilled prophecy. If you keep telling yourself your degree is a waste because of x, y, or z you can expect those are the results you'll receive! BTW that applies to most things in life like the "all men/women are scums" "forget relationships just go for FWB" etc. Edited March 21, 2012 by TheFinalWord 4
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 Unfortunately, there are plenty of elitist a**holes out there who truly believe interaction with those who have degrees is more 'elevated', somehow 'better', than with those who lack degrees. Talking to those people, the only stimulation I ever felt was from the strong urge to punch them in their faces. That feeling has become stronger ever since I started working in my current field. Many people I speak to who have been to college in the last 10 years shouldn't have ever been accepted. And these same people think they are so intelligent just because they finished college. That is far from a difficult thing to do these days and I just laugh at those who think it still means so much. A Bachelor's is the new HS diploma. Yes. I HATE people who automatically assume that conversations are more " stimulating" with people with degrees. This thread stems from my distate for such ignorant stuck up people. Beyond the actual material you learn in the DEGREE, WHAT IS IT exacty YOU have to offer in a conversation above people with NO degree? PEOPLE WITH degrees, who DEMAND IT in a partner, for reasons BESIDES financial stability: - do you think you know more than current affairs than a person without a degree? - do you think you enjoy reading more? - do you think people with no degrees lack stimulating hobbies and interests? - do people without degrees have less meaningful things to talk about? Answer those questions please. Tigress: I am glad you also see these elitist morons for what they are. THey totally forget that there is a whole world of topics and subject metters from which we can all learn from, WITHOUT requiring a degree....
Author Leigh 87 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Posted March 21, 2012 I won't comment on the "to date or not to date"...but as a PhD student whose taught dozens of classes, with two masters, two bachelors I know a thing or two about academia...I also worked 5 years in between so I know how a degree translates into practice (something my students appreciate ) An undergraduate degree tells an employer that you are trainable; nothing more. You might gain some knowledge in your field, but you'll still need a lot of on the job training. When an employer sees your resume and sees a degree (BTW it doesn't have to be science or math, depends on the field you want a job in), with a descent GPA, hopefully some community service, and the ability to communicate well in the interview, etc. "Yeah this guy is trainable" The community service, internships help b/c finding a job is 50% social networking. As Kaylan says it also shows some level of commitment. School takes drive, especially if you maximize the opportunities. Most students are trying to genuinely better themselves. Yes, there are sinners and saints, ie people that come to class drunk, but this is by and large, not the majority of students. I teach stats classes and they couldn't pass my exams drunk There are so many opportunities at universities. Yes, some students do the min. But a lot don't and they learn how to be competitive and successful. I know b/c I see it on a daily basis. Basic principles: Undergrad = learn theory Master = apply theory (degree is supposed to teach a student how to think like a manager, leader in their discipline) PhD = create theory Gotta jet, but there are so many misconceptions about degrees in this thread. I don't think students even know what the goal is most of the time! Call you local university. Assessment is huge...HUGE. There are measurable objectives schools have to achieve to get public funding. One of the biggest is job placement. As far as the type of degree and the potential for earnings, a lot of that is self-fulfilled prophecy. If you keep telling yourself your degree is a waste because of x, y, or z you can expect those are the results you'll receive! BTW that applies to most things in life like the "all men/women are scums" "forget relationships just go for FWB" etc. Like attracts like. I absolutaly believe that very academic people would do better with other people who prefer to mostly talk about more complex and in depth theories. For instance, I love to learn and talk about space. It is endlessly amazing. Yet, because I lack the science and physics, I c annot understand the theories but I do really enjoy hearing about them, because I am so interested in the subject matter ( matter, parden the pun hehe) Having a degree at a very high level CAn dictate that a person needs to have a certain capability to understand complicated notions and ideas that people without a degree in your field will not be able to apperciate. If talking about advance theories and ideas is what gets you and what you need in a person, highly edcuated people in academia obviously are better suited to like minded people. Of course, it is still possible to convers, chat, and have meaningful conversations with people without a degree, if they are bright and avid learners, who have the knowledge about enough topics in general, for you to have good conversations with. In this posters case, of course they would probably be better suited to a person who can have very intellectual conversations, quiet often. So long as you are courteous and friendly to people without the advanced knowledge you have aquired in your areas, and believe you can have meaningul and stimulating conversations with people without degrees. I think people withoutt a degree, who are avid learners like I am ( constantly watching documentaries and researching theories), and who read a lot about a varity of real life topics, and who are decent people, could get along well with you., but just not be able to keep you on the level you require, as often as you require it, which you need in a partner. When you come back can you please tell me of your experiences with people with and without degrees? Surely you have met smart people without degrees, who are driven and great people to talk to? In a partner do you need a women with a PHD, lol?
kaylan Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Way to tell me about my own opinions and feelings. I won't ever be ready to 'settle down', BTW, because that's not what I want out of life. I also don't want to be with a guy who deems career/work/money as so important that he doesn't bother to 'stop and smell the roses', as they say. Again...it will change. It changes with every woman when she gets ready to start a family. Having ambition will be important then...living day to day is not how you build a life with someone...kids or no kids.
tigressA Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Again...it will change. It changes with every woman when she gets ready to start a family. Having ambition will be important then...living day to day is not how you build a life with someone...kids or no kids. WOW. So you think that every single woman wants to settle down one day and start a family? You are unbelievable.
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