Bob_Funk Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) A lot of guys believe that attaining a muscular physique will be their ticket to poon paradise. In reality, genetic looks (specifically the face) trump all. Your fate was already decided in the womb. If you bust your ass in the gym for a couple years while following a strict prisoner's diet, you might be able to increase your 1-10 attractiveness rating by half a point. 1 point TOPS. Certainly not enough to have much effect on your sex life. Does this mean you shouldn't work on your body? I don't think so. It only makes sense to do everything you can to make yourself less repulsive to women. Just don't expect to graduate from obese girls to average girls because of it Edited March 18, 2012 by Bob_Funk
jobaba Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 A lot of guys believe that attaining a muscular physique will be their ticket to poon paradise. In reality, genetic looks (specifically the face) trump all. Your fate was already decided in the womb. If you bust your ass in the gym for a couple years while following a strict prisoner's diet, you might be able to increase your 1-10 attractiveness rating by half a point. 1 point TOPS. Certainly not enough to have much effect on your sex life. Does this mean you shouldn't work on your body? I don't think so. It only makes sense to do everything you can to make yourself less repulsive to women. Just don't expect to graduate from obese girls to average girls because of it. I agree. It is somewhat unfair. If you are a man of average build for your height and you bust your ass, and put on a lot of muscle and get ripped (which takes YEARS of working out HARD), then you might be 'somewhat' more attractive to a few women. But most women wouldn't even be able to notice that difference with your shirt on. Meanwhile, an average woman throws on a low cut blouse or a pair of tight jeans and it's all over. Ultimately, you shouldn't work out for that reason though. You should do it for yourself.
kaylan Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 A lot of guys believe that attaining a muscular physique will be their ticket to poon paradise. In reality, genetic looks (specifically the face) trump all. Your fate was already decided in the womb. If you bust your ass in the gym for a couple years while following a strict prisoner's diet, you might be able to increase your 1-10 attractiveness rating by half a point. 1 point TOPS. Certainly not enough to have much effect on your sex life. Does this mean you shouldn't work on your body? I don't think so. It only makes sense to do everything you can to make yourself less repulsive to women. Just don't expect to graduate from obese girls to average girls because of it I dunno...I wouldnt say you can only increase your rating by 1. You truly underestimate how much a good body can work in someones favor even if they dont have the best face. To be honest I think a hot body with an average faces beats out a great face on an average body any day. The body usually elicits more of a sexual response from the opposite sex. And this is something myself and friends can attest to. A body transformation is hella helpful
phineas Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Get that jaw line & your facial aesthetics go up. Stretch your shirt sleeves, have a chest & women will be looking your way. Just about anyone looks more attractive when their lean vs. fat. Those guys who get ripped & still don't get women probably just haven't learned how to talk to them or are nervous, ect.
somedude81 Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Actually, getting jacked is great idea if your appearance is actually harming you. Mainly if you were really fat or really skinny, then it can have a big effect. But if your a normal dude, the difference will be minimal.
Author Bob_Funk Posted March 18, 2012 Author Posted March 18, 2012 In reponse to kaylan and phineas: Typical success story: former fat guy with exceptional bone structure transforms his body, turning him from a dud to a stud. However, it wasn't the muscle gain that made the difference, but the fat loss. He could've had similar results from simply cutting calories. I tried the whole bodybuilding thing, and thing the calibre of girls I could attract didn't change one bit. Even with my "swole pecs" and "hot abz," obese girls would still reject me almost every time. Same story with my jacked friends. The biggest player I've known, on the other hand, didn't didn't work out at all. And yet some of the stories he'd tell made my blood boil. This guy was also a 6'4.5" mesomorph with the face of a young Rob Lowe. You can't learn that.
udolipixie Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 It's not a myth if you have an attractive body as a guy you can get gals. What or how many more than 2 is a case by case basis. To me poon paradise is not a myth if you're a jacked guy as it's type of poon they want that is the reality hindrance. If it's just any gal it's likely they can get a poon paradise. I doubt it's 1 point as women are less visual than men, more willing to give chances to guys they aren't attracted to or find unattractive than men, and women have a wider range of male attractiveness as generally men agree on what's hot and women don't.
Nightsky Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Can you be jacked and suck with women... YES very easily. You can also be rich and only be able to get hookers. Just being something or having something doesn't make you attractive.
kaylan Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 You're right about the face trumping all. Youre about that? A good looking face wont make up for a wreck of a body...but Ive seen some great bodies make a not so nice face something people would overlook. I think you need at least something going on for you in either department.
ascendotum Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 In reponse to kaylan and phineas: Typical success story: former fat guy with exceptional bone structure transforms his body, turning him from a dud to a stud. However, it wasn't the muscle gain that made the difference, but the fat loss. He could've had similar results from simply cutting calories. I tried the whole bodybuilding thing, and thing the calibre of girls I could attract didn't change one bit. Even with my "swole pecs" and "hot abz," obese girls would still reject me almost every time. Same story with my jacked friends. The biggest player I've known, on the other hand, didn't didn't work out at all. And yet some of the stories he'd tell made my blood boil. This guy was also a 6'4.5" mesomorph with the face of a young Rob Lowe. You can't learn that. I agree with what you say and I also agree with SD. I know guys that hit the gym and went from dud to stud, but like you say it was more the fat loss and redefined shape than ripling muscles. They went from chubsters to to solid build beefy guys. One of them didn't even lift weights it was just cardio and good genetics to begin with.....and then the flow on effect with increasing confidence as women became friendlier. Having a six pack is not going to make a lot of difference if you can't show it off. Big arms, thighs, lats + pecs do help, women do notice these. When I've been to the xmas parties for the gyms I've trained at, you see the difference in the girls the big guys have and and the girls (or lack of) that the hard gainers have. For a guy who's already decent looking and masculine, I agree its not going to transform his life. But for the dough boys & ectomorph guys its a different story. You had a prisoners diet, but for me its a case of force feeding. As a skinny boyish looking guy, body building made a big difference in the calibre of girls I was able to attract...more than a 1 (like from 3-4s to 6-7s). There is the secondary effect from increased confidence which snowballs the results. You don't see the gym monkeys pick up plenty at the clubs you've been to? I sure do, even though plenty of women think their self absorbed cockheads, there's plenty of babes that are impresssed with muscles & the attitude. A guy certainly doesn't have to go that far though that his arms swing out at the sides. The best players I know, are basically handsome guys with 'stay in shape' physiques. Hard luck guys also get advice to make themselves more appealing by learning a musical intstrument, playing sport, having hobbies, etc, I also think this can be over rated. With myself and other thin build males in the family, rally driving, charity work, yatching, golf, cricket, caving, extreme sports, p/t artist, p/t musician, etc, didn't really make any difference when it came to girls. When I was skinny mentioning these things would get a 5 min conversation with a girl, When I bulked up, then such pastimes became really interesting. Looks trump hobbies. You're right about the face trumping all. In the 20s yes, but in the 30s, physique trumps...for both M + F imo, because that goes the distance. To be honest I think a hot body with an average faces beats out a great face on an average body any day Totally agree. 1
Andy_K Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Abs have got me some action on more than one occasion. Arms are probably more effective, so long as they are not accompanied by a gut.
PlumPrincess Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 I agree. It is somewhat unfair. If you are a man of average build for your height and you bust your ass, and put on a lot of muscle and get ripped (which takes YEARS of working out HARD), then you might be 'somewhat' more attractive to a few women. But most women wouldn't even be able to notice that difference with your shirt on. Meanwhile, an average woman throws on a low cut blouse or a pair of tight jeans and it's all over. Ultimately, you shouldn't work out for that reason though. You should do it for yourself. Sorry to burst your bubble, but women do notice. A couple of years ago, a friend of mine, a gay guy, mentioned that another friend of ours was working out and I was a bit surprised, because I hadn't noticed. But when he pointed it out, I did notice that our friend looked fit and since then I'm more aware of these signs. Usually they have better posture, shoulders are more broad, arms are more defined, etc. Just because you worked out, doesn't mean that your personality has improved. You might also give off a weird vibe that repulses women. Given how the poster repeatedly rants about obese women and even went so far to marry one out of desperation, it won't surprise anybody that with his ripped body he still didn't get laid. I think you could even be really stupid and still find women who want to have sex with you, but if you are not fun, not a tiny little bit, and whining and complaining means no fun, then you won't get sex. Sex is about having fun and you obviously don't seem like a lot of fun.
PlumPrincess Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Hard luck guys also get advice to make themselves more appealing by learning a musical intstrument, playing sport, having hobbies, etc, I also think this can be over rated. With myself and other thin build males in the family, rally driving, charity work, yatching, golf, cricket, caving, extreme sports, p/t artist, p/t musician, etc, didn't really make any difference when it came to girls. When I was skinny mentioning these things would get a 5 min conversation with a girl, When I bulked up, then such pastimes became really interesting. Looks trump hobbies. Guys who have lots of interesting hobbies are a dime a dozen. What they often lack are good social skills, self-confidence and an outgoing personality. Exercising can be a sign that a guy is self-aware and not only a bookworm with a diverse range of hobbies. Guys who exercise are often more masculine than guys who don't. If you combine that with an interesting personality, you get more women.
AlexDP Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 I have had a physique ranging from athletic/muscular (swimmer type build) to noticeably overweight (as in 30+ pounds overweight). It is shocking how little difference it makes in my ability to attract women. I am strongly tempted to say it makes no difference at all. Exercising for the sake of fun, and of course for your health are great reasons to exercise. Taking steroids and risking serious injuries by lifting as much weight as you can--not such a good idea. I have several friends who got addicted to weight lifting and they've all wrecked numerous joints in their bodies irreparably as a result. And none of them had any success at all with beautiful women. Actually, these guys had no success period with women. If you are going for the "jersey shore" aesthetic, muscles alone won't cut it. OP: what was your initial goal anyway? Girls can still tell whether or not you're a douchebag even if you have muscles. Being athletic is a huge advantage if you're an okay guy though. I have a friend who is very muscular, but also likable. I went out with him last night and girls were all over him. He was approached by four different girls so... I'm not as built as him, but fairly athletic too and I have to say I don't think it has hurt my chances with girls. Hasn't really helped in them approaching me though, because as I'm not huge they don't really notice unless the shirt comes off.
Necromancer Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 attraction is 80% in the face. Hot body will help but it´s mostly the face. Also if you have a good face then clothes look much better on you than on the average guy.
phineas Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 In reponse to kaylan and phineas: Typical success story: former fat guy with exceptional bone structure transforms his body, turning him from a dud to a stud. However, it wasn't the muscle gain that made the difference, but the fat loss. He could've had similar results from simply cutting calories. I tried the whole bodybuilding thing, and thing the calibre of girls I could attract didn't change one bit. Even with my "swole pecs" and "hot abz," obese girls would still reject me almost every time. Same story with my jacked friends. The biggest player I've known, on the other hand, didn't didn't work out at all. And yet some of the stories he'd tell made my blood boil. This guy was also a 6'4.5" mesomorph with the face of a young Rob Lowe. You can't learn that. I'm not saying you need to be jacked. Unless you are genetically lucky (rare), on them newbie gains, or on the juice nobody goes from fat to jacked in even a yr (unless they have a past of lifting) From my observations you just need the V-taper. If you got wide shoulders you can be in a 34 and look good to women. As for Rob Lowe, he was on a magazine cover recently shirtless. He's far from jacked, no 6-pack just lean & that is all you need to be. I have a friend that was 6'2 320lbs at his fattest & he was still tagging little petite hotties. It isn't just being jacked. You can meet every checkpoint on a woman's list for looks but if you do something (anything) that turns her off by your actions she will flee. Guys that transform usually were bad with women & will continue to be bad with women & need to learn how to interact with them.
phineas Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Girls can still tell whether or not you're a douchebag even if you have muscles. Being athletic is a huge advantage if you're an okay guy though. I have a friend who is very muscular, but also likable. I went out with him last night and girls were all over him. He was approached by four different girls so... I'm not as built as him, but fairly athletic too and I have to say I don't think it has hurt my chances with girls. Hasn't really helped in them approaching me though, because as I'm not huge they don't really notice unless the shirt comes off. You don't need to be huge. I'm far from huge however because I buy clothes that fit properly people can tell I lift without taking my shirt off. Also depending on where you store fat is also a major factor. Some huys can carry 30+lbs and not look that bad. Me however my face blows up & my moobs sprout so I need to stay leaner. Also, some guys just have that universal attractiveness of facial aesthetics that women like. attraction is 80% in the face. Hot body will help but it´s mostly the face. Also if you have a good face then clothes look much better on you than on the average guy. How can you tell if you have a good face if it's covered with fat? Some guys have a jawline & a gut. Those guys can go further than the guys whose faces get round when they gain weight. I'm one of those guys. I went up to 180lbs on my bulk this winter & my jawline started to disappear. I'm cutting again & down to about 175 & it's starting to come back. I need to be down around 160lbs for a 6-pack to start showing but i've seen that anything <170 & women are checking me out. I'm 5'8" so a taller guy would weight more of course.
Imported Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 I don't know what you mean by "jacked". If it's the typical idea, than the body you're building might be all wrong for attracting girls even though all the boys at the gym admire your build and your plate moving abilities. I workout for girls. If I was working out just for my health, than I wouldn't be trying to get hoooooooggggeeee and lift the mostest plates ever like most guys that claim they don't workout for girls. I'd be a vegitarian, do mostly cardio and lift even less than I do now. That'd be more healthy and help you live a longer life than the typical guys idea of a proper routine. I have built my body up before to a point where a few girls commented that I was too big. I didn't see it. But then I really looked at myself and I could see I had become stocky looking. I was 5'11", leaned out to where you could see my dick pointer as well as abs and I looked stocky. I looked stocky because my chest and legs were too big. I did too many squats and bench pressing because those were the big lifts guys size each other up with. My arms were cartoonishly big. No shirt was gonna fit me right, everything will either look like I am wearing my 10 year old brothers shirt or like a sack. I decided to change everything. I read a lot of the "what bodies do girls like..." threads and I paid attention. I shape my body according to that somewhat. I do mostly body resistance training, lots of pull-ups, push-ups, dips. Lots of running, swimming and even more running. I don't do squats anymore.....my legs were always naturally big on their own even before I ever lifted weights....but I do a lot of deadlifting. I pay attention to proportions and try to achieve a stretched out, long looking torso. I don't really do any specific arm movements anymore and just relie on pull-ups and dips for my arms. I stay at 175 to 180lbs (5'11") even though I could easily move up into the 200's and still be lean. Shirts from Calvin Klien, Kenneth Cole and pretty much anything fit me properly (arms still maybe too big). I am very lean, not overly muscled, really good muscle seperation, abs are always showing, dick pointer (adonis belt) shows well when I diet.....I can smell pussy lips getting wet when girls are around me. I get a lot of female attention, mostly just girls wanting to have sex or suck my dick though. However, I have an attractive face as well.
irin Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 i think im one of the very few girls that doesnt like the gym look. when i see guys with muscles i immediately think "HIMBO" lols. especially if they have a fake tan and too much hair gel:sick:
Hetzer Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Guys who have lots of interesting hobbies are a dime a dozen. What they often lack are good social skills, self-confidence and an outgoing personality. Exercising can be a sign that a guy is self-aware and not only a bookworm with a diverse range of hobbies. Guys who exercise are often more masculine than guys who don't. If you combine that with an interesting personality, you get more women. Give me a break. You like the muscles and that's it, there's no science behind it. Personally I like to work out, but it's a myth that guys who are into it are more masculine. A lot of the guys who go on the extreme diets and spend hours at the gym every day are gay or have vanity/self-consciousness issues, but women think they're "hot" regardless. I'm going to back up the guy that said women start finding you a lot interesting when you are ripped and wearing tight clothes. Looks always trump personality when youre trying to get a date, never believe anything to the contrary. If you're not tall , you have to be muscular (or wealthy) to get a girlfriend, there's no way around that.
jobaba Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Sorry to burst your bubble, but women do notice. A couple of years ago, a friend of mine, a gay guy, mentioned that another friend of ours was working out and I was a bit surprised, because I hadn't noticed. But when he pointed it out, I did notice that our friend looked fit and since then I'm more aware of these signs. Usually they have better posture, shoulders are more broad, arms are more defined, etc. Just because you worked out, doesn't mean that your personality has improved. You might also give off a weird vibe that repulses women. Given how the poster repeatedly rants about obese women and even went so far to marry one out of desperation, it won't surprise anybody that with his ripped body he still didn't get laid. I think you could even be really stupid and still find women who want to have sex with you, but if you are not fun, not a tiny little bit, and whining and complaining means no fun, then you won't get sex. Sex is about having fun and you obviously don't seem like a lot of fun. You're not bursting my bubble. I have a girlfriend who says my body is great and I still workout FOR MYSELF!
Hetzer Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 ^ She must be attracted to your ability to achieve goals. You see, women are not visual, they are saints/judges who reward merit and a good attitude. It's not that women simply like how insanely shredded guys look, no way, they're attracted to the amazing personality of all the Mike Situation's and Ronnies of the world who seem to be getting all the play. If I was a woman, I would probably say guys who work out a lot would be a turn off. Being fit is good, but the guys that have woman-magnet bodies all have serious vanity or self-esteem issues. These guys spend hours looking in the mirror, or shopping for clothes that will show off their muscles or other gay **** like that. I would know, I used to kind of be that way before I realized there is so much more to life than being the best looking guy or getting women attracted to you. But of course, in this sick modern world, effeminate men are encouraged as are masculine women.
Author Bob_Funk Posted March 18, 2012 Author Posted March 18, 2012 OP: what was your initial goal anyway? Brad Pitt's body in Fight Club. I got pretty close. Then again, I don't have Pitt's bone structure or access to steroids. And believe me, all those guys take steroids when preparing for movie roles. Whether they're aware of it or not.
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