Why do you think there is such a prevalence of women who fake their orgasms?

March 10, 2012

Ninety-two percent believed these vocalizations upped their partner’s self-esteem (87 percent reported vocalizing for this purpose).

Women are thinking about their partner's self esteem during sex? Maybe that is why they aren't having orgasms I'd advise less thinking during sex. Thinking is like orgasm kryptonite.

Two reasons a woman might vocalize more gearing up to, and during, his orgasm:

1. He's thrusting harder and faster. It feels good.

2. His excitement and orgasm is a turn on.

March 10, 2012

it’s because they wanted to help their partners out. yep. Plain and simple. It's got nothing to do with lying, either.

March 10, 2012

In answer to the title of the OP, I've always likened it to the answer a man typically gives his wife/lover when she asks him if her ass is fat.

In this case, while a white lie, her answer pleases him. Even while pleasing him, it can also be an impetus to trying different things in lovemaking which bring the white lie to truth, meaning activities which bring her a 'go to' place where genuine orgasms are felt with confidence. Everything is a choice.

March 10, 2012

Hmm... porn perhaps? A lot of porn greatly entertains the idea that fast and hard is almost always great for a woman, when many times it's not. It can even get painful. If you think about it, it's a well-known fact that most of the time women in porn fake their orgasms on camera (they're just very good at it and looks real). So apparently they can reach 'orgasms' when the director tells them to, so they can get a good video shot. The female orgasm almost always happens before the male orgasm (which is totally unrealistic in such a frequency). Heck, they seem to orgasm from things like blowjobs in porn! How many women in the real world do that? LOL

So that makes me wonder now how many women faked in pre-mainstream porn era... I still think it was a big number - but for totally different reasons (i.e. different type of misinformation about woman's sexuality, sex within forced or arranged marriages etc).

Anyway, I don't understand why modern women fake it, even if they cared a lot about their partner. I can understand doing that a couple of times here and there, to be polite and get it over with. But most of the times? What kind of insecurity is this!? That he will dump you otherwise? Let him find a pornstar then (at least their fake orgasms would be very realistic to him). I wouldn't want such a man, sorry.

Jeez...what is it with women? Guys know porn is fake. I actually skip any porn with over the top faking from the man or woman. I actually prefer amateur porn made by every day people. Plenty of guys do. Why? Because it feels more real and thats the kind of sex we like. Mainstream porn is strictly for over the top fantasy viewing. I dont want sex to be like that in any way. I enjoy sensuality.

Yeah, I suppose it is... But I think there are many men (younger generation perhaps) who still think this is the way to go about pleasing a woman; they can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

Wrong. Most dudes know what happens in mainstream porn isnt what women want in sex.

Its not like many women know how to go about pleasing guys either. Its trial and error for everyone. More often than not, the guy pleases himself when having sex seeing as its biologically easier for men to get off. Especially since we usually do most of the work. The fact that a guy can get off from horrible sex with a women who doesnt move (dead lay) is proof of what I am saying.

But as we have all said. An orgasm doesnt make sex inherently good or bad.

Edited March 10, 2012 by kaylan

March 10, 2012

This in bold. Hell that first paragraph is super spot on. More women need to just be chill about all this. Calm down chica, its only sex.

Then men need to stop buying into plastic fantasies about how they want women to look or act sexually. And men do a heck alot of this so women don't feel like they can jsut be themselves. Men don't want women to be themselves. They want porno fantasies over real women.

March 10, 2012

Then men need to stop buying into plastic fantasies about how they want women to look or act sexually. And men do a heck alot of this so women don't feel like they can jsut be themselves. Men don't want women to be themselves. They want porno fantasies over real women.

Guys know mainstream porn and media is about what we want as men for viewing pleasure. Even then a lot of directors get it off the mark. Plenty of dudes would love to see real sex on screen. I def get turned on more by realistic portrayals of lovemaking than over the top screw scenes with plastic people.

But anyways, porn is like the movies. They both are fantasy worlds and men know better than to expect that stuff in reality. Many dont even want it. They want a cute girl next door type of woman. You really dont know men at all.

March 10, 2012

Ran across this last week and it fits with this thread. I pasted the parts of the study that were germane. This has more to do with females who put on the phoney vocalizations and not just simply faking orgasm, but in some respects these are crossover subjects. The high numbers of women who admit to this stuff is actually kind of sad . . . for us men that is

Our nation of moaners - Salon — After Dark - Salon.com

Researchers Gayle Brewer of the University of Central Lancashire and Colin A. Hendrie of the University of Leeds wondered too. In a 2011 study on copulatory vocalization (i.e., sex noises), published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, they asked a group of 71 sexually active, heterosexual women, ages 18 to 48, to answer a questionnaire about their vocalizations during sex and whether or not they correlated with orgasm. The answer most often was yes – but not with their own.

Although female orgasms were reportedly most commonly experienced during foreplay, their vocalizations were reported to occur most frequently before and simultaneous with male ejaculation. So basically the women’s sex noises most frequently accompanied their partner’s orgasm. Why? It turns out, it’s because they wanted to help their partners out. Sixty-six percent reported making noise to accelerate their partner’s ejaculation. Ninety-two percent believed these vocalizations upped their partner’s self-esteem (87 percent reported vocalizing for this purpose). Other reported reasons included speeding things up, “to relieve discomfort/pain, boredom, and fatigue in equal proportion, as well as because of time limitations.”

Well that's all been true for me. Like I said, I was more worried about him and his pleasure then my own. When I was really young and discovered men had this thing called "porn", I would copy the girls and try to learn to moan like them. It wasn't until years later when an ex boyfriend really enthusastically complimented me on that skill did it hit me what I did to try to fit into a more idealized male driven fantasy. Some moans where mine but some where also made just to make him more excited. I wonder how many younger women fall into that same vortex where they try to act like what they see men like. This is why men need to be careful about the expectations and things they idolize about women. If men want real women with real experiences, then they need to support that. If men want fake women with fake fantasies, then that's what they will support. I know mos men don't think they have a responsiblity in this regard, but htey do. Just as I have a responsiblity about what I support in the media that sends messages about men. Do I support the negative stuff, or the positive stuff. That lets men be more of who hey are with me.

March 10, 2012

OK, you asked. This is my honest opinion and is not meant to insult anyone in particular. If you don't feel the following generalizations apply to you, then perhaps they don't.

The female sexual response and much female sexual and sex related behavior is tied up in deception and deceptive acts. Men evolved muscles, women evolved fakery and manipulation. It is the same kind of thing as the way in which the bug with a "face" painted on its ass gets away from predators. Men use tools, women use men. The former requires brute force, the latter requires manipulation and deception.

Women exercise deceptive behavior over men, makeup, faking orgasms, refusing to engage their perfectly capable minds in a logical fashion, etc. as part of the big ball of wax of furthering their biological imperatives. Because once men "figure women all out" in a predictable way that can be repeated, the female becomes the tool of man and not the other way around.

So women fake orgasms as a vestigial, subconscious means of controlling men.

March 10, 2012

Jeez...what is it with women? Guys know porn is fake. I actually skip any porn with over the top faking from the man or woman. I actually prefer amateur porn made by every day people. Plenty of guys do. Why? Because it feels more real and thats the kind of sex we like. Mainstream porn is strictly for over the top fantasy viewing. I dont want sex to be like that in any way. I enjoy sensuality.

Just as women know beauty ads are full of photoshop enhancements but they still buy to the fantasy of the "miracle" creams.

So. No. Not all of the men. Even when they DO know it's fake, the subconscious mind is very powerful. Especially younger ones like teens (the broadband porn generation). It's obvious from discussions of my younger cousins about what they encounter at school and their everyday lives that that many boys have difficulty understanding simple facts and no-brainers: like it's a no-no to stick your you-know-what from her backside (if at all) to a girl's vagina (and without lube). Just a small example. Unfortunately NOT all people watch or like to watch amateur porn. They stick to mainstream (mainstream means the dominant trend in something like opinion, fashion etc).

Wrong. Most dudes know what happens in mainstream porn isnt what women want in sex.

Nope. It's not entirely wrong (see above).

Its not like many women know how to go about pleasing guys either. Its trial and error for everyone. More often than not, the guy pleases himself when having sex seeing as its biologically easier for men to get off. Especially since we usually do most of the work. The fact that a guy can get off from horrible sex with a women who doesnt move (dead lay) is proof of what I am saying.

Yes, it's a trial and error indeed. But some men would not classify the "dead lay" as horrible sex. In fact, he may want her to be more passive and he more active. So, it's not like they're doing her a "favor" by doing all the "hard" work. I don't think they see it as "work" to be honest.

But as we have all said. An orgasm doesnt make sex inherently good or bad.

That, I will agree with.

March 10, 2012

kaylan
Jeez...what is it with women? Guys know porn is fake

On a logical level we ALL know porn is fake. That doesn't mean men stop rseponding to the fake fantasy and aren't infact sexually titilated by it or that they don't infact ask, or simply do things like they see them done in porn.

I am telling you, before porn was a rampet as it was, I didn't have guys just automatically doing the stuff that some of my ex boyfriends tried to do more recently. Porn does change male behavior and male thoughts. Infact, there are studies that oftne talk about how much more disatisfied men feel and are more critical of their own partners after viewing porn of other women.

Wrong. Most dudes know what happens in mainstream porn isnt what women want in sex.

Have you slept with other dudes to know this? i have slept with dudes and have seen a shift in men's sexual attitudes and how they approach sex. Men want more pornified sex. They don't want women to be real or just themselves.

This is the reality a lot of guys don't want to face. But it's not the reality I have experienced in my experiences with men. Porn does infact change men. It has changed men. And not for the better.

March 10, 2012

Guys know mainstream porn and media is about what we want as men for viewing pleasure. Even then a lot of directors get it off the mark. Plenty of dudes would love to see real sex on screen. I def get turned on more by realistic portrayals of lovemaking than over the top screw scenes with plastic people.

But anyways, porn is like the movies. They both are fantasy worlds and men know better than to expect that stuff in reality. Many dont even want it. They want a cute girl next door type of woman. You really dont know men at all.

If that's what men wanted, that's what would be out there. Men have exactly the kind of porn they want. At least most men do. On top of that, do men want to see real sex scenes with real women with real bodies? My guess is that they want things that appear to be "amature" but with young hot perfect looking girls nonetheless. I think "teen" porn is the most popular porn out there unfortunetly for most women that aren't teenagers for most of their lives.

March 10, 2012

Almost every man I've met says they prefer amateur porn to professional porn. However, these same men are vocal about wanting a dolled up woman. I never heard a guy saying he prefers a cute next door girl ever, they always say they want a woman who takes care of how she looks and they respond to the glamorous dolled up women way more than the cute girl next door. They want a "hot" girl not just a "cute" girl.

March 10, 2012

Just as women know beauty ads are full of photoshop enhancements but they still buy to the fantasy of the "miracle" creams.

Thats their fault for not recognizing what reality is. Most men want a realistic girl next door, not a plastic bimbo. The bimbo is just nice to look at. Like a car for instance. Looking at a masarati or porsche is great, but Id prefer and would love to drive a mini cooper or an Acura RSX.

So. No. Not all of the men. Even when they DO know it's fake, the subconscious mind is very powerful. Especially younger ones like teens (the broadband porn generation). It's obvious from discussions of my younger cousins about what they encounter at school and their everyday lives that that many boys have difficulty understanding simple facts and no-brainers: like it's a no-no to stick your you-know-what from her backside (if at all) to a girl's vagina (and without lube). Just a small example. Unfortunately NOT all people watch or like to watch amateur porn. They stick to mainstream (mainstream means the dominant trend in something like opinion, fashion etc).

Maybe not all men, but I would definitely say most.

Mainstream porn is just a term for big production porn. Its not as popular as it once was. Amateur and niche porn is way popular nowadays. The internet has given people a choice of what they want to see.

Nope. It's not entirely wrong (see above).

See what above? You compared teenagers to grown men. I wouldnt say women dont know what men want based on a teen girls lack of knowledge now would I?

Yes, it's a trial and error indeed. But some men would not classify the "dead lay" as horrible sex. In fact, he may want her to be more passive and he more active. So, it's not like they're doing her a "favor" by doing all the "hard" work. I don't think they see it as "work" to be honest.

Well just because some guys are content with any sex they can get, does not mean most are ok with a dead lay. This is what perpetuates some womens laziness in sex...they either think men dont care as long as they are getting some, or they assume an orgasm automatically means the sex is good.

Oh the stories I could share about that. Hell, there were a couple times where I decided not to have guaranteed sex because I was sure itd be horrible and not worth my time.

That, I will agree with.

March 10, 2012

Almost every man I've met says they prefer amateur porn to professional porn. However, these same men are vocal about wanting a dolled up woman. I never heard a guy saying he prefers a cute next door girl ever, they always say they want a woman who takes care of how she looks and they respond to the glamorous dolled up women way more than the cute girl next door. They want a "hot" girl not just a "cute" girl.

You dont know men at all. Most of my guy friends who disagree with you. Hell most of the men I know would disagree with you. The girl next door is highly preferred.

Heres a quote from another thread:

Interesting. I recall reading an article in a woman's magazine years ago where the writer created identical profiles but in one she was wearing a red dress which showed her cleavage and heavier evening makekup, and another one with her wearing a simple white shirt unbuttoned that extra button but not showing anything and more natural makeup. She got more men responding to the white shirt photo. She concluded men wanted the girl next door, not the glamor puss.

Spot on Id say.

On a logical level we ALL know porn is fake. That doesn't mean men stop rseponding to the fake fantasy and aren't infact sexually titilated by it or that they don't infact ask, or simply do things like they see them done in porn.

This is how it works for men...see sex = get turned on. Simple.

Fake or real that is what will happen. It doesnt mean that we want fake women and fake sex. Logical men and women understand that and are not threatened by entertainment.

Am I going to be threatened by rom coms? Am I going to sit and think most women arent smart enough to know real life love isnt like the movies? No, I know that women just dig a feel good story. Logical adults know life doesnt always have happen endings. Even though movie hit a nerve with me, 500 Days of Summer allowed me to appreciate a real life portrayal of love and heart break on the big screen. Its one of my fave movies because of how real it is.

Same way plenty of mens fave porn is amateur stuff. That stuff is super popular that dudes know the names of these couples who have private sites and can talk about them with each other.

I am telling you, before porn was a rampet as it was, I didn't have guys just automatically doing the stuff that some of my ex boyfriends tried to do more recently. Porn does change male behavior and male thoughts. Infact, there are studies that oftne talk about how much more disatisfied men feel and are more critical of their own partners after viewing porn of other women.

Women are the exact same way. I dont get mad at porn for opening people up to new ideas. I wonder where women got the ole "finger in the mans butt" idea

I see that stuff in porn a lot. And I always change it because anal play turns me off because of what comes out of that hole. One chick almost got to it before I noticed and stopped her. And another rubbed my perineum and thought Id be cumming like a fountain but it did nothing for me.

Have you slept with other dudes to know this? i have slept with dudes and have seen a shift in men's sexual attitudes and how they approach sex. Men want more pornified sex. They don't want women to be real or just themselves.

Im sorry...I need to screw men to know this? I know plenty of males and we talk about this stuff.

Either way, porn has affected everyone. I dont mind it...I just try and find someone I click with. Plenty of men do want a women to be herself though...but youll never believe that...so Im not gonna turn this thread into a porn thread.

This is the reality a lot of guys don't want to face. But it's not the reality I have experienced in my experiences with men. Porn does infact change men. It has changed men. And not for the better.

Meh. Whatever you say. Edited March 10, 2012 by kaylan

March 10, 2012

Thats their fault for not recognizing what reality is. Most men want a realistic girl next door, not a plastic bimbo. The bimbo is just nice to look at. Like a car for instance. Looking at a masarati or porsche is great, but Id prefer and would love to drive a mini cooper or an Acura RSX.

Maybe not all men, but I would definitely say most.

How I wish that were true...

Mainstream porn is just a term for big production porn. Its not as popular as it once was. Amateur and niche porn is way popular nowadays. The internet has given people a choice of what they want to see.

Even if it was so, all the amateur porn I've encountered looks like a toned-down version of the mainstream.

See what above? You compared teenagers to grown men. I wouldnt say women dont know what men want based on a teen girls lack of knowledge now would I?

This was just an example to showcase the influence of porn on naive minds (both boys and girls). Because the influence is more obvious on young minds rather than adults. Those young minds will grow up to become adults. However, compared to pre- broadband porn era the foundations of those adults and the way they form relationships will be entirely different from the ones who grew up without those "fantasies" on screen. I don't think it's a leap of logic. It actually can be seen now on teen sites. Just go to Tumblr for example and see all those porn blogs and quotes by early TEENS. Edited March 10, 2012 by silvermercy

March 10, 2012

Ran across this last week and it fits with this thread. I pasted the parts of the study that were germane. This has more to do with females who put on the phoney vocalizations and not just simply faking orgasm, but in some respects these are crossover subjects. The high numbers of women who admit to this stuff is actually kind of sad . . . for us men that is

Our nation of moaners - Salon — After Dark - Salon.com

Researchers Gayle Brewer of the University of Central Lancashire and Colin A. Hendrie of the University of Leeds wondered too. In a 2011 study on copulatory vocalization (i.e., sex noises), published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, they asked a group of 71 sexually active, heterosexual women, ages 18 to 48, to answer a questionnaire about their vocalizations during sex and whether or not they correlated with orgasm. The answer most often was yes – but not with their own.

Although female orgasms were reportedly most commonly experienced during foreplay, their vocalizations were reported to occur most frequently before and simultaneous with male ejaculation. So basically the women’s sex noises most frequently accompanied their partner’s orgasm. Why? It turns out, it’s because they wanted to help their partners out. Sixty-six percent reported making noise to accelerate their partner’s ejaculation. Ninety-two percent believed these vocalizations upped their partner’s self-esteem (87 percent reported vocalizing for this purpose). Other reported reasons included speeding things up, “to relieve discomfort/pain, boredom, and fatigue in equal proportion, as well as because of time limitations.”

Im sorry, but how is 71 women localized in one small area, in ANY way indicative of the sexual behavior of all women.

Bull crap study. This is the best you could find? There are way more expansive studies out there that have much larger sample sizes, age analysis, and pick women from different backgrounds, racial groups, etc.

Come on now...71 women....lmao

March 10, 2012

Men want more pornified sex. They don't want women to be real or just themselves.

Maybe because the best that women are giving is pornified sex. Women are performing instead of letting go and feeling. They've never experienced a women in true sexual passion.

A man who has had a lover who got genuinely turned on, and had genuine earth-shattering orgasms with him, is going to know that porn sex can not compare.

March 10, 2012

I don't dispute that female orgasms in porn are almost always faked; I'd go as far as to say that 90% of the time they look so damn fake it's a bit of a turn off to be honest

What do you mean almost always? There aren't any real orgasms in porn. I thought everyone knew that?

Do women shy away from touching themselves during sex? My philosophy: if it feels good, touch it!

This might be more personal, but I shy away from it. Simple because I'm there for him to pleasure me. If I want to masturbate I do it at home. The reason I am sleeping with a guy is because I want a sexual encounter with a man, not myself.

But I also don't feel comfortable doing it because, like many women mentioned, what looks nice doesn't feel natural. And what feels natural doesn't look nice. And yes, we are conscious about it because we don't want to lay there, masturbating in a way that looks ugly to the man. We want to look sexy for them, so we pose. And posing is never natural.

You might say that women fake orgasms for a man for the same reasons a man tells a woman she is beautiful in the morning, even if she's not.

Some moans where mine but some where also made just to make him more excited.

I agree. I often make noises because it turns them on. I don't see why it's sooooo bad if it's simply a tactic to turn a man on. Men often do the same because they know it's a turn on for us, but they don't get blasphemed for being liars. And many men make noises too, not because it's natural but to show that they are enjoying themselves. Imagine if he didn't make one peep during a blowjob, the woman would assume she is no good, lose her confidence and give him no more blowies cuz apparently she sucks.

Same for men. If you never enjoy the sex, or enjoy it but never enough to orgasm, a man won't feel good about himself, and will want to do it less. Instead he will find another woman who he can satisfy, and he will stick to that.

On a logical level we ALL know porn is fake. That doesn't mean men stop rseponding to the fake fantasy and aren't infact sexually titilated by it or that they don't infact ask, or simply do things like they see them done in porn.

This is the reality a lot of guys don't want to face. But it's not the reality I have experienced in my experiences with men. Porn does infact change men. It has changed men. And not for the better.

I agree. We all have fantasies, and we know they are fake, but it doesn't make them any less sexy for us. So many people have fantasies of having sex in certain places, or with certain people, and although they know this will never really happen, it doesn't mean it turns them on any less.

Almost every man I've met says they prefer amateur porn to professional porn. However, these same men are vocal about wanting a dolled up woman. I never heard a guy saying he prefers a cute next door girl ever, they always say they want a woman who takes care of how she looks and they respond to the glamorous dolled up women way more than the cute girl next door. They want a "hot" girl not just a "cute" girl.

They want it, but it doesn't mean they feel they go for it. It's always the cute girl next door that gets approached, not the gorgeous, dolled up woman.

March 10, 2012

How I wish that were true...

Oh but it is.

Even if it was so, all the amateur porn I've encountered looks like a toned-down version of the mainstream.

You sure about this?

You gotta be kidding. Most amateur porn Ive seen involved everyday people. You must not watch a lot of porn. A simple click on a porn tubes amateur section shows you this.

This was just an example to showcase the influence of porn on naive minds (both boys and girls). Because the influence is more obvious on young minds rather than adults. Those young minds will grow up to become adults. However, compared to pre- broadband porn era the foundations of those adults and the way they form relationships will be entirely different from the ones who grew up without those "fantasies" on screen. I don't think it's a leap of logic. It actually can be seen now on teen sites. Just go to Tumblr for example and see all those porn blogs and quotes by early TEENS.

Teenage kids are impressionable in general. I wouldnt compare boys or girls to adult men and women. Thats silly. If I wanted to talk about a womans sexual skill, or her views on sex, I would not reference teenage girls...Id reference other women.

The information super highway has laid everything and anything out before a kids feet. I dont mind that. Let them learn, grown, and rationalize it all with logical thought. Thats what I and guys my age have done. More people are having better sex today than ever before in my opinion. I praise the sexual and information revolutions.

I think porn has benefited us all. I def wouldnt want to live in the 80s where women were more fickle. Screw that. Im glad plenty of women embrace their sexuality and all this new stuff.

March 10, 2012

Maybe because the best that women are giving is pornified sex. Women are performing instead of letting go and feeling. They've never experienced a women in true sexual passion.

A man who has had a lover who got genuinely turned on, and had genuine earth-shattering orgasms with him, is going to know that porn sex can not compare.

This.

I really wish more women could just lose themselves in the moment. I wish everyone could, because I hear the same complaints from women. People think about sex too much and self consciously worry about their performance. Screw that...I just want to let loose with a girl and let our sexuality flow within and through one another.

Thats the best sex.

March 10, 2012

But I also don't feel comfortable doing it because, like many women mentioned, what looks nice doesn't feel natural. And what feels natural doesn't look nice. And yes, we are conscious about it because we don't want to lay there, masturbating in a way that looks ugly to the man. We want to look sexy for them, so we pose. And posing is never natural.

You'll never enjoy sex and reach orgasm worrying about looking nice.....

Men want to see raw lust! That is the biggest turn on! Not pretty poses.

March 10, 2012

What do you mean almost always? There aren't any real orgasms in porn. I thought everyone knew that?

Actually some professional stars do have real ones. Not many, but some do.

And in amateur porn, you can find plenty of real orgasms since the participants focus more on their enjoyment.

You'll never enjoy sex and reach orgasm worrying about looking nice.....

Men want to see raw lust! That is the biggest turn on! Not pretty poses.

This...again.

Wow...I dont know what you look like...but your posts are hot and make me want ya. Haha...you totally get us guys.

A chick who understands guys is super attractive...which is part of why girls who can "be one of the bros" are always super popular.

And if a chick gets me turned on enough during a hook up or sex, of course ill jerk or grab at myself. My ex used to drive me mad. Id be pawing at her and grabbing my own chest at the same time. The foreplay drove me so mad...I loved it.

Edited March 10, 2012 by kaylan

March 10, 2012

Oh but it is.
You sure about this?

You gotta be kidding. Most amateur porn Ive seen involved everyday people. You must not watch a lot of porn. A simple click on a porn tubes amateur section shows you this.
Teenage kids are impressionable in general. I wouldnt compare boys or girls to adult men and women. Thats silly. If I wanted to talk about a womans sexual skill, or her views on sex, I would not reference teenage girls...Id reference other women.

You didn't entirely get my point about teens becoming next generation's adults with a skewed view on the reality of sexuality (engraved very early on in their subconscious).

The information super highway has laid everything and anything out before a kids feet. I dont mind that. Let them learn, grown, and rationalize it all with logical thought. Thats what I and guys my age have done. More people are having better sex today than ever before in my opinion. I praise the sexual and information revolutions.

I think porn has benefited us all. I def wouldnt want to live in the 80s where women were more fickle. Screw that. Im glad plenty of women embrace their sexuality and all this new stuff.

Yes, porn has benefited in SOME ways. But after a point, when is too much??

(bold) It's not always about embracing (which is good of course) and it's not about going back to the Victorian, 80s days etc. Who would want that? BUT... that's the thing. This "embracing" has brought on many other problems for women (and men). The level to which this has grown means it creates huge insecurities on many women (and that's not their fault) based on what...? Just FANTASIES. I think the latter part is rather sad.

And the faking cycle continues...

PS: So if a man was offered a free Ferrari or Porche he would still drive the mini Cooper?

Edited March 10, 2012 by silvermercy

March 10, 2012

Also, Id like to add

Men dont want poses...I want a girl who will be her true self. That is whats sexy. If people are already their most vulnerable when naked and having sex with someone, why care about how you look. Youre both there to enjoy yourselves. I wouldnt think a girl looked weird to me for being her true self sexually. You think Im gonna make fun of her when she cums or touches herself? Hell no...its hot and cute. I loved the way my ex reacted and looked during orgasm. We both loved each others come face...and I know I have a weird one but she liked it anyways.

March 10, 2012

You didn't entirely get my point about teens becoming next generation's adults with a skewed view on the reality of sexuality (engraved very early on in their subconscious).

Yes, porn has benefited in SOME ways. But after a point, when is too much??

(bold) It's not always about embracing (which is good of course) and it's not about going back to the Victorian, 80s days etc. Who would want that? BUT... that's the thing. This "embracing" has brought on many other problems for women (and men). The level to which this has grown means it creates huge insecurities on many women (and that's not their fault) based on what...? Just FANTASIES. I think the latter part is rather sad.

And the faking cycle continues...

PS: So if a man was offered a free Ferrari or Porche he would still drive the mini Cooper?

Thats your own opinion based on your own views on sex. You had a different upbringing than I and come from a more reserved culture. Hence why I dont see a problem in all this. I dont think anything thats occured so far is over the top.

Im not gonna sit and compare the present to the past if people are enjoying sex more. I wont say the past was better if it wasnt. As time goes on more women are becoming sexually assertive, and sexually confident...which has meant more orgasms for women. Thats a great things. When stats show this beginning to decline, then maybe at that time Ill look to blame porn for something. Till then, Im as cool as a cucumber about all this.

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