zengirl Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I never ask a chick if she comes either. I just ask try to make sure they have a good time. I know better than to add to much thinking or pressure to sex by having someone focus too much on the finish. I know I hate it so why do it to the chick? (a) Then you really have no idea if she's had the O in many cases, unless these women always volunteer. (b) I've never seen a man 'checking in with me' as pressure. I've seen it more as him including me in his pacing. That said, I often volunteer. So, I think this is a personal thing, btw. Im saying that you are grouping me into the wrong group of men. Because everytime you say "but you cant known every time" one of you references some guy who was absent minded or overtly boastful about making all his women cum quickly. I never did any of that...so why bring up such a make when speaking with me? Actually, I think you started this thread with many early posts boasting about your ability to make women cum quickly (it didn't take much inference). In fact, you did. . . exactly that. . . . another poster has already cited some of the quotes. That's the part of the thread I, personally, find egotistical and bizarre. As to your thoughts on the sexuality of young women. . . I'm not that old, and plenty of my friends are your age. A few are younger. Most of the women I know who seek a lot of sex, talk about sex a lot, etc, very rarely have Os with the men they sleep with; they enjoy the sex, yes, but when they find a guy who makes them O, it's not terribly common. Rather, they get most of their Os mechanically. It's not that I don't think a man with female friends can have any conversations about female sexuality with them --- you can have some, but they can never be as frank and complete as what women have among themselves. (This is true of men as well, though, again, it doesn't mean that male friends cannot share feelings about romance or even sex with women.) I think sex --- not love, not romance, but SEX --- is the trickiest subject for men and women to honestly discuss. But, as always, MMV. I believe women who fake it are only cheating themselves. This is certainly true. 1
Author kaylan Posted March 9, 2012 Author Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) (a) Then you really have no idea if she's had the O in many cases, unless these women always volunteer. (b) I've never seen a man 'checking in with me' as pressure. I've seen it more as him including me in his pacing. That said, I often volunteer. So, I think this is a personal thing, btw. The women I had extended sexual relationships with did volunteer the info. If anything I ask if they had I good time. I dont keep asking if or when they will come. Ive had girls do that to me and it totally kills my climb to orgasm To say I have no idea if these girls had one is a big jump for you...Because Im sure I know they much much more than you, despite your being female. How do you guys know the two chicks Ive had my best experiences with werent girls like DontWorryBHappy. Plenty of young chicks like her exist out there. Ive met quite a few who have opened my eyes a bit about women and sex. Actually, I think you started this thread with many early posts boasting about your ability to make women cum quickly (it didn't take much inference). In fact, you did. . . exactly that. . . . another poster has already cited some of the quotes. That's the part of the thread I, personally, find egotistical and bizarre. Since when is ten minutes of straight oral quick? Ive heard plenty of women say they can easily get off in 10 to 15 minutes. Other women in this thread have said thats just about a fine time for getting off. Whats wrong with me saying I got off women I knew very well quickly? It makes sense and happens with MANY couples. Once you find what works, orgasms dont take much work. I never said this happens with me and every woman. So please, go back and read my posts again if it helps. As to your thoughts on the sexuality of young women. . . I'm not that old, and plenty of my friends are your age. A few are younger. Most of the women I know who seek a lot of sex, talk about sex a lot, etc, very rarely have Os with the men they sleep with; they enjoy the sex, yes, but when they find a guy who makes them O, it's not terribly common. Rather, they get most of their Os mechanically. Oh ok...I see what it is...your anecdotes from young women you know count more than my anecdotes from young women I know. I know more than just a few girls who have sex for the orgasm. Its not rare and mechanical for every young chick. But I see you perpetuate that thought, so I cant do anything about that. It's not that I don't think a man with female friends can have any conversations about female sexuality with them --- you can have some, but they can never be as frank and complete as what women have among themselves. (This is true of men as well, though, again, it doesn't mean that male friends cannot share feelings about romance or even sex with women.) I think sex --- not love, not romance, but SEX --- is the trickiest subject for men and women to honestly discuss. But, as always, MMV. Lmao @ your assumptions. The woman I was around were so frank and blunt, that I often felt uncomfortable. Especially because I had previously hooked up with one of them and they talked so freely about things. So please give that a rest. Btw Im open about sex and romance, so with my really cool chick friends Im super honest. So dont assume men and women can never just be open and honest about this stuff. I guess my crew just runs differently than yours. Edited March 9, 2012 by kaylan
Titania22 Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Did you tell him you didn't? It bothers me when people assume that "making noise" when not having, or at the edge of having, an orgasm is "faking". They should try being penetrated and being silent! Each thrust can feel like a "hit" of pleasure, even when it is not building to orgasm. If men interpret that to be faking orgasm, I wonder if they have any idea what a real orgasm looks like I said something like "what orgasm?" and then let it go. Screw being silent, I don't have orgasms from penetration, but I still enjoy sex, I don't want to start pretending that I don't.
mesmerized Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 Only from this thread alone you can tell that 50% was clearly an overestimate! Reading articles they seem to say its more about 30%. This shows how women faking is sooo freaking common if we all had men who thought every woman they had sex with came from sex alone. And Kaylan, men DO prefer a woman who can cum with sex. Every time I tell a guy that I can't cum with sex alone, I see this shock/disappointed look on their face. I HATE it! Maybe I should start faking it too, to "compete" with other women, just like the fake hair, makeup etc....lol
Badsingularity Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 Every time I tell a guy that I can't cum with sex alone, I see this shock/disappointed look on their face. I HATE it! Don't let it bother you. They just haven't done their research.
zengirl Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 The women I had extended sexual relationships with did volunteer the info. If anything I ask if they had I good time. I dont keep asking if or when they will come. Ive had girls do that to me and it totally kills my climb to orgasm There's a spectrum between 'not asking' and 'keep asking.' Someone who's pestering you about your O-status would be tedious, yes. To say I have no idea if these girls had one is a big jump for you...Because Im sure I know they much much more than you, despite your being female. How do you guys know the two chicks Ive had my best experiences with werent girls like DontWorryBHappy. Plenty of young chicks like her exist out there. Ive met quite a few who have opened my eyes a bit about women and sex. Huh? I have NO IDEA if they came or not. I'm saying if you don't ask a girl if she had an O, there's no way you could know for sure (and even then, you can't know if a gal is lying). I can't know either! Only the girl herself really, truly knows. That was my point. Since when is ten minutes of straight oral quick? Ive heard plenty of women say they can easily get off in 10 to 15 minutes. Other women in this thread have said thats just about a fine time for getting off. Whats wrong with me saying I got off women I knew very well quickly? It makes sense and happens with MANY couples. Once you find what works, orgasms dont take much work. Nothing is 'wrong' with you saying it, but something is very odd with making a thread that's supposedly about something else to say it and then saying you didn't say it and then saying that you can totally 100% tell if a woman is faking it and being defensive every time someone tells you, no, you probably can't. It's all fine, of course -- you can say whatever you like -- but I find it an odd point to keep bringing up, all the while saying you didn't say it. And yes, I'd say that's relatively quick to reach orgasm. Not impossible or unreasonable, but on the quick side---all depends on what was done before it too, though. Oh ok...I see what it is...your anecdotes from young women you know count more than my anecdotes from young women I know. I know more than just a few girls who have sex for the orgasm. Its not rare and mechanical for every young chick. But I see you perpetuate that thought, so I cant do anything about that. Yes, mine count a bit more because I have no ego attached to it. And women are more likely to tell other women the truth. But anecdotes alone are not enough evidence for anything, surely. Also. . . I'm not trying to convince you that women don't have Os, just this idea that you know so much more about female sexuality than women because you went to a college with a lot of young women is. . . odd. I know women who speak very brashly about sex with men. They aren't always speaking the whole truth, though, as they'll often catch the gals up when the men aren't around. But whatevs. 1
Author kaylan Posted March 10, 2012 Author Posted March 10, 2012 Only from this thread alone you can tell that 50% was clearly an overestimate! Reading articles they seem to say its more about 30%. This shows how women faking is sooo freaking common if we all had men who thought every woman they had sex with came from sex alone. And Kaylan, men DO prefer a woman who can cum with sex. Every time I tell a guy that I can't cum with sex alone, I see this shock/disappointed look on their face. I HATE it! Maybe I should start faking it too, to "compete" with other women, just like the fake hair, makeup etc....lol I guess youve been meeting the wrong guys...guys who know nothing about female sexuality. I dont see why it would bother a guy that hed have to use a helping hand to get a girl off during sex. Or if he had to switch to oral to get her off. If she gets off, she gets off. Oh wells...sucks for those guys if they wanna have tears in their beer. I dunno if men or women have it worse when it comes to dating and sex. I can only hope to find a chick who I click with sexually and is as open as I am. Meh
Author kaylan Posted March 10, 2012 Author Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) There's a spectrum between 'not asking' and 'keep asking.' Someone who's pestering you about your O-status would be tedious, yes. I feel you on this point. Huh? I have NO IDEA if they came or not. I'm saying if you don't ask a girl if she had an O, there's no way you could know for sure (and even then, you can't know if a gal is lying). I can't know either! Only the girl herself really, truly knows. That was my point. Then tbh, all you are saying is no one really knows when anyone orgasms. Because guys surely can stop having sex and dispose of the condom. Like I said, you give me too little credit. I never said all the women I sleep with orgasm. I said the women I had extended sexual experiences with did frequently orgasm with ease after we got comfortable with each other. I dont have to ask about an orgasm...same way a chick doesnt have to ask me about an orgasm...someone bugging out and then saying something like "that was the best one this week" is pretty straight forward. Words are needed anyways once you get everything figured out. After making someone cum a couple times, you know what works and dont need any future affirmations of the fact. Nothing is 'wrong' with you saying it, but something is very odd with making a thread that's supposedly about something else to say it and then saying you didn't say it and then saying that you can totally 100% tell if a woman is faking it and being defensive every time someone tells you, no, you probably can't. It's all fine, of course -- you can say whatever you like -- but I find it an odd point to keep bringing up, all the while saying you didn't say it. I didnt make this thread to be about the 10 minute thing. YOU women fixated on that and wouldnt leave it alone. You treated it as some impossible task and then other women jumped in and said it was quite possible. Surveys on this concur with me as well...so I have no idea why anyone ever argued with me on that point. Especially when I was referring to relationships in which the two people are attentive, generous, and know one anothers bodies really well. It was stupid to ever argue with me on that because I made a damn factual statement that wasnt far out there. Im not continually bringing it up. You ladies keep bringing it back up. Am I not allowed to respond and defend my posts? And I never said that I did say what I did about ten minutes. I merely elaborated on my position. Hell, one of you finally understood what I said and ended up agreeing with me. And yes, I'd say that's relatively quick to reach orgasm. Not impossible or unreasonable, but on the quick side---all depends on what was done before it too, though. 10 minutes is hardly quick when its oral. But suit yourself. Id google some stuff on this if I were you. My averages with those 2 ladies from my past are not outside of the range given from any studies or stats. Yes, mine count a bit more because I have no ego attached to it. And women are more likely to tell other women the truth. But anecdotes alone are not enough evidence for anything, surely. Also. . . I'm not trying to convince you that women don't have Os, just this idea that you know so much more about female sexuality than women because you went to a college with a lot of young women is. . . odd. My ego is not attached to this. Like I told you...I dont care if a chick desires to fake. Thats on her. Your ego is attache to this if you can be honest about that. Some of you women seem to hate the fact that I as a man would actually be in the know with any of my chick friends. God forbid any of my friends are honest with me huh? Just because Im a male they must be lying to me:rolleyes: The same way guys have a few chick friends they can treat like one of the bros, chicks have guy friends they can gab with about anything. If anecdotes alone are not evidence for anything, then you just contradicted yourself. What you say means no more than what I say. Nor is what you say any more true than what I say, regardless of our genders. My point is I know more about the sexuality of the women I had plenty of sexual experience with, then you will ever know about them. Why? Because you are strangers and dont know them at all. Thats how it is, and again, regardless of gender. You want to simply dismiss my sexual experiences and what my female friends have said to me as an honest friend, simply because I am male. Get outta here with that bull. And then you tell me I have an ego attachment? I swear it seems that sometimes women dont want other gals to bond with guys in ways they believe shouldnt be possible. I have chick friends who and exes who were more honest with me than with any other females in their life...any other person for that matter. So to dismiss what im saying simply because I am male is more arrogant of you then it is of me to simply restate what I have been told. I know women who speak very brashly about sex with men. They aren't always speaking the whole truth, though, as they'll often catch the gals up when the men aren't around. But whatevs.Your point? Ive had gal pals who are more honest with me than they were with their chick friends...so what do you say to that? Im not even super honest about my sex life with my guy friends. Theres only 2 people I tell absolutely everything to in my life. One is male and the other is female. Their gender has nothing to do with my ability to share info with them. Sorry If I dont experience as much strict gender comradery as you do. Edited March 10, 2012 by kaylan
xxoo Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 I can only hope to find a chick who I click with sexually and is as open as I am. Keep looking. She's out there!
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