Conclusion: Men really are strange

[tman666]

 

Canada, America. It's the same thing.

 

Nope.

 

Not to start a border war or anything...

[FrustratedStandards]

lol it really is.

 

I know Canadians and Americans don't really like each other. Personally I don't care about this rivalry, i'm neither. But as an outsider, I am telling you honestly that in a worldly perspective it's pretty much the same thing.

 

America, however, has a really bad reputation. Canada is considered the friendlier and smarter of the two.

 

Again, outsiders perspective on how the world sees these two countries.

[futuremom]

The only way I've ever gotten a man quickly (being the key word here) and a guy I didn't know, I had to have a combination of factors from my end, what I call SAS: a little bit Slutty, a lot Agressive, and a little bit Scary. The amount of each of these factors varies on the guy, but this is generally what I use seeing as how I play video games and running makes me sad so I'm not going after the guy who plays lacrosse and jogs like that's a thing people do for fun. You also have to keep in mind though--from a guys perspective, it takes an INCREDIBLE amount of confidence to approach (especially if they're good looking) woman, and if their friends are watching? You can pretty much expect any guy approaching you to be a preening ass. Think Danny from Grease, only without the sweet side--don't ever bank on the sweet side, believe me, it is not something you can count on being there when you need it. But anyway it's rare (at least in the South here, where Men are expected to be MEN.) to find a guy who's confident AND nice AND not banging a bunch of other chicks because hey--if he approached you...

[crosswordfiend]

I'm in Toronto right now.

 

Do you live downtown, or do you come in from the suburbs for a night out? I can probably come up with a suggestion or two on places to go by yourself.

Edited March 3, 2012 by crosswordfiend

[Mme. Chaucer]

How can Canada be considered the smarter of the two? They don't even have a space agency and have they landed a man on the moon? No.

 

Yeah!

 

Wait.

 

I don't get it.

 

I guess this means our OP is unlikely to be dating an astronaut?

[FitChick]

So if FrustratedStandards is neither Canadian nor American, what is she? British? South African? Dutch? Scandinavian?

[FrustratedStandards]

So if FrustratedStandards is neither Canadian nor American, what is she? British? South African? Dutch? Scandinavian?

 

Italian.

 

[FrustratedStandards]

How can Canada be considered the smarter of the two? They don't even have a space agency and have they landed a man on the moon? No.

 

If Canada isn't the smarter of the two, then why does America have the reputation of being the dumbest country in the world?

 

I'm just wondering. If what you say is true, then your reputation strongly disagrees.

[futuremom]

Besides, it all depends on what/who you want AFTER the approach.

If you're looking for a fling? Walk up to a guy and say "I think you're sexy, and am I am in to casual sex." SIMPLEST. THING. EVER.

On the other hand, if you're looking for something more...what are you doing at a bar? Nothing healthy is going to get started there. Go to places where other people are also doing things you like that is completely unrelated to two adult human beings colliding their genitals together. Like reading? Hang out in a library or bookstore near your favorite section. A cute guy/girl walks up, picks out something you know (not necessarily like, arguing with someone is a better way to hold their attention than mindlessly agreeing) walk up to them and maybe reference a common in-joke among fans ("You! Shall! Not! Pass!") Depending on the joke, this can be creepy, so be careful with it (see above example...only some can pull it off) or maybe bring up a controversial issue or main theme of the book or hey try "Have you read that yet? It's a personal favorite of mine."

Now look! Conversation! This will lead to better things, I promise, because relationships that come from friendships first are going to work SO MUCH BETTER! And it's easier, less rejection (for those who fear it) and you have a more solid foundation as a couple. Plus? If he's a freak/crazy/cocky ass you know BEFORE you committed to a date/sex/two-hour movie.

AND the more specific you can get the better--are you really into anime games NOT involving disney characters? Well, er, good on you () And if you can find a physical group of people who share that interest, you've already culled the people who will be weirded out by that and will be less liking to call the cops on you for your collection of porcelain figurines of underage girls.

Bottom line: do you like who you are? If your answer is yes, then be who you are as enthusiastically and loudly as possible, then after a while, look around. Those who are still there? The ones who like what you like? They have a better chance of lasting than the accountant who can accessorize and who REALLY wants to tell you about how he used to be on swim team and it's like whatever but you know he's totally strong and do you want to go back to his place? It's only a block away.

[Oxy Moronovich]

So if FrustratedStandards is neither Canadian nor American, what is she? British? South African? Dutch? Scandinavian?

Attention Whore.

[Fondue]

Just like women can smell a man whom only is after sex from a mile way, men have a bull**** detector. We know when a woman is full of herself, entitled, etc.

 

This stuff is unattractive. If you give off that vibe, you won't get the desired attention.

 

In your previous thread, you were upset at not being approached. People gave you hints, you used them, and apparently have been successful in receiving that approach.

 

Your problem now is keeping the man's attention. Appearently you didn't strike up mcuh interest from them, so they didn't wnat to contact you further.

 

It seems like you feel entitled to a drink. If I ever sense that in a woman, I just leave it right there. Nothing good can come of it. Entitlement is the worst quality in people.

 

The common link between your unsuccessful and men is you, not the men. I hate to say it like it is, but that's exactly what it is.

[FrustratedStandards]

I don't feel entitled to anything. F*ck man. Men think that buying a woman a drink means she feels entitled to one?

 

And believe me, there are thousands of women who complain about this. I'm just the only one frustrated enough to say it straight up in an anonymous online forum. You won't even believe how many private messages I get of women saying "I know you're being attacked, but trust me, I get it."

 

Now i'm starting to see what's wrong with men these days. It's called being a gentleman. All they hear is $$$$$ "why should I spend money" when its about the principle.

 

Geez.

[manup]

If Canada isn't the smarter of the two, then why does America have the reputation of being the dumbest country in the world?

 

I'm just wondering. If what you say is true, then your reputation strongly disagrees.

 

You're kind of right, America is known for having poor public schools, but we're also known for having the best colleges.

[manup]

I don't feel entitled to anything. F*ck man. Men think that buying a woman a drink means she feels entitled to one?

 

And believe me, there are thousands of women who complain about this. I'm just the only one frustrated enough to say it straight up in an anonymous online forum. You won't even believe how many private messages I get of women saying "I know you're being attacked, but trust me, I get it."

 

Now i'm starting to see what's wrong with men these days. It's called being a gentleman. All they hear is $$$$$ "why should I spend money" when its about the principle.

 

Geez.

Feminism killed chivalry.

You are entitled because you expect to smile and automatically attract men.

[Fondue]

Ok.

Later in the night, after dancing my ass off, another group of 3 men in suits approached after (again) I had to smile 3-4 times before the dummies got the point, and even then they only introduced themselves. They were next to us at the bar for another hour, and never even offered to buy us a drink (we were buying the entire time ourselves).

 

Men really are pussies and I think it has to do with the men in the West. I don't hear my friends in europe complaining that they don't get approached. They have men on a waiting list for gods sake.

 

The first bolded line either did not come out as you intended, or you're just saying it like it is-- you feel entitled to a drink simply for being around those men. You even point out that you were buy were buying for yourselves the entire time.

 

If this isn't entitlement, I do not know what it is.

 

Furthermore, the second bolded part makes it seem like you're simply expecting men to be at your feet and "have a waiting list." Not only does this scream entitlement, but this also adds another message: You want to have be reassured that you're a valued prize. You want that attention, it's validating for you.

 

This whole validation bit just adds to the bull**** detector. We see through that. If a woman is trying this hard to feel like a prize, it's just not worth it. She's more likely to be an uptight, princess-y attitude bitch.

 

There was another female poster that wrote she goes out with her friends all the time and gets approached. She specifically mentioned how her outings are natural and are simply a great time with her friends. Men pick up on this. If this is GENUINE, men will appreciate that. There is so much subconscious things that go on that we simply don't even notice but process regardless. Being natural is something people can't just fake. I think you are trying hard to get that specific romantic attention that it is clouding your overall appeal. The sooner you get rid of this, the sooner you will have a man.

[FrustratedStandards]

Interesting article.

 

A woman travels to europe and compares the men. This is my point exactly.

 

TheSoko.com - European vs. North American Men: No Contest?

 

"It’s also unfair to expect that someone here act exactly like a European man; we’re not raised the same way. Our cultures and values are different. Besides, if all our North American guys start acting like Europeans, what will be the point of going over there?"

[Woggle]

What on earth makes anybody think that they are entitled to this kind of treatment from complete strangers? Most of the time when I am out even when I was single I just want to have fun with my friends instead of risking rejection from a woman who gets offended because I was breathing the same air as her and having it ruin my night. Buy your own drinks.

[Kamille]

I'm in Toronto right now.

 

You're frustrated with guys in Toronto?! Where do you go out that guys don't approach? I suggest hanging out in Little Italy, WQW or the King and Bathurst area if you really need a fix of approaches.

[FrustratedStandards]

You're frustrated with guys in Toronto?! Where do you go out that guys don't approach? I suggest hanging out in Little Italy, WQW or the King and Bathurst area if you really need a fix of approaches.

 

Italian men are cocky and full of themselves, but you're right, they do approach you. And they're hot Thanks for the suggestion

 

I've been to Bathurst and King very often. It's actually my favorite part of town That's actually where I went a couple nights ago and didn't get approached. They are tall, good looking and in business suits, but it's all a facade.

[Oxy Moronovich]

Interesting article.

 

A woman travels to europe and compares the men. This is my point exactly.

 

TheSoko.com - European vs. North American Men: No Contest?

 

"It’s also unfair to expect that someone here act exactly like a European man; we’re not raised the same way. Our cultures and values are different. Besides, if all our North American guys start acting like Europeans, what will be the point of going over there?"

Bleh. I only skimmed through the article but was already rolling my eyes. Why do people compare Europe with U.S. and Canada? Europe is not one small, homogenous nation. It is a large continent with diverse people. Why does this need to be stated? Only in 3 European countries do men approach women more than in U.S. and Canada. I've heard American women complaining that German, Dutch, Scandinavian, and other northern Europeans approach them less.

 

People lose credibility when they compare U.S. and Canada with an entire continent of over 1 billion people. The chick in the article only mentions her experiences in France and somehow thinks it's ok to use one country to represent an ENTIRE CONTINENT. WTF?

 

Like I said, French women are reputed to be cold and unfriendly. French men only go after American and British women because they are easy compared to French women. Not because they are desireable.

 

Will people stop comparing an entire continent (Europe) to one country (the U.S.)? It's idiotic.

[FrustratedStandards]

We compare to show why women on this side of the world are often unhappy and complaining. And we compare to try to explain why.

 

Apparently it doesn't do much. I guess it is idiotic

 

I mean, if an entire CONTINENT is capable of doing this these things... then my GOODNESS why are we comparing it to ONE country that can't?

[Woggle]

Do you feel that women themselves have played any role in the death of chivalry?

[FrustratedStandards]

Do you feel that women themselves have played any role in the death of chivalry?

 

Of course they have! All this feminism crap only rendered them complaining that "it's a mans world" and they can't get promoted cuz they're a woman.

 

Then they get upset when a man doesn't wanna marry her cuz she doesn't know how to boil an egg or give affection to her man because "i'm a strong independent woman".

 

The only good thing that came of it was equal rights. It ruined the entire dating world (for some reason only on this continent and no where else in the world).

[mesmerized]

Bleh. I only skimmed through the article but was already rolling my eyes. Why do people compare Europe with U.S. and Canada? Europe is not one small, homogenous nation. It is a large continent with diverse people. Why does this need to be stated? Only in 3 European countries do men approach women more than in U.S. and Canada. I've heard American women complaining that German, Dutch, Scandinavian, and other northern Europeans approach them less.

 

People lose credibility when they compare U.S. and Canada with an entire continent of over 1 billion people. The chick in the article only mentions her experiences in France and somehow thinks it's ok to use one country to represent an ENTIRE CONTINENT. WTF?

 

Like I said, French women are reputed to be cold and unfriendly. French men only go after American and British women because they are easy compared to French women. Not because they are desireable.

 

Will people stop comparing an entire continent (Europe) to one country (the U.S.)? It's idiotic.

 

You're missing the point. The point is, location does make a difference. I truly find it harder to Canada to meet people than I did elsewhere. But being in countries where men approach a lot also has its own disadvantages because you may get approached by men you don't like very often.

[Woggle]

Go and read a British website and you will see it is not just a problem here.

 

The problem is that it turned into a manhating movement and men have gotten sick of being told how useless we are and how much women don't need us. Most rational people have no issue with mutual respect and equality between the genders but when men here how unneeded and unwanted we are constantly it doesn't inspire chivalrous feelings.