setsenia Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) I'm not talking about the abortion clinic staff. I'm talking about guys/girls who in their past had to get an abortion or let their partner get an abortion. (Not in rape contexts) I mean in, oh i didn't use a condom context. Why don't people ask this question along with sexual history, STDs? Isn't if someone got an abortion also affect their beliefs? I feel like Plan B is okay, but an full out abortion? Even though I am liberal and a strong supporter of women movements, I can't help but judge women and their male partners who got abortions. I feel like they are very loose and playing dangerous, sad games. The Plan B pill is often mistaken as an abortion pill, but it is not the abortion pill. Plan B is supposed to prevent pregnancy within 72 hours of unprotected sex and is ineffective afterwards if a woman is already pregnant. I think when dating someone, their history of abortions is personal until you get really serious. But a person should not be judged on that fact alone, especially if they were very young, raped and so on. Edited February 27, 2012 by setsenia
Ursa Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 College educated women with wealthy backgrounds accidentally get pregnant too, decide they are not ready or able to raise a child alone, and have abortions. Married women who already have the highest number of children they can handle and support emotionally and financially also accidentally get pregnant and have abortions. Are they all immoral, sad, and loose? Or is that just the poor, uneducated women? Is it possible that sometimes accidents happen to people who simply believe that building a better trajectory for their own lives holds precedence over a cluster of cells, even if that cluster contains a blueprint of potential humanity? If a poor, uneducated woman gives birth to a baby she can't afford, doesn't want, is emotionally ill-equipped for or who she will struggle to support, does that act of giving birth make her more or less sad/loose? It's always good to ask ourselves questions, when we find these little niggling prejudice worms within our psyches. 4
Feelin Frisky Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yes I would. I would prefer not to know about such things though since I had no part in it whatsoever. My ex-fiance told me in a night of intimate conversation that she had had an abortion as a teen. Oh joy. What am I supposed to do with that? (rhetorical question for which I do not want an answer) I'm pro-choice all the way but it's a sad thing I don't take cavalierly.
Author Chubbi Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) College educated women with wealthy backgrounds accidentally get pregnant too, decide they are not ready or able to raise a child alone, and have abortions. Married women who already have the highest number of children they can handle and support emotionally and financially also accidentally get pregnant and have abortions. Are they all immoral, sad, and loose? Or is that just the poor, uneducated women? Is it possible that sometimes accidents happen to people who simply believe that building a better trajectory for their own lives holds precedence over a cluster of cells, even if that cluster contains a blueprint of potential humanity? If a poor, uneducated woman gives birth to a baby she can't afford, doesn't want, is emotionally ill-equipped for or who she will struggle to support, does that act of giving birth make her more or less sad/loose? It's always good to ask ourselves questions, when we find these little niggling prejudice worms within our psyches. What are you talking about? Please point to where I said poor = loose women. I said all women and their male partners who get abortions play loose and dangerous games. You guys were the ones who concluded for some reason unknown to me, that because I work at pro bono clinic + I judge women who have abortions= I only judge poor women who have abortions. LOL. GOOD THING I'M THE ONE WHO'S A LAWYER HERE LOL Very ironic that you are the one making a inference about the types of clients I have. I have never said that. In fact, I was going to respond and say many of the women the clinic can get are college student women under a lot of pressure. So please save your lecture, hun. And don't try a case in front of a circuit court judge. They will rip you apart. Edited February 27, 2012 by Chubbi
Author Chubbi Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) WTF Chubbi? You are "very liberal" and a "strong supporter" of womens rights, you apparently work with poor, uneducated, single women who get pregant... yet you think women who've had an abortion are "sad and loose" :confused: Are you for real? Anyway. Yes, I'd absolutely date someone who'd had a partner who had an abortion. I would never ask, though, and be shocked if I was asked that about myself. Again, I never described my clientele as exclusively uneducated. I never said described the women at all: I said young or desperately trying to please. Where are you guys getting poor and uneducated? Some people are just jealous and want something to pick at me over for my beliefs. Maybe you need to work on your own prejudices. Trust me: many college-educated young women find themselves in a place where they will need pro bono work. So, where do you get off? These young women are looking for their options and asking around. They are in debt to their ears so they won't go to a real attorney or whoever. Wow, can you believe this board? Not only have I been accused of being ignorant now I'm accused of being prejudicial towards poor and uneducated women.??? Edited February 27, 2012 by Chubbi
Negative Nancy Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I've never had an abortion and I don't think I could ever go thru with it. Fortunately I never had to make a decision like that because I'm not retarded and know how to use BC properly. In my belief there is no such thing as accidental pregnancy, people either didn't care enough to be careful or they they didn't know how to use BC properly. The sad thing is just that innocent babies have to suffer and die for the parents' stupid mistakes. The only exception is rape, of course.
Author Chubbi Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 Sometimes you have to realize your own inferences, or you'll never make it in a top tier law school. You cannot infer that because someone does pro bono work that means their clients are poor and uneducated. Hypocrites on this board.
sigurpol Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Because to some degree, it isn't any of my business. It doesn't concern me. If its ever any of my business, its when that person wants to talk to me about it. Even then I wouldn't be judgmental. It isn't as if I'll catch some "abortion disease" if the person doesn't give me a heads up.
Negative Nancy Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 This is true. I tend to hold men responsible though because about 80% of the time, they are the culprits. I have to admit in my heart of hearts I do believe men in general, not all of them, but men as a species are just more evil than women are, and tend to be the masterminds and then wiggle their way out of responsibility by some type of assumptions they call logic and science. I agree with this. Men talk women into not using any contraception by telling them stuff like this 1) he told me he didn't want to wear a condom 2) he told me he would pull out and that would be fine 3) he told me if I loved him I wouldn't do this for him 3) he keeps pressuring me to get rid of the baby and so on and so forth. and then either disappear or tell the woman to get rid of the embryo. Sick and disgusting, this lack of responsibility, but women are to blame as well because they shouldn't have spread their legs for such men in the first place. I'm really glad I never had to be in such a situation because most likely I would be a single mother now, judging by how many men would just disappear and not deal with the responsibility.
ffw Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I could date her. What happened shouldn't be a reason to judge her today. As long as its in the past & stay there. Then you wonder why so many women can't be truly honest with their men when such men can't rise to the task & be adults. Immaturity is one of the reasons why so many men turn away from great women & settle for less. If it's bothering you, then move along. I agree with this. Men talk women into not using any contraception by telling them stuff like this Why I am not suprised with your reply?
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