Notice a lot of women want to mention that they have their MASTERS DEGREE

[LexiB]

MBA's in particular can be practically retarded.

 

:laugh:

 

Thanks for this.

[sweetjasmine]

Ok well that makes sense. I've just never met someone who got a Masters degree in psychology or political science or some social science/humanities degree for free, which is usually what a lot of people these days have, unfortunately.

 

It is rare to get funding for a terminal MA in the humanities, but one (only one ) friend of mine has done it.

 

My MA was free because I was in a PhD program, and humanities PhD programs are almost always fully funded. You're never ever supposed to go into a program without funding. My offer included 2 years of fellowship with a stipend and 3 years of Teaching Assistantships with a salary a bit higher than the stipend amount. They also gave me two small summer stipends for extra coursework, travel, or research. Health insurance and full tuition remission were included for all five years. This is pretty standard, and schools offer different amounts in the stipends and summer funding to lure students away from other places.

 

Few of the students I met were wealthy. Most in my program were from middle class families.

 

TheFinalWord - since I can't multiquot on this thing... I agree that there is a graduate school culture but would say that's mostly for PhD students, who consider themselves lifers in academe.

[Engadget]

I am one of those people with a higher degree, so to hear people call those with terminal or Masters degrees snobbish, sheltered, etc, in a general sense DOES bother me. Your post had the assumption that people with degrees were somehow snotty, and my point was that comes from nowhere in this thread and only from your own personal bias and that YOUR attitude towards higher education is snobbish, ironically.

 

It's snobbish towards those who are snobbish, not those who are not. So if you're not snobbish about it, then you shouldn't care.

 

College is a joke anyway, people who act as if they're intelligent because they went make me laugh. I can run mental circles around so many college graduates, they essentially showed up and regurgitated what they were told. I'm not counting science/math in this, just everything else.

[zengirl]

It's snobbish towards those who are snobbish, not those who are not. So if you're not snobbish about it, then you shouldn't care.

 

College is a joke anyway, people who act as if they're intelligent because they went make me laugh. I can run mental circles around so many college graduates, they essentially showed up and regurgitated what they were told. I'm not counting science/math in this, just everything else.

 

My point was that what you were saying -- and the last paragraph of what you say here -- is snobbish towards ALL academics, not towards snobs in particular.

[Engadget]

My point was that what you were saying -- and the last paragraph of what you say here -- is snobbish towards ALL academics, not towards snobs in particular.

 

"who act as if"

 

You're missing parts of what I say apparently.

 

If you walk around extolling the virtues of how great being in mass debt for a piece of paper are, or say your degree makes you better than someone else, you're who I'm talking about.

 

My girlfriend was top of her class from an Ivy League school, she knows the degree is worthless. She makes $.50 more an hour than me and constantly says I'm smarter than she is.

 

So if you say "College = Intelligence" then you're wrong, and who I'm talking about.

[zengirl]

"who act as if"

 

You're missing parts of what I say apparently.

 

If you walk around extolling the virtues of how great being in mass debt for a piece of paper are, or say your degree makes you better than someone else, you're who I'm talking about.

 

My girlfriend was top of her class from an Ivy League school, she knows the degree is worthless. She makes $.50 more an hour than me and constantly says I'm smarter than she is.

 

So if you say "College = Intelligence" then you're wrong, and who I'm talking about.

 

Saying the degree is worthless is snobbery!

 

No one said that everyone who went to college is more intelligent than everyone who didn't, but it's not worthless to go. Maybe it's not useful to you, but your angry attitude towards education is no more healthy than someone looking down on productive people who chose other routes.

 

It's the whole tone and attitude of your statements that are arrogant, snobbish, and gross. And, as many have said, not everyone who gets an advanced degree is in debt. It's much more common to go in debt for a Bachelors than a PhD. (Not sure how Masters falls in there.)

 

I don't think about whether I'm "better" than anyone else, honestly, but I do think it's gross to disparage other people's accomplishments just because you didn't take the same path.

[RedRobin]

I went to a public school. I hate Ivy League snobs!

 

just kidding... but I did get the same jobs as alot of them. I hope they or their parents felt it paid off... me? debt free all the way baby!

 

Maybe we can start a thread about how debt free people look down on people who have debt. Dammit! Why isn't there a pull down menu on OkC for debt level! Even better would be a pull down for credit score. Now THAT is something I'd pay money for. MUCH more worthwhile than income level, if you ask me.

 

It would look something like the drinking/smoking pull down...

 

Debt

 

- Never

- Rarely

- Socially

- Daily

 

:)

[Star Gazer]

Saying the degree is worthless is snobbery!

 

No one said that everyone who went to college is more intelligent than everyone who didn't, but it's not worthless to go. Maybe it's not useful to you, but your angry attitude towards education is no more healthy than someone looking down on productive people who chose other routes.

 

It's the whole tone and attitude of your statements that are arrogant, snobbish, and gross. And, as many have said, not everyone who gets an advanced degree is in debt. It's much more common to go in debt for a Bachelors than a PhD. (Not sure how Masters falls in there.)

 

I don't think about whether I'm "better" than anyone else, honestly, but I do think it's gross to disparage other people's accomplishments just because you didn't take the same path.

 

:::::Applause!!!:::::

[Engadget]

Saying the degree is worthless is snobbery!

 

No one said that everyone who went to college is more intelligent than everyone who didn't, but it's not worthless to go. Maybe it's not useful to you, but your angry attitude towards education is no more healthy than someone looking down on productive people who chose other routes.

 

It's the whole tone and attitude of your statements that are arrogant, snobbish, and gross. And, as many have said, not everyone who gets an advanced degree is in debt. It's much more common to go in debt for a Bachelors than a PhD. (Not sure how Masters falls in there.)

 

I don't think about whether I'm "better" than anyone else, honestly, but I do think it's gross to disparage other people's accomplishments just because you didn't take the same path.

 

This is pointless, you're missing things I'm saying. She knows her own degree is worthless, and it is to her. It hasn't helped her in the slightest. Same with my friend who has a Masters, making crap for money.

 

Please, stop inventing arguments that don't exist.

[kaylan]

This is pointless, you're missing things I'm saying. She knows her own degree is worthless, and it is to her. It hasn't helped her in the slightest. Same with my friend who has a Masters, making crap for money.

 

Please, stop inventing arguments that don't exist.

How about this argument.

 

Those with post grad degrees make much more income on average over their life time than those without post grad degrees.

 

How about this as well. Certain fields require a Masters at minimum to get a decent job, even if the salary isnt the best. Social work and psychology are two of those fields.

[Engadget]

How about this argument.

 

Those with post grad degrees make much more income on average over their life time than those without post grad degrees.

 

How about this as well. Certain fields require a Masters at minimum to get a decent job, even if the salary isnt the best. Social work and psychology are two of those fields.

 

Great, another person inventing arguments. When did I ever say otherwise?

 

Further, requiring degrees for jobs is something I dislike unless it's 100% necessary.

[kaylan]

Great, another person inventing arguments. When did I ever say otherwise?

 

Further, requiring degrees for jobs is something I dislike unless it's 100% necessary.

Requiring degrees for jobs makes sense. Most decent paying jobs need some type of training past high school.

 

You keep talking about your friend whos making not so good money at the moment. Well many people in this economy arent making great money. Just because your friend isnt doing the best now does not mean she wont be doing great in the future.

 

A college degree sets someone up better to succeed. More so if they get a post grad degree. Thems the facts. If it wasnt true than those with postgraduate degrees wouldnt be making more on average than the rest of us.

 

I have just a bachelors at the moment, but Im not silly enough to think a Masters would be useless to me. I just graduated last year and am planning to get my Masters before 30.

[aj22one]

Great, another person inventing arguments. When did I ever say otherwise?

 

Further, requiring degrees for jobs is something I dislike unless it's 100% necessary.

 

It's never necessary. College degrees are almost completely just employers socializing the costs of training new employees. Prior to the modern era employers trained people. Now? That never happens.

 

I have a small business (just me), when I start hiring people don't you think if I could I'd love to have someone else pay for me to have access to a bunch of quality employees? Thank you public universities.

[Engadget]

Requiring degrees for jobs makes sense. Most decent paying jobs need some type of training past high school.

 

You keep talking about your friend whos making not so good money at the moment. Well many people in this economy arent making great money. Just because your friend isnt doing the best now does not mean she wont be doing great in the future.

 

A college degree sets someone up better to succeed. More so if they get a post grad degree. Thems the facts. If it wasnt true than those with postgraduate degrees wouldnt be making more on average than the rest of us.

 

I have just a bachelors at the moment, but Im not silly enough to think a Masters would be useless to me. I just graduated last year and am planning to get my Masters before 30.

 

Once again, you and the other person are essentially arguing against invented strawmen. If I wanted to be petty I could point out basic debate skills in reference to degrees, but I won't.

 

I also have a degree, and I know you can make more money. So you're basically railing against a phantom enemy here, just as she was.

 

We done here?

[zengirl]

This is pointless, you're missing things I'm saying. She knows her own degree is worthless, and it is to her. It hasn't helped her in the slightest. Same with my friend who has a Masters, making crap for money.

 

Please, stop inventing arguments that don't exist.

 

I'm not "inventing" anything. Just saying what I think of your elitist attitude towards remaining uneducated. Yes, you are elitist about NOT being educated. You view it as "better," you view education as worthless and foolish, and you're quite angry about it, apparently. What's more you have a college degree and view it as a bad thing, so you're kind of self-hating about it. Bummer.

 

I'm sorry your friend and your GF both find the degrees they earned to be worthless; that's sad. I'm always sorry when anyone feels part of their life or something they've worked on was for naught. That is not how the vast majority of people I've met --- or statistics show -- view their education.

 

As to making money---well, to me, money isn't an indicator of how 'good' you are or what the 'worth' of your life is, really anyway. I make good money (much more in my field because of my advanced degree, actually---a person with a Bachelors working in nonprofits is lucky to clear 1/2 what I do---and it gives me a lot more flexibility in my field, too, though neither of those is the real reason I got it or am going for my PhD---I just wanted to learn more from people who are very, very smart about my field). But money isn't everything to me, so arguments with money rarely are where my mind goes. Instead, I value education for the skills it has provided me; could I have attained those skills in other ways? Sure, perhaps, in some cases (honestly, some of my skills, no, but that's because in order to work in my field, you need levels of education). But formal education is the one that worked best for me.

 

Further, requiring degrees for jobs is something I dislike unless it's 100% necessary.

 

Why would you hire someone who hasn't had formal academic training if you could hire a candidate who is otherwise equal and has? College is the training of today. Granted, there will be some cases where a candidate might be a right fit for a job without a degree (not at most levels in my field---if you want to work in Education, you had better be educated!) and already know how to do the work provided or just seem better suited towards a particular company or industry, but college doesn't just provide book-learning today: it provides opportunities to see the various trades you might be interested in through internships, externships, site visits, projects, experts from the field who come into the classroom, and other hands-on methods. The idea that education keeps you from the real world was just never my experience with college, Masters, or the PhD level.

 

*Note: I don't mean to say ALL training should be done through college. I'm a huge proponent of vocational programs coming back, and actually they are making a comeback, which I think is great. But every trade has its own path.

 

ETA: And you're the one that started railing and ranting against some imagined enemy! Education didn't do anything to you---but you came in here to take it down for some reason. *shrug*

Edited February 28, 2012 by zengirl

[Engadget]

I'm not "inventing" anything. Just saying what I think of your elitist attitude towards remaining uneducated. Yes, you are elitist about NOT being educated. You view it as "better," you view education as worthless and foolish, and you're quite angry about it, apparently. What's more you have a college degree and view it as a bad thing, so you're kind of self-hating about it. Bummer.

 

I'm sorry your friend and your GF both find the degrees they earned to be worthless; that's sad. I'm always sorry when anyone feels part of their life or something they've worked on was for naught. That is not how the vast majority of people I've met --- or statistics show -- view their education.

 

As to making money---well, to me, money isn't an indicator of how 'good' you are or what the 'worth' of your life is, really anyway. I make good money (much more in my field because of my advanced degree, actually---a person with a Bachelors working in nonprofits is lucky to clear 1/2 what I do---and it gives me a lot more flexibility in my field, too, though neither of those is the real reason I got it or am going for my PhD---I just wanted to learn more from people who are very, very smart about my field). But money isn't everything to me, so arguments with money rarely are where my mind goes. Instead, I value education for the skills it has provided me; could I have attained those skills in other ways? Sure, perhaps, in some cases (honestly, some of my skills, no, but that's because in order to work in my field, you need levels of education). But formal education is the one that worked best for me.

 

 

 

Why would you hire someone who hasn't had formal academic training if you could hire a candidate who is otherwise equal and has? College is the training of today. Granted, there will be some cases where a candidate might be a right fit for a job without a degree (not at most levels in my field---if you want to work in Education, you had better be educated!) and already know how to do the work provided or just seem better suited towards a particular company or industry, but college doesn't just provide book-learning today: it provides opportunities to see the various trades you might be interested in through internships, externships, site visits, projects, experts from the field who come into the classroom, and other hands-on methods. The idea that education keeps you from the real world was just never my experience with college, Masters, or the PhD level.

 

ETA: And you're the one that started railing and ranting against some imagined enemy! Education didn't do anything to you---but you came in here to take it down for some reason. *shrug*

 

I'm ignoring the rest, but I was pointing out an issue of those with degrees who act snobby about it. You got defensive and attacked me and invented arguments.

 

Further, why would you hire someone with a 4 year degree over someone with 10 years experience and no degree?

 

That's it, I'm done.

[zengirl]

I'm ignoring the rest, but I was pointing out an issue of those with degrees who act snobby about it. You got defensive and attacked me and invented arguments.

 

Further, why would you hire someone with a 4 year degree over someone with 10 years experience and no degree?

 

That's it, I'm done.

 

1. You came into this thread on the attack. I didn't 'attack' you---I attacked the attack, which is known as defending. Many of your posts are based upon the premise that education is 'snobby,' 'worthless,' and overall bad in some way, and I think that is an offensive statement---equally as offensive as stating people are somehow bad for taking another path, at least. I tried to point out the irony.

 

2. Hence why I said 'otherwise equal' candidate. Most of the time, you won't be getting 10 years experience and no degree for jobs that require degrees.

[kaylan]

Once again, you and the other person are essentially arguing against invented strawmen. If I wanted to be petty I could point out basic debate skills in reference to degrees, but I won't.

 

I also have a degree, and I know you can make more money. So you're basically railing against a phantom enemy here, just as she was.

 

We done here?

Strawman? BS bro. This is what happened here.

 

1. You came in here calling advanced degrees worthless and used your friend as an example. A chick whos not making bookoo bucks at the moment.

 

2. I then told you that her current state of affairs is not permanent and in the future she could easily making more money than she would be with just an bachelors. This based on the fact that advanced degree holders make more cash over their lifetime than other folks.

 

How was I not directly responding to your post. Crying strawman is a weak move.

[zengirl]

Re: strawmen and Engadget:

 

Don't act like your first post or subsequent posts were all, "Education is fine, but I don't like snobs" because it wasn't---that's not what you've said at all. I don't like snobs either, which is why I don't like your posts in this thread! Snobbery sucks, I agree.

[aj22one]

I'm ignoring the rest, but I was pointing out an issue of those with degrees who act snobby about it. You got defensive and attacked me and invented arguments.

 

Further, why would you hire someone with a 4 year degree over someone with 10 years experience and no degree?

 

That's it, I'm done.

 

I'll answer since I might have to actually do hiring sooner than later. If it's experience in things I need getting done then absolutely I'd rather have the experienced than the degree applicant.

 

As I said earlier, college education is almost entirely employers socializing the cost of employee training. They don't want to foot the bill so they put it on the backs of taxpayers.

[Kamille]

(Spoof Post)

Grant application, Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council

 

 

Title of application:Apples and Oranges: Struggles around the value of post-graduate degrees in the dating market.

 

This study looks at the value of post-graduate education on the dating market in times of economic crisis. The basic premise of the study is that people who have a post-graduate degree will claim it is important and defend the value of said degree, this, based on their own trajectories and experiences. Likewise, people without a post-graduate degrees will defend their chances in the market economy, and their value as romantic partners, by stating that post-graduate degrees aren't the only path to success. They are likely to argue that not having a post-graduate isn't an indicator of lacking ability, as proven by their own trajectories and experiences. In essence, my hypothesis is that, whether in dating or on the job market, people will defend the value of their own trajectory.

 

End spoof.

[EasyHeart]

Feisty zengirl <3

 

We really should try to piss her off more often.

Edited February 28, 2012 by EasyHeart

[OliveOyl]

As someone who got a degree (admittedly only bachelor's) from an Ivy League school, I concur that education in today's society is overrated. It's mainly a socialization method used to try to create hierarchies and weed people in or out. Motivated people are perfectly capable of learning what they need for many jobs and careers they are interested in without formal education. Obviously I'm not talking about all types of education (for example, med school). But *most* people I know are working in employment that has nothing to do with the degrees they received.

[Engadget]

Strawman? BS bro. This is what happened here.

 

1. You came in here calling advanced degrees worthless and used your friend as an example. A chick whos not making bookoo bucks at the moment.

 

2. I then told you that her current state of affairs is not permanent and in the future she could easily making more money than she would be with just an bachelors. This based on the fact that advanced degree holders make more cash over their lifetime than other folks.

 

How was I not directly responding to your post. Crying strawman is a weak move.

 

1. She says it's worthless, you misread.

 

2. That's the strawman, I never once said anything about making more money so you brought it up as a point to argue, despite you being the only one talking about it.

 

See?

[jerbear]

(Spoof Post)

Grant application, Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council

 

 

Title of application:Apples and Oranges: Struggles around the value of post-graduate degrees in the dating market.

...

End spoof.

I love it!

 

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