Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Yes I talk about looks a lot, and that's because I believe that women are very superficial and they are rejecting me based on my looks alone. First off I completely disagree, and secondly even if you believe it saying it, is going to make the women here want to help you less. They see you as superficial, because you talk about finding a hot girl all the time, as if that's the only thing that matters. I don't think I have ever seen you say you want to find a happy, smart, funny, outgoing women etc etc.. Rejecting someone because you don't find them physically attractive doesn't make you superficial. Rejecting someone because it's your only criteria for rejection does.
fortyninethousand322 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 First off I completely disagree, and secondly even if you believe it saying it, is going to make the women here want to help you less. They see you as superficial, because you talk about finding a hot girl all the time, as if that's the only thing that matters. I don't think I have ever seen you say you want to find a happy, smart, funny, outgoing women etc etc.. Rejecting someone because you don't find them physically attractive doesn't make you superficial. Rejecting someone because it's your only criteria for rejection does. I believe SD has talked about women who liked video games and such so he seems to like more nerdy girls. I don't mean to interfere with the whole "gang up on Somedude" parade though so carry on...
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 First off I completely disagree, and secondly even if you believe it saying it, is going to make the women here want to help you less. So me thinking that women are superficial is going to make them want to help me less? Why, are they afraid of the truth? hey see you as superficial, because you talk about finding a hot girl all the time, as if that's the only thing that matters. I don't think I have ever seen you say you want to find a happy, smart, funny, outgoing women etc etc..Reread my posts again. Then point out where I said I want a hot girl. Rejecting someone because you don't find them physically attractive doesn't make you superficial. I'm saying their superficial because of what they consider physically attractive is only a very small window. If a girl would go out with a guy, but then turn him down if he was 5" shorter, that is being superficial. Rejecting someone because it's your only criteria for rejection does.That's something that everybody alive has done. If a 400lb woman came on to you, you'd let her?
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I believe SD has talked about women who liked video games and such so he seems to like more nerdy girls. I don't mean to interfere with the whole "gang up on Somedude" parade though so carry on... I have read that as well, but playing video games doesn't make someone a good match. Ever seen the match.com soccer guy commercial? He get's "ganged up on", because some times complete talks out of his posterior.
ThaWholigan Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Reread my posts again. Then point out where I said I want a hot girl. I'm saying their superficial because of what they consider physically attractive is only a very small window. Physical attractiveness doesn't always count for everything you know. Women I have found are willing to forgo this. And besides, it's not incredibly difficult for a man to be physically attractive in all honesty.
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I have read that as well, but playing video games doesn't make someone a good match. A girl liking video games is only one aspect. I'm much more interested in how we get along and how compatible are sense of humor is. Physical attractiveness doesn't always count for everything you know. Women I have found are willing to forgo this. And besides, it's not incredibly difficult for a man to be physically attractive in all honesty. From women I have seen, looks are the primary reason why a woman will decide to date a guy or not. The only exception is if the guy is loaded, or he has something else about him that is way above average. Talent, sense of humor, power. Ordinary guys need not apply.
cerridwen Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 The only exception is if the guy is loaded, or he has something else about him that is way above average. Talent, sense of humor, power. Ordinary guys need not apply. Why is it so wrong to be attracted to the exceptional when it comes to things like personality, character, and drive?
ThaWholigan Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 A girl liking video games is only one aspect. I'm much more interested in how we get along and how compatible are sense of humor is. From women I have seen, looks are the primary reason why a woman will decide to date a guy or not. The only exception is if the guy is loaded, or he has something else about him that is way above average. Talent, sense of humor, power. Ordinary guys need not apply. Then why be ordinary?? :S You act like talent, sense of humor, power, attractiveness, character etc cannot be developed at all. That's worrying, I despair when I encounter people who think like that.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 So me thinking that women are superficial is going to make them want to help me less? Why, are they afraid of the truth? When was the last time you helped someone right after they insulted you? As for the second part, wow, just wow.... Reread my posts again. Then point out where I said I want a hot girl. My memory and that of pretty much everyone is longer than one thread. You have over 5,000 posts to your name, and a lot of people on LS have seen a trend in them. If a girl would go out with a guy, but then turn him down if he was 5" shorter, that is being superficial. that's called being a bit**, if him being 5" shorter was a problem she should have never gone out with him in the first place. That's something that everybody alive has done. If a 400lb woman came on to you, you'd let her? No, I would not let her. Physical attraction is a lot of peoples first rejection criteria, that doesn't mean its the only criteria. It's my first, but it's not the most important one. It's the first because it's the easiest to determine. I can tell If i'm attracted to her from 50 feet away, I don't even have to interact with her. as I said before you get grief from people here, because it seems like hotness is your only criteria for rejection, not because it's your first. do you understand?
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Why is it so wrong to be attracted to the exceptional when it comes to things like personality, character, and drive? There isn't. But if that's your baseline and nothing else lower is acceptable, then there is the problem. Then why be ordinary?? :S You act like talent, sense of humor, power, attractiveness, character etc cannot be developed at all. That's worrying, I despair when I encounter people who think like that. Sure something can be improved, but for many people, all the effort in the world won't make a difference.
cerridwen Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 There isn't. But if that's your baseline and nothing else lower is acceptable, then there is the problem. . A problem? For who exactly?
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I'm much more interested in how we get along and how compatible are sense of humor is. then you should talk about it a lot more, because you talk about hotness all the time. From women I have seen, looks are the primary reason why a woman will decide to date a guy or not. All that really means is the guy made it past the easiest criteria to determine. Figuring out other things about a person can take a lot longer, trust me....
ThaWholigan Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 There isn't. But if that's your baseline and nothing else lower is acceptable, then there is the problem. Sure something can be improved, but for many people, all the effort in the world won't make a difference. That's because their is no belief behind their effort. It's like a football player with no ability or sense of positioning - but he "works hard". Never tries to improve his passing, timing his runs, shooting, tackling, tactical awareness - nothing. Does lots of running around but doesn't really affect play, then gets mad when he is on the fringes of the team. I think you don't really believe that you can improve to become the man you want to be, not only that but I also think you don't really want to put in the effort to get the woman you want i.e. you really need to be talking to different girls more and flirting/asking them out. None of this "I have to talk to them to get to know them for months before I start to like them". You're handicapping yourself. I did this once, I'll never do it again. Flirt off the bat.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 None of this "I have to talk to them to get to know them for months before I start to like them". You're handicapping yourself. I did this once, I'll never do it again. Flirt off the bat. ^what he said. spend some time talking with them (hours not months), and then ask them out. Dating is about determining if someone is relationship material.
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I think you don't really believe that you can improve to become the man you want to be, I'm a realist. I know I can improve. But I also know that I'm never going to be famous, or super rich or buff. No matter how hard I try, I'll never be exceptional. not only that but I also think you don't really want to put in the effort to get the woman you want i.e. The problem with that, is that there is not actual thing I can do that's going to get me a girl. The things people have said to do only have a slight roundabout way of working. Basically it's "Do X and you might get lucky" If there was something that I could do, that would actually lead to me getting a girl I'd do it. Even asking out a ton of girls isn't going to work. All it's doing is supposedly increasing my odds of success, simply through sheer numbers.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 The things people have said to do only have a slight roundabout way of working. Basically it's "Do X and you might get lucky" If there was something that I could do, that would actually lead to me getting a girl I'd do it. there is no silver bullet only pennies, and as the saying goes pennies add up. when you start doing all the little things people here have told you that's when you will have success. 1. be nicer to women 2. be a happier person 3. be a more confident person 4. go out and be more social 5. talk to more women 6. ask out more women etc etc. there is no silver bullet...
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 then you should talk about it a lot more, because you talk about hotness all the time. The only time I ever mention hotness is when I say I don't need a hot girl! And the only reason I even say that is because people like you keep saying that I'm only into hot girls. It's a never ending cycle. 1. be nicer to women I'm always nice to women. Even the ugly fat ones that I secretly think are disgusting. Hell I've often been called too nice... 2. be a happier person 3. be a more confident person Those aren't things that I can actually do different. One doesn't just decide to be happier. 4. go out and be more social Yeah I need to be more social. 5. talk to more women 6. ask out more women I've heard that already plenty of times.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 The only time I ever mention hotness is when I say I don't need a hot girl! And the only reason I even say that is because people like you keep saying that I'm only into hot girls. It's a never ending cycle. I'm not just referring to the use of the word hot. You don't think it's the least bit relevant that many people here harp on you about it (and trolls don't count)? I'm always nice to women. Even the ugly fat ones that I secretly think are disgusting. Hell I've often been called too nice... Really???? Earlier tonight you insulted every woman on the planet by calling them all superficial... Those aren't things that I can actually do different. One doesn't just decide to be happier. cause & effect... They are effects. You need to determine what will cause them. No one on this forum is going to be able to tell you what will make you happier and more confident. A therapist or a psychologist would be able to help you. Even they can't tell you, they can only guide you and act as a sounding board. I know you have said getting a GF will make you happy/confident, but it doesn't work that way. If you want a quality GF you need to be happy and confident before you get her, it's one of the many things that will attract her to you.
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I'm not just referring to the use of the word hot. You don't think it's the least bit relevant that many people here harp on you about it (and trolls don't count)? I don't have a clue why anybody harps on me about it when I haven't even said anything. It's the same thing as somebody saying, "Somedude doesn't like Chinese people." Then another, "What he doesn't like Chinese people, lets get him." Never mind the fact that I didn't say anything like that at all. Really???? Earlier tonight you insulted every woman on the planet by calling them all superficial... Based on the criteria that I was interpreting from zengirl, every person on the plant is superficial. They are effects. You need to determine what will cause them. No one on this forum is going to be able to tell you what will make you happier and more confident. A therapist or a psychologist would be able to help you. Even they can't tell you, they can only guide you and act as a sounding board. I know you have said getting a GF will make you happy/confident, but it doesn't work that way. If you want a quality GF you need to be happy and confident before you get her, it's one of the many things that will attract her to you. Guess I'm stuck then. Or maybe fate will smile on me.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I don't have a clue why anybody harps on me about it when I haven't even said anything. Your biggest problem is an accumulation of miss steps. As I said before peoples memories are long and they remember what you have said in other threads. Over time they come to a conclusion of who they think you are, and what your about. Each miss steps makes the hole that much deeper.
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Your biggest problem is an accumulation of miss steps. As I said before peoples memories are long and they remember what you have said in other threads. Over time they come to a conclusion of who they think you are, and what your about. Each miss steps makes the hole that much deeper. The thing is. I have never said I need a hot girl. I just haven't. And memories are easily mistaken. Yes my ideal woman is hot, but it's hardly a requirement. And I'd gladly take a 6 that I get along and have fun with over a 10 who doesn't have anything in common with me.
NXS Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 When I read threads like this about what men need to be/do/say/act/dress/behave/have etc etc etc it just annoys the hell out of me. It's a constant never ending list that just goes around and around in circles. I'm not even sure if it's worth all the effort or what we get in return. It seems like 100 units of effort for about 5 units of return. I don't see anythinng like these lists for women, in fact most women just have to show up and not be fat. It's laughable reading some of the male posters here telling other posters how they need to improve in order to get a woman like its some kind of high stakes competition. Perhaps I'm just too jaded from the whole thing but I don't feel like dating or relationships anymore. A female colleague said to me recently that she won't go near any man who wears a V neck sweater or tshirt no matter how attractive he is. I just rolled my eyes in response, this is how absurd some women are, even after all the doing/being/behaving/improving etc etc etc if you don't wear the right clothes or meet some other absurd criteria you haven't a chance. The whole game is rigged and I just don't think it's worth it. I actually do get a lot of attention from women and know how to talk to them, make them laugh and use sexual inuendos but the problem is I just don't want to date them or have relationships with them. I am still open that there may be someone out there that's worth it but she's going to have to put some effort in and prove herself to me. 1
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 The thing is. I have never said I need a hot girl. I just haven't. And memories are easily mistaken. All your comments are in writing, and the forum has a search. Yes my ideal woman is hot, but it's hardly a requirement. And I'd gladly take a 6 that I get along and have fun with over a 10 who doesn't have anything in common with me. Everyone's ideal is hot or a 10 etc, so it's not really worth mentioning. Expand on the second sentence, what do you mean by getting along with? I'm not being a smart ass this is something you should be able to talk about at nausea.
somedude81 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 All your comments are in writing, and the forum has a search. I'm not stopping you. Everyone's ideal is hot or a 10 etc, so it's not really worth mentioning. Expand on the second sentence, what do you mean by getting along with? I'm not being a smart ass this is something you should be able to talk about at nausea. And I can, but it's not really going to help me. Right now, the only thing on my mind is that I felt I got along with very well and was super compatible with the last girl I was in love with and she turned me down and now refuses to talk to me. And I've talked about her on this forum hundreds of times.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 I'm not stopping you. It's not a threat, I meant people can read a post and then be like didn't he say... and then go search and verify. Right now, the only thing on my mind is that I felt I got along with very well and was super compatible with the last girl I was in love with and she turned me down and now refuses to talk to me. introspection is important, why did you think you where so compatible?
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