Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Well let's examine the odds for that a moment, four possible permutations: Young man, young woman, low odds. Old man, young woman, low odds. Young man, old woman, medium odds (50% male contribution removed). Old man, old woman, high odds of defective kids. So yeah, if I stick with young women, it's all good. That really is all I needed to know. Don't take biology so personally. 123, I think it's you that is taking biology personally. No one is saying men are crap. Just pointing out the false belief that men have no complications to their own fertility due to age. The truth is, young women AND men are the best biological partners with no other factors being considered. 30 isn't some magic number pulled out of no where. This is actually the age when men's sperm begins it's decline. That's biology. So if we are going to talk about the best age for people to reproduce, it's simply in their youth for both members. Mesmerized did a great job in pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Look, at the end of the day, none of us that's going to be affected by this choice. It's a person's own kid. So you either want to be realistic about biology or you don't. Women are pretty realistic about their bodies and that as they age, things change. I see less realism though from men especially when it come to feritlity which I suspect is for a lot of reasons. I think men tie alot of their worth in their own fertility and I think the medical community hasn't done a great job of doing as much research and information on male fertility as they have female. Which has misrepresented the importance of male fertility. However, that's changing. All you need to do is read up on it. Age matters in men and women when it comes to having a baby. The reality is, that older men are not the best biological partners anymore then older women are. At the end of the day, it's your baby that has the potential to pay. Please don't ignore your own fertility because of being misinformed. It's a serious issue and one men really need to start paying attention to instead of holding tight onto the whole, "I can date younger women because my fertility doesn't matter" stunt. Now, I have a few friends that are starting to /have had babies. The doctors have all been very open about the fertility of both partners. Most of my friends are in their late 20s to 30s. Many of them have had expereinces with the doctors not only talkign about their partners fertility but also the fertility of the males and how their age also plays a role in the game. It's been interesting to see because I think it's surprised some of my female friends how the doctors have also been tapped into the fertility of their male partners despite not being in their 40s yet.
silvermercy Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 @Silvermercy: Since when is the late 20's-early 30's "older men"? Now if there are men 35+ saying this, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. As a 30 year old man myself, I see nothing wrong with wanting to date 24-30 year old women for "clock" reasons. I'm not ready for marriage and children yet but will be in a few years so I have to keep age into consideration. The term "older men" is relative. I'm 29 myself. So nothing wrong to date younger women but only if you DON'T do it supposedly for biological reasons. Because, then, I think this is just an excuse to date younger women. Especially if the man is 35+. Many 35+ women are perfectly capable of having healthy children and quite easily. Recent research has shown that many 30-35+ men can have more trouble with infertility than women. In fact, perhaps 35+ women should go for younger men just as much as 35+ men used to do until now. Source: Myself (I'm a molecular biologist/geneticist)
123321 Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 123, I think it's you that is taking biology personally. ... I think men tie alot of their worth in their own fertility ... If that were true I doubt I'd have had a vasectomy 20 years ago.
mesmerized Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Well let's examine the odds for that a moment, four possible permutations: Young man, young woman, low odds. Old man, young woman, low odds. Young man, old woman, medium odds (50% male contribution removed). Old man, old woman, high odds of defective kids. So yeah, if I stick with young women, it's all good. That really is all I needed to know. Don't take biology so personally. Low odds with old men and young women only when it comes to down syndrome, not autism and other disorders or even fertility odds in general. And apparently, you are the one who is taking it personally since you ignore whatever I write to you that you don't like. Your ignorance is unbelievable. You didn't read (or comprehend) any of the things I wrote that denied your claims. wow, this is another reason I hate posting on forums. Wasting my time trying to find sources and educate ignorant/unintelligent people. Edited February 21, 2012 by mesmerized
123321 Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Low odds with old men and young women only when it comes to down syndrome, not autism and other disorders ... The reason we are just discovering these things is because the overall incidence is relatively low and the increase is relatively mild. For instance, instead of a rather large increase of 1250% odds resulting in a 1% risk of Downs within 10 years or so, for autism we see a 59% increase in odds for a condition that occurs about 0.2% of the time. "in the journal Autism Research, the researchers analyzed almost five million births in California during the 1990s, and 12,159 cases of autism diagnosed in those children — a sample large enough to examine how the risk of autism was affected when one parent was a specific age and the other was the same age or considerably older or younger. Previous research found that the risk of autism grew with the age of the father. The new study suggested that when the father was over 40 and the mother under 30, the increased risk was especially pronounced — 59 percent greater than for younger men."
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