ThaWholigan Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 We can all go round and round and round with this forever, as some obviously intend to do. The truth is: average, ugly, old, disfigured, disabled, pretty, hot, obese, and all other kinds of people can be found in relationships. Some of them are relationships that are happy and loving. We all know it. Sure, some have advantages when it comes to attracting other people. So what. People like to go around and round about it . If not to engage in continuous debate then to reinforce negative views and bolster their complaints about the unfairness of life. I think that some posters in this thread have acquitted themselves well in how they've explained their position though, it's been a bit better than in recent threads.
verhrzn Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 It's ironic that there's a sister thread to this one (and verhrzn's ongoing threads) from the opposite perspective - a woman who thinks she is gorgeous and has every desirable attribute, but still is not approached by men. So there's a woman with a supposedly-good attitude of herself (thinks she's pretty) and is a positive person, still not getting approached. Why? And several people commented that maybe she wasn't as gorgeous as she thinks she is. So yet again, it comes down "If you're hot and approachable, guys will approach. If you're not hot... good luck."
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 I firmly believe that a bitter, sour, jealous, conceited, self-pitying, self absorbed, or any combination of the above, attitude can project a long way and decimate "attractiveness" even for beautiful people.
verhrzn Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Give it a rest, V. Right back at ya, unless I missed the part about how I'm no longer allowed to express opinions in threads? True but there are some women in this thread complaining that men NEVER come up to them. If no one ever does it just means no one finds you attractive. Body language can't be foul one hundred percent of the time. These women then in turn get bitter and then start talking about porn or no one being able to live up to Megan Fox etc. Their bitterness drives me insane even though I'm a woman too. Well wouldn't you be bitter if no one found you attractive?? I mean, isn't a little empathy in order, for how tough it is going through the world being unattractive?
Badsingularity Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 So yet again, it comes down "If you're hot and approachable, guys will approach. If you're not hot... good luck." I guess you didn't see my post where I said I would take an average looking girl with a good personality over a hot girl with a crap personality.
Fondue Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 So there's a woman with a supposedly-good attitude of herself (thinks she's pretty) and is a positive person, still not getting approached. Why? And several people commented that maybe she wasn't as gorgeous as she thinks she is. So yet again, it comes down "If you're hot and approachable, guys will approach. If you're not hot... good luck." Find better ways of gathering attention to yourself. Maybe I recommend one of the following: A) Obtain a shirt that reads: "I'm easy" on the front. B) When making eye contact with a man, motion the universal "blowjob sign" with your mouth. This will surely garner interest. C) Wear a hooker's uniform and roam the streets. You will not only meet a man, you may even have him pay for the "date!" With Fondue's Tools for Dating Success, you'll find that special attention you are looking for!
ThaWholigan Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 True but there are some women in this thread complaining that men NEVER come up to them. If no one ever does it just means no one finds you attractive. Body language can't be foul one hundred percent of the time. These women then in turn get bitter and then start talking about porn or no one being able to live up to Megan Fox etc. Their bitterness drives me insane even though I'm a woman too. I think that if you think nobody finds you attractive, you will project unattractive behavior without even knowing it. I understand you, although I don't get driven insane by it, rather it makes me a little sad. It only annoys me when the blame gets placed upon men solely. I firmly believe that a bitter, sour, jealous, conceited, self-pitying, self absorbed, or any combination of the above, attitude can project a long way and decimate "attractiveness" even for beautiful people. Agreed 100%. Whenever I am free of such emotions, I am always seen in a more attractive light by people. It comes from being completely self-aware that you are displaying these behaviors in a subtle way subconsciously. This is what I have had to do, I'm getting better and I'm becoming much more positive in this area.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Well wouldn't you be bitter if no one found you attractive?? I mean, isn't a little empathy in order, for how tough it is going through the world being unattractive? I'm sure that just physically you are more attractive than I am, since though I look good, I'm over 50 years old. In the past 3 years I fell in love and got married. I assure you, it did not happen on the back of my "hotness."
verhrzn Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 I guess you didn't see my post where I said I would take an average looking girl with a good personality over a hot girl with a crap personality. Another poster already pointed out you have no way of knowing someone's personality based on how they look. And it doesn't negate the point that a guy would still go for the hot girl first. You're just ruling out the hot girl cause you can magically read minds and know she has a bad personality; if she didn't, you'd go for her. So, the average girl is only winning out because the hot girl didn't pass muster.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Quit with the "bad personality" crap. Anyone who has had a relationship of any depth knows that it's not based on objective "goodness" or "badness" of personality. It's based on compatibility.
Badsingularity Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 You're just ruling out the hot girl cause you can magically read minds and know she has a bad personality I have been told I was magical before. So, the average girl is only winning out because the hot girl didn't pass muster. So what? If the average girl wins first. She wins! She gets the guy that the hot girl couldn't.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Everyone can make themselves hotter. If you spent as much time watching youtube makeup tutorials and posting on makeup forums/fashion ones etc it can really improve your looks. Smoky eyes, lots of gloss, bronze yourself up with some natural looking bronzer... Contour your face if you don't like your features; it can create the illusion of a smaller nose and more defined cheekbones (no need for surgery). Work out 4-5 times a week. Dress sexy.... skinny jeans, heels, sexy tops etc The problems that drive people in the opposite direction from v are not going to be solved by makeup tricks and the gym, or even massive cosmetic surgery. If 10 X more guys pay attention to her, that's 10 X more fodder for her to complain about not being their "first choice."
counterman Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 The best you can do is make sure you're fit and healthy and put effort into your appearance (hair, make-up) and what you wear. Guys won't always approach the hottest girl. If a girl is having fun, smiling and laughing and if she makes eye contact with me (even if she doesn't), I would approach her over, say, the hot girl who's not smiling and looks uninviting. But most of the time, I approach the girl I find most attractive. I've approached average-looking girls before and, surprisingly, most of them were very insecure about their appearance and wondered why I approached her over the other hot girls around. This was a real turn off. I didn't need anymore encouragement to approach the girls I find more attractive.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 There are always people more gorgeous than even the very gorgeous. Also, youthful beauty is fleeting. Women who rely on their looks are almost always hurt by doing so. Depending on the perks of beauty is unwise and unhealthy whether you are one of the "gifted" or one of the wannabes.
Badsingularity Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Quit with the "bad personality" crap. Anyone who has had a relationship of any depth knows that it's not based on objective "goodness" or "badness" of personality. It's based on compatibility. Compatibilty is always a good thing, but some people do have bad personalitys. My definition of a someone with a bad personality is someone who has several of these negative traits...rude,dumb,inconsiderate,obnoxiuos,selfish,delusional,mean,negative, overly passive aggresive, loud, never looks at themselves as the possible problem, truly shallow, etc.
xxoo Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 But again, that means that the only hope for lesser attractive women is that the hot girls have awful personalities. If a hot woman has a great personality, why would a guy NOT choose her? Why would a guy then choose the lesser-attractive-equally-good-personality option? You are assuming that the "hot" women want him!
A O Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Of course; it is the entire package. Having a great body but an ugly face does not constitute "hot" in either gender by any means. I don't take it for granted that "hot" equals the entire (physical) package. Beauty, has more to do with the face, to me, while hot is mostly to do with the body. As mentioned before, a beautiful woman can look hot, a hot woman may not necessarily look beautiful, but - that doesn't mean she's ugly either. It just means her body is more attractive than her face. Clearly, the term 'hot' has taken on a whole new different meaning in modern times to what I grew up with. .
Lonely Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 It just means her body is more attractive than her face. hence the term butterface.
A O Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 hence the term butterface. Not a term I've seen before.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 So what? If the average girl wins first. She wins! She gets the guy that the hot girl couldn't. It seems based on many of her posts, That's not good enough for V. She feels she needs to be the trophy. The only thing wrong with V, is that she won't admit she has a problem that's not in anyway related to her physical appearance. It's also pretty obvious that her problems are because she got treated like crap by some d-bags, who should probably be castrated. She needs to: 1. get over the fact that she is not the "hottest" woman in the room 2. learn how to weed out the d-bag guys as soon as possible (the guys who enter relationships with women they are not attracted to) 3. learn to not care what they d-bags say or do, and realize they don't represent men as a sex 4. stop projecting all the negativity, and neediness (The trophy thing is pretty GD needy)
somedude81 Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Not a term I've seen before. She has a hot body, but her face... Hence, butterface. Also, a fat girl looks like she ate a bunch of butter too
counterman Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 She has a hot body, but her face... Hence, butterface. Also, a fat girl looks like she ate a bunch of butter too I've never heard of that term too... but have approached a few girls like that. That's a lesson not to check girls out from behind and make an approach base of that. One time, I approached her, said hi, when she turned around, I complimented her then said I had to run off. Another time, a girl caught be checking her out and when she turned around and smiled at me, I looked away. I didn't approach her.
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